phil, if you can stomach it, log onto the DailyKos website, and read some of the diatribes against Congresswoman Gifford by those on the extreme far left. In the past, several there have advocated that she be caused harm because she was not 'left' enough for them. She was accused of being too middle of the road, or a blue dog democrat. There's foul shit on the extremists of both sides.

to quote you : "For those of you on the left who are bemoaning the heated rhetoric of the right as a cause of the violence in Arizona"

ONE person on the board used that tactic, which causes you to flip out & attack the left for violent rhetoric. You're morphing into what you're condemning.If I didn't know better, it sounds like you're insecure about the "Tuscon incident" & for some reason has a guilty conscience about it, causing you to "piledrive" the left. Or, to paraphrase Shakespeare, "He doth protest too much"

I'm not affixing any blame to the horrible incident-----Gaby Gifford's would be assassin, has no teaparty ties according to news reports. He's just a deranged paranoid schizo. Until I hear otherwise, I'm not blaming
the TPr's or Sarah Palin or Santa Claus for that matter.

That being said, you should stop your imagined quid pro quo finger pointing at the left--it's getting monotonous & adolescent & you're better than that.

The lack of peace is war and armed violence.

For those of you on the left who are bemoaning the heated rhetoric of the right as a cause of the violence in Arizona, I would just point out the call of Maxine Waters, A UNITED STATES CONGRESSWOMAN, for "No justice, no peace."

http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/individualProfile.asp?indid=1264

This is a call that the left continued to shout.

http://www.art-for-a-change.com/Vallen/vdraw16.htm

over 50 people died when the left made this cry of "No justice, no peace." And there was not one person to say, "I am sorry."

Lefties shouting the slogan attacked the house of a UC chandelor, throwing torches at his home and smashing windows.
http://articles.latimes.com/2009/dec/13/local/la-me-berkeley13-2009dec13

Al Sharpton led rallies of people shouting that slogan and the charming, "Kill the Jew."

And our friend Makwa can't remember anyone using such hateful rhetoric as the Tea Baggers.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Sharpton

Here is an article linking to Dems "targeting" GOP and having district in bull's eyes.  

http://www.verumserum.com/?p=13647

True is it not identical, but as the writer points out, it is splitting hairs. The use of potentially violent language, targets, gun sights, etc.

All that is okay coming from Dems.

How many standards are there. Let me count the ways.

particularly by citing the egregious left "fringe" attacks in your thread; btw, that movie depicting "GWB's fictional assasination" came from Europe, did it not ?

I thought makwa's post was stupid, but your rebuttals to him hurl you down to his level & was unnecessary.

One foolish & partisan post sets off a like- minded response from the other side----it's that type of poisoned debate that kills off intelligent political discussion & that should try to be avoided on this board.

Pri, if a righty did the similar thing as did Makwa you would make a career out of pointing out his hypocrisy, and you would be right for doing so. Why don't you save your outrage for the idiot Makwa instead? There are morons from both sides of the aisle, idiots like Makwa think they only come from one side.

Pri, let me put it this way, how many idiotic statements from the right do you just "give a pass on"? It's hard to let posts just go, not when they reach a certain level of stupid and biased. Makwa's posts certainly shattered that threshold.

Or can we expect you to just sit idly by the next time a right wing idiot makes a similarly ridiculous and inflammatory statement? which I have no doubt will happen in short order.

"I thought makwa's post was stupid". Also, IMO, I thought phil's rebut was "overkill" ( which he is engaging in ANOTHER thread----God---he has worse OCD than me-----didn't think possible------LOL ! )

That's the problem with people who initiate idiotic partisan posts; it's like lighting a match to tumbleweed, igniting stupid "quid pro quo" finger pointing" at each side, denying space to intelligent debate. Should be avoided at all costs, IMO.

Lemme be quite honest: though I  have a great deal of philosophical antipathy to most ( but not all ) factions of the Tea Party & Sarah Palin, I did NOT find them culpable in the awful Tucson tragedy, which is why I find the fingerpointing by many of my leftist brethern ( including Makwa ) to be ill advised & moronic.

Quoting you : "Or can we expect you to just sit idly by the next time a right wing idiot makes a similarly ridiculous and inflammatory statement? which I have no doubt will happen in short order."

Actually, I HAVE been sitting idly by while a certain unnamed egregious offender has been doing just that. I would elaborate further,but said offender hasn't been here for several days, so I will STFU on this matter----I don't wanna repeat JG's mistake in re to a left-wing troll----------LMFAO !














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but does that honestly let you off the hook for the mulitude of posts similar to Phil's over the last several months.

Please don't get this "spiritual virginity" on us, just because you claim to be turning over a new leaf. Time will be the test where it comes to your troll and Tea Party bashing. You have been as guilty as anyone on this board in the past, a few days of good behavior doesnt erase this any more than a few posts written in legible English erases months of troll like behavior from a certain "right wing" nut who shall remain nameless. lmao (I don't want to repeat John's mistake either. lol)

yah-----I lost it late------LMAO ! GaG, in the polarized climate of this board----NO ONE is circumspect & that includes you, bud---- I will say this-----a certain Marquis of Queensbury etiquette should prevail here to prevent total anarchy ( like THAT's worked----LOL ) & hopefully, you, I & others can strive to achieve that.

On unrelated personal note, there's very HOT blonde Vegas provider I'm DYING to fuck--WAS gonna do that earlier this month, but external circumstances have forced me to delay till end of month---. Scottish poet Robert Burns had it right : "Best laid plans, etc, etc"--------LMFAO !

This board is what it is, ocassionally an epidemic of civility breaks out around here, but it is always short lived.

As long as there are idiots like Makwa, spewing their bile, there will be incivility here. I have tried on ocassion (rare ocassions) to be more civil, WTF I even started talking to a certain left wing troll in the interest of keeping the board more civil, but striving and accomplishing are two different things. We'll see how it all works out.

as to your HOT blonde provider, do you really plan things out that far in advance? I have a hard time planning shit like that further out than this afternoon. lol

I have always been bothered by a complete lack of intellectual honesty and the post I am responding to is Exhibit A.  The post that really drove me bongos here was Makwa's.  It wasn't only because he blamed the Tea Party.  Others have done that, without stirring this reacion.

It is the fact that he just can't remember anything in his life where rhetoric could have been used to stir violence.   COME ON.

Either someone is only 14 months old or has an intentonally selective memory.  Was it Hillary who said, "willfully blind?"  (Ironically, if I recall, she said that to someone who said the surge would work.)

Also, you misunderstand why I said all this.  I am not attacking the left in recounting all the violent action they could have been accused of provoking.  Much of it I would defend.  For example, I totally agree there is a First Amendment right to make a fictional movie about assasinating the president, even if he does have a striking resemblance to Bush.

I am not attacking Sharpton, the movie, Waters, or any of the others.  The reason I do that is someone says, "there is nothing like this from the left."  (Paraphrase, but a legit reading of implication.)

To rebut that, one has to give examples of that very thing.  When someone says something never happened to give four or five examples is not "pile driving" the left.  It is rebutting someone's wilful blindness.

Yes, I am using examples from the left.  But how else do I rebut the feigned outrage directed at the right?

And I think the outrage is totally posturing, but how else can I demonstrate that I think the outrage is fake by showing "when your side does it..."

Yes, I refer to the fringe on the left, but he is referring to the fringe on the right.

The only alternative that I can see is to let accusations go unanwered.  

Sorry if it seems heavy handed.

There is a great piece about how after Ft. Hood, where the guy who jumped on a table shouting “Allah is great,” the left kept saying how we can’t jump to conclusions about motive, and now everyone can't wait to get into possible motives of the nut.

http://washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/beltway-confidential/2011/01/journalists-urged-caution-after-ft-hood-now-race-blame-palin-afte

Paul Krugman says it’s the right wing to blame.  And he is a major, respected figure.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/10/opinion/10krugman.html?_r=1&ref=opinion

And of course, it is every possible comment Palin ever made, forgetting that Obama said, “If they bring a knife t the fight, we bring a gun.”
http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2008/06/14/obama-if-they-bring-a-knife-to-the-fight-we-bring-a-gun/

How many standards can the violate in one incident?

While sweeping the real issue under the carpet and pretend everything is just fine and continue with the vitriol.

Who the fuck cares who said what? The real issue is; the political discourse in this country is uncivilized, don't talk about a single issue or how to resolve them. There are plenty of dumb fucks out there that can be instigated by the continuous barrage of crap.

Pointless rationalization. Bottom line, our love with guns, interpretation of the constitution to fit ones need to create hyperbole has taken over the political discourse and people are eating it up.

First their has not been anything close to the hate that has been spread by the TEA Party and others.

But even if their had been.  IT DOES NOT EXCUSE THE RIGHT WING.   I don't care how many individuals did the same or similar actions.   IT IS WRONG TO ADVOCATE VIOLENT ACTS AGAINST OTHERS YOU DISAGREE WITH.

We can disagree about policy, legislation, etc.  But NO ONE should be turning that into attacks on the integrity of the opposition or calling for physical harm.  

A thousand quotes of violence from the left. Urging insurrection. We will bring a gun. The targets the left put on congressional districts.

And the love that the left demonstarted from 2000 to 2008.  Just so willing to work with the opposition. Bush morphing into Hitler, portrayed as a chimp,

And you still can't come up with one quote from one serious person on the right that advocated violent acts.

Name one person with a linked quote.

Deaf to your own allies. Mute in the face of a challenge.

Good argument.

Here you are again.  Alec Baldwin shouting ON TELEVISION about how we should storm someone's house and stone him to death and then stone his children to death.

Yeah, stoning kids to death is a good level of political debate.

And James Carvell suggested that Ken Starr be knee-capped.  

GOSH AND GOLLY and you never saw such language in your life.

Want more?  
http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=14641

political party or religion. Neither is stupidity. Where there is more than one person in a room, differing opinions are going to erupt. Killings take place from all sides; the left kills and so does the right. The left practices peace and so does the right.

The thing is, that which gets to me, is that instead of calling for this man's permanent incarceration or giving him the death penalty (to be carried out before the end of the winter) because he murdered - in front of witnesses no less, so that there isn't "reasonable doubt" - the parties of the left, right and center are debating rhetoric!

We put down rabid dogs. For those of the biblical slant, it talks of a "life for a life." When it's perfectly clear that someone killed another (in this case six others, and one a child at that), it's time to make sure he or she never does it again. That means either putting the rabid dog / murderer to death, or keeping him off the streets for the rest of his unnatural life. Either way, it puts him out of his misery and keeps the rest of us (relatively) safer.