I’ll admit that I’ve used the term myself, so I recognize that I need to be more mindful of how/when I do. That said, terms like “a lot” are highly subjective. For instance, 200 women may seem like “a lot” to one person, but in the context of a 10,000 sex workers, that number might seem minimal. From another perspective, someone might even describe it as “a few.” Ultimately, it all depends on individual perception and lived experience.
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With that in mind, I do think the comment came across as rather harsh, particularly the use of the phrase “master manipulators.” That term is far from vague and carries a very strong negative connotation.  
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Personally, I can’t recall any instance where a provider has manipulated me, or even attempted to do so, so by definition, I wouldn’t say any have “mastered” it. lol. That said, of course I would assume SOME women manipulate as they are human.
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At the end of the day, the consumer holds the power to make a choice. If someone simply says, “No thanks,” then manipulation doesn’t stand a chance.

And that folks, is a perfect example of verbal masturbation by the King of bullshit, Robert the Respectful!

Any great salesperson is a manipulator. They know how to play on your feelings and emotions to get the most out of you. Escorts are in sales. If master manipulator offends people then so be it. Frankly, I think it’s a compliment.

I just found it odd that instead of just telling the OP to step back and logically evaluate the situation,  it was as though he was dismissed from taking any responsibility because "a lot of providers are master manipulators". This provider very well may have been manipulating him. Or the OP may be a complete dolt with no ability to understand the subtle cues humans give off that the average person can pick up on. To be clear I do not know the OP or the provider in question, but I do think there are definitely other ways to view this situation than the initial comment that was posted.

A great salesperson isn't someone who pressures, tricks, or coerces. They are not a "manipulator" as again, that has a negative connotation. Instead, they are a master of persuasion, which is quite different.

He completely shed his responsibility and placed it solely on the provider. The best defense against anyone manipulating you (plural) is to pull back, reassess, and have the courage of one's convictions to simply say "no."

No, calling someone a master manipulator is not a compliment. Good grief. Next time you are at nice restaurant and the waiter asks you if you want dessert, let me know how it goes when you ask them why they are trying to manipulate you. Manipulation creates a victim, not a satisfied client/customer.

I'm guessing Scarlett was starting intently at her screen waiting like a little girl waiting for lost puppy to come home for your validation.  Right on cue as normal Robert, you spineless cuck.  

You're starting to remind me of the Looney Toons characters, Spike and Chester. You're the chihuahua and the providers are the bulldogs. "Yea sure Miss Scarlet, sure sure everything you say is swell waddaya think? Anything you say Miss Scarlet 'cause we're pals right?"

Actually I was waiting for yours. Right on cue as usual, Snafu!! You never disappoint.    

In the end, great salespeople care more about the long term relationship rather than just closing that specific deal. They want you to have a good experience, even if you don’t buy right away. When people feel respected, and are treated openly and honestly, they tend to come back to that salesperson, time and time again, and will refer family and friends their way.  
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Look at it this way...would you be more or less willing to buy from that same salesperson in the future if you felt manipulated afterwards? Of course not. Sales people who are truly exceptional leave you feeling great about what you just purchased.

All you did was echo the boards dimwit in Snafucked as that doesn't take any effort, or logic, at all. Debate the point on the merits of the argument, not whether who is making it or who I am agreeing with re: it.

I'm fairly sure these guys know more then they are letting on. It's not a normal conversation when their goal is to get under your skin. I'm surprised you give them as much attention as you do. The troll level of posts on TER boards is about as high as it gets.

For some, it's far easier to shout "bullshit!", toss out a lazy insult, and run away like a 5th grader than to stand up like a man and engage with actual reasoning. That way, they can bypass the inconvenient task of forming a coherent counterargument...or sentence. Lol.  
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Tbh, I do enjoy sparring with the faux tough guys of the board now and then. It used to be a fun challenge, but lately, it feels more like Kramer dominating the dojo i.e. it’s less intellectual sparring and more like child abuse at this point. lol

We can agree to disagree Robert. Have a nice day

That’s fine. You and I will not agree on this subject. Have a nice day.

There's nothing to debate. Scarlet is making her points clearly and elegantly. You aren't making any points or adding anything to the conversation. You're just parroting everything Scarlet is saying almost word for word. If I wanted to "debate," I would just reply to Scarlet. I'm not going to treat your lame attempts at ass kissing as a serious conversation. I'm making fun of your white-knighting simp ass because your behavior is unbecoming and unnecessary. Anyway, 50 Cent had a song but I changed some lyrics to make it about you.
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I don't know what you heard about me
But bitches get a lot of dollars out of me
No Cadillac, no perms, you can see
That I'm a motherfuckin' S-I-M-P

well then bobby, maybe there's some there, there.  Smoke and I don't agree on much but we both can see you for what you are.    

Just curious bobby, why do you believe he shed his responsibility and placed it on the provider?  What leads you to that conclusion?  How do you assess his reasoning for how he chose to deal with the manipulation?

You have gone from sharing insightful, thought provoking comments in the past to now responding with cartoons and rapper quotes. It’s clear now that this whole scene no longer excites you, as you nit pick every bit of it, and it’s honestly hard to watch. You have become so disillusioned, so jaded, so negative...it’s quite obvious you are not enjoying this anymore.
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I genuinely thought you were above this kind of thing, but now you’re sucking up to trolls like Snafucked and that crowd? It really shows how far you have really fallen.  
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Cynicism has completely overtaken you, and it’s a shame. Let me know when you’re ready to step back into meaningful discussion and thoughtful debate, instead of sinking into the ad hominem, childish antics of those who have no interest in substantive discourse. Until then, I will consider you to be just another CDL.

But you do you...as you always do.

Unfounded ad hominem attacks. But what would you expect from a shrill Islamophobic Zionist who fantasizes about Gazan civilians getting bombed out of their refugee tents…

How about you tell us where in this thread did he or anyone say anything that was even remotely ageist, racist, homophobic, transphobic and Jew hating?  

And got you all wound up to throw your hat in the ring between 420 and Robert? Was it that you have thing against Robert or was it that he mentioned CDL and you, being CKS had to defend CDL..
I'm curious but ya know, you are getting a "reputation" here...And you really don't have to

He's a very easily triggered partisan hack and has brought vendettas here from another board.
I thought that was frowned upon?

“Unfounded”? That’s rich, coming from one of the most consistent bigots on TER. Let’s not pretend this is your first time either. Are you aware that 420 sees TS? I’d love to hear you explain your history of trashing THAT community to his face but we know that wont happen as you are too much of a coward.
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And let’s not forget that someone right here in this branch has been on the receiving end of your ageist garbage on dozens and dozens of occasions. Your prejudice isn’t subtle any longer as it’s now a well established pattern.
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The problem isn’t that my comments are unfounded. The problem is your bigotry is now SO blatant that no one can take a step in any direction without tripping over one of your many evil, prejudiced laced screeds.

Dude you just don't get it. Your shtick is annoying and people are getting tired of it. I'm making fun of you and I'm enjoying it. So sorry the cartoons and fake rap lyrics are "hard to watch." God forbid anyone has fun around here. This is a serious site that only exists for defending providers and validating their opinions. I now realize that making a joke at your expense is "sucking up to trolls" and we're only allowed to suck up to providers around here. I should have known better!  
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So like, just get over yourself. What else do you expect? If you want to use this board to ingratiate yourself  with a bunch of providers that's fine. Just don't expect the rest of us to take you seriously.

I highlight my seniority and experience "across multiple forums?" What a load of horse shit. Or, more appropriately, ChicKenShit. Not to mention, this site is intended for information sharing, so if I do that my age then becomes a legitimate issue? No. ChicKenShit just won't own his ageism, in which he indulges constantly. Fine. I enjoy pointing out his hypocrisy. Not to mention "veering off topic" is also bullshit, so you're playing Board Cop again.
I also call bullshit on your general defense on racism. So please drop your sanctimonious, pious, hypocritical attempt to, once again, portray yourself as some sort of reasonable poster.

Exactly what I expected. You don’t have the backbone to stand on your own, so you invoke “the rest of us” like some sad little rallying cry because deep down, you know your points can’t stand without your need to bring in others to defend your insecurity.  
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And look who shows up to answer the call? Board bullies, open bigots, and TS haters. You’re not even part of their crew, and yet they’re the ones rushing to defend you. That should give you pause. If those are the people lining up behind you, maybe it’s time to ask yourself what kind of message you’re sending out?
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And "fun"? YOU, of all people, are going to bring up FUN? Puh-lease! You’re this board’s permanent raincloud, dripping bitterness in every thread, acting like the lifestyle is some burden you’re heroically enduring.  
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You talk tough, try to play the badass, but do you ever share a good experience? Ever show even a flicker of joy here? Of course not. Why? Because some provider, somewhere, bruised your massive, overly inflated ego and you’ve been nursing that grudge like a wounded teenager ever since. Get over it already and stop milking it. Misery may love company, but it’s clearly your only real companion. lol.
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And the kicker? Just weeks ago, you were the one saying I seemed like one of the only guys actually enjoying myself here. Now let's look at YOU, shall we? You are a bitter, joyless, crybaby that seeks out the tiniest micro sins about any woman here. You are neck deep in negativity and hypocrisy while I am LOVING this lifestyle and enjoying it to its fullest.  
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Congrats! You’ve earned your royal title as the board’s reigning hypocrite and its biggest complainer. Wear that crown proudly, your grace. You’ve more than earned it. Long may you whine! Long may you whine! hahahahahahahaha!

You have made MANY transphobic posts. Do you deny one that JUST got pulled when YOU made the point that the TS community was more dangerous than any other? You are going to lie about it bc it was removed????
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Man up. Own it. Tell the trans community that you think they are "the other" here. I DARE you. Or go to the trans board here on TER and tell them. I am sure they would love to listen to all your bigoted, transphobic thoughts you fucking loser.  

Which, first of all, makes him a troll.  He can come up with as many lame rationalizations as to why HIS form of prejudice is OK, but it still is what it is. And that's par for the course on P&R and I accept it. But it's NOT when it's done here. It's also stupid because there are a lot of older guys on this site and he's disrespecting them as well.
His blatant rationalizations simply won't wash. If one kind of prejudice is OK with him, obviously others are as well, despite his hollow denials.
Will he "Man up. Own it?"

You seem to be having a lot of fun today! Paragraph after paragraph going on and on about who knows what. I thought you were going to ignore me until I was ready for a serious conversation? All I did was post a cartoon and some rap lyrics. Here you are, still crying about it three days later, hollering like a hit dog. Who has the bruised ego Robert?
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Anyway, you've been having a bunch of meltdowns lately. I think you're stressed out from sympin' a bit too hard. I know sympin' ain't easy. I'm linking this cool youtube video as a tribute to you and all of your hard work. Hopefully some tunes will help you chill out.

Yep, I will continue to "simp" my way into the pants of super hot women and you will continue to bask in the sunshine that is CDLs affection. lol.
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In fact, I’m looking forward to my date this coming week while you’ll be hunched over your keyboard like an aggrieved, bitter hall monitor, scouring week old provider posts in a desperate hunt for some imagined offense or micro aggression. lol.
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You enjoy your week doing so...I KNOW I will enjoy mine.

I've said something similar in the past and other people have pointed it out. Its an act he puts on because he wants providers to think he is a very good boy. I wouldn't have a problem with it for the most part but sometimes his bullshit just goes a bit too far. At best it is just annoying, at worst it involves him doling out terrible advice.

tried to hit him with your purse....awesome line and so fitting  for bobby the brown nose.  Great closing line Follow!!

Where are the reviews of all these 'hot" women you can't fuck without paying??

to see who has the most warped views and gives the worst advice on all things P4P, Robert or Heshits.  Both of them put up new reviews periodically but don't seem to be learning anything new about this business from those alleged experiences beyond the newbie level  

No wonder you are one of 420s and CDLs besties. I would call you dumb as a rock but I don't want to insult rocks. lol. God you're SO dumb.

If I've ever had an inclination to check out a guy's reviews, it's been on a discussion board and used the link that is available.  I never knew that spineless fucks that hid behind their alias could post a review in the same manner, nor have I ever really cared.   Still doesn't change my mind that you're an ass kissing blowhard that get's off on reading your own blather.  

Only someone deeply steeped in prejudice could draw such a distinction with a straight face. Do you genuinely not see that you're once again rationalizing your own bigotry?
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Frankly, I can’t decide what’s more disturbing, your overt bigotry, or your delusion that it’s somehow acceptable on certain boards but not others. That kind of twisted moral reasoning is both incoherent and dangerous.
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I could ask you to reconsider your racism and antisemitism too, but watching you double down on your ageist rhetoric makes it clear that you are not just prejudiced, you are morally bankrupt. So consumed by hate, you have lost the ability to self reflect. Please, for everyone’s sake, seek professional help.

Reading comprehension certainly isn’t your strong suit. Nicky commented about ageism being inappropriate on THIS forum, and I politely reminded him that it was you, not I, who brought up ageism here, not I.  Nicky further stated that he’s pretty much accepted the fact that he’s going to have to deal with insults on the other forum because insults are the nature of the beast over there. I hope that clears that up for you.

hissy-fit looks like.  Lol

He has mentioned your use of ageist remarks against him on NUMEROUS occasions, as have others and yet you continue to make them. You keep defending your bigotry which is evil but hardly new for you.  
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Also very sad you don't see a difference between petty, grade school insults and openly bigoted remarks. But you having no moral compass whatsoever, I am not the least bit surprised.

He claims not to have used ageist slurs on this board but conveniently ignores his first post about me on this branch. If that’s not full of ageist tripe then nothing is.
He should be shunned.

Its very funny you throw around accusations of ageism. We all know your preferences, you've been pretty transparent about it. What are the odds you would even see a provider that is the same ages as you?  Would you see one older than you? The lack of self awareness is awe inspiring. Another example of Robert saying one thing but doing another. Talk about having no moral compass.

Is this the real you talking, or is this the guy you claim has to post like an ass to protect the REAL you?

I am not making ANY ageist comments about ANYONE. I don't knock guys for seeing older women, I applaud them if that is their desire. I also happen to see women 40+. I have made that very well known.
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The fact you cant see the difference in outlooks makes me realize you are nothing but CDL in nicer clothes, as I no longer see any difference at all. I see you are so upset from me kicking your ass lately, but posts like this from you...you are just making it... so... damn...easy. lol

THIS is your idea of a snappy retort?   You have followed your hissy-fit with a deflection?  Do you not want to talk about your fall into the arms of this chubby provider and then wrote such a glowing review?  If this is your new standard of provider, there will be no chance of any crossover by you and me and the girls we see.  So far, not one word about the substance of my post.  No game left?  You're really not having a very good day, are you?  Lol

That means he can’t fuck younger women?
I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you don’t really mean that.
Even though you actually said it.

Now, I don't think or maybe I'm too naive to notice but as far as CKS spewing ageism here, I never noticed. Put that doesn't mean he isn't an ageist...is that the right term?
What I picked up is that what people post in that other forum is pretty much how they feel. They may try to hide it, their level of tolerance, and prejudices here but things slip every now and then and it makes you say to yourself, "Oh dear, what have we got here"
That "other forum" is really a window to their soul.

You don't have to pressure or coerce anyone to be a manipulator. Not even tricking someone is required to be a manipulator.  

And it has you totally flummoxed I see. So I'll ask again...is this the real you asking or the fraudulent you? See the box I put you in by YOUR own words? You are fucked either way you answer.

This was addressed to RR, of course. He is the one who doesn't understand what manipulation is, that a good manipulator will never let people even know theyre being manipulated.

Thanks for moving the goalposts.
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I don't know if Robert is for or against bigotry. The claim I made was that he was ageist. Its not just that he fucks younger women, it is the way he talks about women. Robert tries very hard to maintain a certain facade but the mask does slip. Its not just that he fucks younger women, it is the way he talks about women. His comments are objectifying and sexist. He also pressures these women into going on OTC lunches with him. Overall his behavior is kind of vile. He recently had an over the top meltdown on a provider because she used the word "mansplain." If that causes him to lose his cool I can only conclude he is emotionally unstable and dangerous as well.

The fool actually thinks ageism is NOT bigotry. Yes, he’s really that dense. lol
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As for the rest of his nonsense, it’s nothing but projection as it's a toxic mix of trauma, jealousy, and bitterness. He’s still haunted by his own past, especially the way things went down with that one girl he fell in love with here. She hurt him badly and now he can’t stand to see someone else having fun or playing with hot women.  
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And just to top it off? He’s clinging to Duh-ran, Snafucked, and CDLiar like they’re some kind of intellectual lifeboat. What more do you need to know about this clown?

under an alias.  Do you see the irony in YOU calling someone else fraudulent?  This is a box you have put yourself in.  How am I fucked?  You think too much of yourself.  If I ignore your question, YOU are fucked, which is what I'm going.  Geez, you're just not very good at this, are you, Bobby.

You seem to be having more comprehension slip ups than usual. Is there a reason for that? Are you feeling unwell? Or maybe it’s something else…

I had posted on the branch but said NOTHING about your ageist slurs. The YOU said:
"Nicky, the poster who makes a point of highlighting his seniority and experience across multiple forums? That Nicky? If you had been paying attention, the only time I ever make light of Nicky’s age is in reply to him veering off topic and throwing an insult my way."
Own it, ChicKie.