Politics and Religion

See What I Mean?
XiaomingLover1 67 Reviews 3359 reads
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Does this country know any shame?  You'd think they'd have some modicum of gratitude for THE ONLY country in the world willing to have anything to do with Israel, the USA's incredible and incredibly irrational beneficence coming at at extreme cost to itself, and maybe, just maybe, think about the cosmic stupidity of betraying the country which stands between Israel and total destruction.

Yeah, you could do that.  but you'd obviously be thinking along the wrong lines.  no, no, no, good folk, this is a US plot to continue to punish, quite unjustly, poor little JJP.  It's those damn anti-Semites and Arbaist at state, DOd, Justice, the NSC anf Allah-only-knows where else!

Poor Esther Pollard.  citing James woolsey?  No, he's already done his Neo-con-Man bit with ginning up the Iraqi threat and getting the US to invade and ineptly occupy that land.  Try again.

And notice that cosmic sense of entitlement.  bush is obligated to pardon JJP as birthday gift to Israel for it's 60th birthday.  Hey, how much birthday cake to the Pallys get?

Read it below.



New Spy Case Seen as Attempt to Delay Pollard Release
by Hillel Fendel


Esther Pollard: "The Kadish case will have whatever impact [on Pollard] that Prime Minister Olmert chooses for it to have."

Following the news that an 83-year-old former US Army engineer, Ben-Ami Kadish of New Jersey, had been arrested on charges of spying for Israel 25 years ago, the Justice for Jonathan Pollard organization feels abandoned by the Israeli government once again.

Speaking with Arutz-7's Yedidya HaCohen, Esther Pollard said, "I feel great disappointment at the Government of Israel.  Everyone in the media comes to me and hears what they should be hearing from Ehud Olmert - namely, that this entire [Kadish] case has nothing to do with Jonathan Pollard, that it does not cancel out the fact that Pollard deserves immediate release, and that the government of Israel is obligated to work for this goal."

A statement released by the Justice for Jonathan Pollard organization states that the U.S. "has put Israel on the defensive once again, with breaking 'news' in the American media accusing Israel of running a spy in the US prior to the Pollard case... It is not clear for how many years the U.S. has been sitting on this 'breaking news' story waiting for the right moment to hurl new accusations against Israel, and thus falsely and unfairly target Jonathan Pollard by association."

The statement notes that "unlike other espionage cases in the US, which are dealt with on a case-by-case basis, every accusation against Israel is yielded like a club against Jonathan Pollard - as if the 23 years he has served is somehow not enough to make up for all of the sins of Israel."

"It's Up to Olmert"
When asked by Israel's Channel One TV News what impact this latest story will have on chances for her husband's release, Esther Pollard responded, "It will have whatever impact Prime Minister Olmert chooses for it to have. To date, Olmert has still not made an official request for Jonathan's release. It is time for the Prime Minister to discharge his legal and moral responsibility to save the life of an Israeli agent in peril, who has already served a grossly disproportionate sentence."

She noted what she said was the "suspicious timing of the breaking 'news' story," just prior to President Bush's anticipated visit to the region for Israel's 60th anniversary.  Several news analysts have made this connection as well, seeing the release of the story as an attempt to prevent Bush from possibly pardoning Pollard in time for the upcoming Presidential visit.

"There is solid support for Jonathan's release," Mrs. Pollard said. "Every senior American official familiar with the case and the secret files - people like James Woolsey, former head of the CIA, and Senator Dennis DeConcini, former head of the Senate Intelligence Committee at the time of Jonathan's arrest - have been on record for years saying it is time to release Jonathan Pollard. There is no excuse that trumps the 23 years that Jonathan has already served in American prisons."

"My husband should not have to pay the price for this latest case," Esther told HaCohen.  "What, 23 years in prison are not enough? Olmert should say clearly that the cases are not connected.  It is hard for me that after 23 years, we are once again abandoned, and that no one stands up for him."

Mrs. Pollard urged the Prime Minister not to be deterred by this "blatant attempt to put Israel on the defensive, and to simply do the right thing: Bring Jonathan home now, alive, in time for Israel's 60th anniversary!"


BizzaroSuperdude 30 Reviews 1880 reads
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after all anointed by god.  Apparently rational religion is a difficult thing for the human species to grasp....  

To be honest, treason is just that - treason.  our problem - not theirs...

BizzaroSuperdude 30 Reviews 2001 reads
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First... "anointed by god" is all in lower case letters... it is not a statement against a religion or race - rather a statement that to be a country (any country be it Israel or Iran)- that declares great high moral ground - you have to "walk the walk" - and in some instances - the state of Israel does not (nor does the state of Iran).  with respect to the Jewish religion - on the whole - I find it to be one of great acceptance and tolerance of others....

"Apparently rational religion is..."  This is not an indictment of the Jewish faith - it is an indictment of most religions - my own included.  I started to post and did not (wish I had) - "if more religions would practice the teachings found in their holy writ, we would have fewer wars and more humanity that is currently the norm"  Certainly true.

and finally, "To be honest, treason..."  spies are a tool by every single country on the planet - heck - we have spies in England - and they have spies in our country....  it is a country's need to guard against spies.... it is - after all treason... and a problem for the country spied upon...

As to my position on the state of Israel - read the post below - I support the right of Israel to exist - however, our own national interests would better be served by a more neutral position with respect to the mid-east as a whole.  The problem is, we can't.

We are tied to the state of Israel through the support of the Jewish community and some of our Judeo-Christian cultural ties...  BUT WE ARE ALSO EQUALLY tied to the Arab/Muslim world through economic and historical strategic alliances.

We are seen as meddling and interfering in the basic rights of all these governments to exist.  IMHO Israel does what it thinks necessary to survive, but that does not provide the right to spy, it simply provides their own internal justification for such activity.   Our economy is currently being held hostage by the mid-east oil cartel and the world market for oil.  We will face $4 (or higher) per gallon gas within a year.  If it goes to $5 - what will happen?

Our somewhat blind support for Israel is a thorn in the side of most Muslim communities... (and I do not support just walking away from a fight that they, bin Ladin et al, initiated either).  How we deal with that determines (to some extent) how they regulate the flow of oil.  When we were the leading economy that utilized a large portion of the oil, we could "set the price."  Over the past decade other oil markets have become significant and now, we are not alone in needing oil, and therefore are somewhat at the mercy of the market.

In short - things have changed!  and not to our (nor Israel's) benefit.  How we deal with this going forward is important.  

My comments - are directed to a government - not a specific religion - nor at a race... Just as well!  for this entire thread is about the government...  I apologize for it sounding that way - and I agree - it did.

GaGambler 1966 reads
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I like that fact that you are looking at the world as it is, not as you wish it would be. More people need to do that nowadays.

Personally I find nothing of any real value in any religion, but I do support the right of people to worship, or not worship as they choose.

My only slight disagreement is your statement that at one time we as the world's leading customer were able to "set the price". Unfortunately that never really was the case or at least it was not once we became dependent on imported oil. We are, and were unable to fix the price any more that a junkie can dictate the price of heroin to his dealer.

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