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Wash Post moves Ohio from O to toss-up....Read the WSJ numbers
willywonka4u 22 Reviews 188 reads
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1 / 12
salonpas 203 reads
posted
3 / 12

Rasmussen!

Before the 2006 election Karl Rove said that he had the "real" poll numbers and that they showed Republicans winning in a landslide...a few weeks later the Republicans had their asses handed to them in both the House and Senate just like the "fake" poll numbers predicted. Perhaps this is where Rove is getting his "real" numbers from?


Rasmussen Bias

After the 2010 elections, the New York Times statistics wizard, Nate Silver, analyzed the polls produced by various polling organizations, including Rasmussen Reports, which is the house pollster for Fox News. Silver's analysis covered only polls taken during the final three weeks of the campaign and compared them to the actual election results. For polls taken much earlier, say in June, no one knows what the true sentiment of the electorate was, so there is no way to tell if the polls were accurate or not. Also, any pollster deliberately falsifying the results for partisan advantage would be advised to reduce the bias as the election neared. After all, no one can tell if a June poll is accurate but everyone can tell if a poll released the day before the election is accurate.

Silver analyzed 105 polls released by Rasmussen Reports and its subsidiary, Pulse Opinion Research, for Senate and gubernatorial races in numerous states across the country. The bottom line is that on average, Rasmussen's polls were off by 5.8% with a bias of 3.9% in favor of the Republican candidates.

There is much to criticize about Rasmussen's methods. All polls are conducted within a 4-hour window, the person who answers the phone (even a child) is sampled, phones that are not answered are not called back, and much more. All of Rasmussen's polls are done by computer; live interviewers are never used. However, other firms that do robo polling such as SurveyUSA and PPP get much more accurate results with no bias, so the problem is not the robo polling per se.

Just to look at one methodological issue, if no one answers the phone, Rasmussen picks a different random phone number instead of calling back two, three, four or more times as other pollsters do. Why does this matter? Because 20-somethings (who skew Democratic) are often out, whereas 60-somethings (who skew Republican) are often in. By not being persistent in finally getting through to a randomly chosen phone number, the sample is inherently biased towards Republicans because they are easier to reach. This may not have been intentional but it is understandable if you want to finish your survey in 4 hours. Nevertheless, cutting corners in the name of speed and cost don't improve accuracy.

Unlike companies like Strategic Vision, which most likely made up the data (but not very well) and also Research 2000, which probably did as well, no one is suggesting that Rasmussen is making up numbers without actually doing polling. There are many reports of people called by Rasmussen. The problem with Rasmussen is most likely its model of the electorate. Very briefly, if a pollster believes that in a certain state, say, 40% of the voters are Republicans and the actual survey just happens to turn up 35% Republicans, each Republican interviewed will be given a weight of 40/35 to correct for the undersampling of Republicans. All pollsters do this to correct for under- or oversampling by party, gender, age, race, income, and other factors. This is not only legitimate, but necessary with the small samples all the pollsters use. The issue here is whether Rasmussen's model of the electorate has more Republicans in it than in reality there are (not to mention whether this is accidental or deliberate).

The conclusion is that some people do not believe in Rasmussen's polls any more. For these people, we have produced this page, which is generated exactly the same way as the main page and the Senate page, except that first all the Rasmussen polls are temporarily removed from the database. To see if this page is more accurate than the main page and Senate page, please check back on Nov. 7, 2012.
http://electoral-vote.com/evp2012/Info/rasmussen.html

nuguy46 201 reads
posted
4 / 12

guess willy et al are getting the picture...Nov 6 won't be too pretty for them...sorry..you ain't invited to the party either guys.......

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2012/11/01/ohio-moves-back-into-the-toss-up-category-on-fix-electoral-map/?hpid=z2

gatorjimmy 33 Reviews 200 reads
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5 / 12
no_email 3 Reviews 190 reads
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6 / 12
salonpas 185 reads
posted
7 / 12


Mike Allen: "Both sides are nervous, but Republicans are MORE nervous. They don't find it particularly encouraging that Mitt Romney was in Florida yesterday and will be in Virginia today - two states the campaign would love to have put away by now. Is Romney's 'expand-the-map' drive... a sign of confidence, or a Hail Mary frenzy because of trepidation about Ohio? The correct answer: It's mainly an effort to project confidence at a time when Republicans fear a slow-motion reversal of fortune."

"Top Republicans are already hinting that if Romney loses, his people will blame the storm for stalling his momentum. But D.C. GOPers acknowledge that having some of the nation's top auto executives call you out, when you're the business guy born in Michigan, ain't helpful."

if Romney loses, his people will blame the storm for stalling his momentum.
Except for the fact that Romney's momentum stalled two weeks before anybody heard of Superstorm Sandy. Being called out as a pathological liar and getting his ass kicked in two debates didn't help.

But, hey. This campaign has never been dictated to by facts.

salonpas 227 reads
posted
8 / 12

Gov Christie just shoved a thermonuclear device up Mitten's arse. This is exactly what Independents want to see, two intelligent political stars from different parties successfully working together and publicly appreciating each other's efforts. Yet again we have Romney in Florida flip-flopping on his position on FEMA . Romney's position on anything depends on which way the wind is blowing. Just before Sandy hit New Jersey, Romney's position was to shut down FEMA; now he wants to keep it going. Clear case of sanity and insanity, respectively. It would be a disaster for the United States if Romney should ever win the presidential election.

pwilley 59 Reviews 150 reads
posted
9 / 12

Why don't we just forget about the election results.  In fact, lets just forget the damned election.... judging from this board and the news people, the polls already have things judged.  They know who is going to vote, who they vote for, they know how many blacks will turn out to vote, they know how many spanish will support RR, they know who likes who,..... they have already told us who to vote for depending on what channel you watch...

So fuck it, let's just put all the polls in a ticket barrel much like a raffle ticket for a car, and they let's just pick one.  80 percent of what's been posted on this board for the last two months is nothing but "my poll is better than your poll".  Much like my dick is bigger than your dick.

Fact of the matter is that depending on who you want to win, you can find a poll that says exactly that... big fucking deal....

Timbow 221 reads
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11 / 12
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