Politics and Religion

Is it okay to post something I saw in the news here?
lilyinmarin See my TER Reviews 339 reads
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I saw things in the news, the sfchronicle.com that I thought was interesting and wanted to see what you all thought but i'm not sure the content is allowed on this board. It has to do with 'loitering'....

coeur-de-lion 400 Reviews 17 reads
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we can click to it and THEN tell you what we think.  If you want participation on your topic, you need to make it easy for us to get to what you're talking about.  

inicky46 61 Reviews 8 reads
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Besides, this board isn't moderated so no one's going to spank you except the residents.

cks175 52 Reviews 17 reads
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As California goes, so goes the nation.

Robertini 4 Reviews 13 reads
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I have always hated the word "loitering" and the phrase "No Loitering" on signs.  
Talking about freedom. When is loitering and when is it not?  
Maybe I don't know the actual meaning, can someone please help define it?
If it's so illegal aren't all those thousands of homeless out there doing just that, loitering?  
But since they can't get anything from them they are not bothered.  
Thank you lilyinmarin for getting me mad.

GaGambler 19 reads
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but not worth having to subscribe to the SF Chronicle in order to read it.

 
The SF Chronicle is hardly the only newspaper to require a subscription in order to read their articles, but the last place I want even so much as a dollar of my money going is to the SF Chronicle, OK maybe the second to last place, right behind the NY Times. Ooops, maybe third place behind the Washington Post. lol

lilyinmarin See my TER Reviews 15 reads
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9 / 10

Here is the article, does anyone know 'TS Jane'?

 California may repeal anti-prostitution loitering law over concerns of bias
Dustin Gardiner March 9, 2021
California’s anti-loitering law is so vague that innocuous factors such as wearing tight clothing, talking to pedestrians or standing on the wrong street can lead to prostitution charges, according to activists pushing for a change.
LGBTQ and racial justice advocates want legislators to repeal the law on the grounds that it leads to disproportionate police enforcement against women of color and transgender women.
State Sen. Scott Wiener, D-San Francisco, introduced a bill Monday to rescind a 1995 law that prohibits loitering in public places with the “intent to commit prostitution.” He said the wording is so arbitrary it has inevitably led to bias in how police and prosecutors use it.
“It’s all based on profiling, so not surprisingly, the people who are being profiled are largely trans women and Black and Latinx women,” Wiener said. “It’s just an awful law that can only be enforced by profiling and stereotyping.”
His proposal, SB357, would erase California’s law and allow people with prior convictions to have the charges dismissed and their court records sealed.
Last month, New York became the first state to repeal a similar anti-loitering law meant to discourage prostitution. Opponents have dubbed such laws “walking while trans bans” because police often arrest transgender women.
Bamby Salcedo, president of the TransLatin@ Coalition, an advocacy group in Los Angeles, said the law allows police to harass transgender women for how they look, how they walk or whom they’re talking with.
“Many of us don’t have the privilege of passing (as a non-transgender woman), and so we get stopped, questioned,” Salcedo said. “Oftentimes, we’re just hanging out with our friends or even walking to get milk at the store.”
She said the problem is magnified because transgender people, particularly trans women of color, are often poor and live in high-crime neighborhoods, where police are more likely to focus on them.
According to a 2020 paper by students at the UCLA School of Law, Black adults accounted for 56% of 2,202 charges for violating the anti-loitering law in Los Angeles from 2017 to 2019. Black people make up about about 9% of the city’s population.

Women accounted for 67% of all charges. The study did not include data on charges against transgender people, and it’s possible some transgender women were grouped with men.
TS Jane, a sex worker in San Diego and organizer for transgender and sex workers’ rights, said many transgender people feel anxious about how they dress and walk in public, regardless of whether they work in the sex industry, because they fear police harassment.
“It’s not a crime to express your gender loud and proud,” she said. “If this bill passes, it’s one step to trans liberation.”
Nationally, the effort to repeal anti-loitering laws has gained traction as part of the Black Lives Matter movement. Activists say such laws have been used since Jim Crow days to remove people of color from certain neighborhoods.
Wiener said California’s law was among 1990s tough-on-crime ordinances that gave police wide latitude to target “undesirable” people.
“This is a vestige of a time that we need to really firmly put into the history books,” he said. But the effort is likely to face opposition from some law enforcement associations.
Wiener’s bill would not decriminalize sex work or repeal other laws that prohibit soliciting prostitution. However, he said he hopes the bill is a step in that direction because criminalizing sex work “pushes people underground, and makes people less safe.”
In New York, some Republicans in the state Legislature framed the effort as a Democratic ploy to push for the legalization of prostitution. But that opposition softened after the state District Attorneys Association said the loitering law had caused “harassment and unjust arrests.”
TS Jane said starting a debate about the merits of legalizing sex work isn’t ultimately a bad outcome.
“I feel like America in general, as a collective, we’re just so scared to talk about sex,” she said. “But if we take that power back and shift the narrative, I feel like that’s the first step to sex worker liberation.”

Robertini 4 Reviews 16 reads
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1. All that Trans talk go in another forum.  
2. Yeah, it's true, I should be able to talk to someone on the street, even if a half naked stranger without fear of retaliation.  
That goes for the pimp too as well as for LE.

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