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This USA Today editorial describes accurately the wretched campaign the Clinton's ran.....confused_smile
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The Clintons have done enough damage: Steven Strauss. They need to take their money, step away from politics and hope no one follows their example.

President Obama famously said a key element of his strategy is: "Don't do stupid s---." Hillary Clinton was unable to learn this simple lesson, despite losing to Obama in the 2008 Democratic primary (and serving in Obama’s Cabinet for four years thereafter). The Clintons, of all people, should have been aware of the challenges of a presidential campaign — yet, they still did an amazing number of stupid things.

Hillary Clinton and her allies have blamed her election loss on the investigation of her private email server — especially FBI Director James Comey’s lettertelling Congress he was revisiting that investigation just days before the election. The unprecedented decision to put all of Clinton's emails on a private server, however, was made by her and her team. It should have been obvious to anyone that a secretary of State hosting her own email server, without even bothering to get approval from the State Department, in her own house, was going to seem odd and trigger questions.

Having created this ill-considered server, however, a little common sense would have suggested that Clinton ensure all her emails were properly archived before leaving government service. This would have, at least, blunted some of the negative publicity. Instead, she and her team couldn’t be bothered to do so, and we had two years of agonized prevarication and evasion about them.

Clinton wanted her own private email server to keep her personal matters from becoming public. Well, here’s some free advice to future presidential candidates: If you want to maintain your privacy, don’t run for public office. If Clinton wanted to maintain her privacy, she shouldn’t have run for president.

Fundraising for the Clinton Foundation resulted in more foolishness. Any high school graduate would have known that donations to the Clinton Foundation from the world's leading kleptocrats and autocrats (while she was serving as secretary of State) were going to raise questions.

More amazingly, did she really understand that she was planning to run for the American presidency? Based on what the Clinton Foundation did with its funds, it sure looks like the job she wanted was secretary general of the United Nations. The Clinton Foundation does excellent life-saving work in places such as Haiti, Colombia, Peru, Malawi, El Salvador, Rwanda and Tanzania, but it appears to do very little in the USA. Since Clinton's goal was the American presidency, more high-profile projects in places such as West Virginia or Flint, Mich., would have helped disadvantaged Americans and created real connections in communities where Clinton needed them.

From 2001 through 2015, the Clintons earned more than $150 million in speaking fees (and Hillary Clinton alone is estimated to have earned about $20 million of such fees from 2013 to 2015) often paid by the rich, infamous and/or kleptocratic — another very shortsighted move. Imagine if instead, Clinton had spent 2013 to 2015 giving free speeches at community colleges and high schools, in the Midwest and battleground states. It would have built a lot of support and goodwill.

Former president Bill Clinton, having been Arkansas attorney general and the subject of numerous investigations, is thoroughly familiar with our legal system. It should have been obvious to him that his drop-in on Attorney General Loretta Lynch (while the Justice Department was investigating his wife) would set off a firestorm of criticism. Further, if he hadn't dropped in on Lynch, she wouldn’t have had to recuse herself, thereby enabling Comey to step in and share with us his self-serving, unprecedentedly melodramatic opinions.

Every moment on the political campaign trail is precious. Clinton’s loss in Wisconsin, for example, might have resulted from her never having visited that state during the entire campaign. Yet, Clinton insisted on flying home most nights during the campaign season — a significant expense of money and, more important, of time and lost opportunities. Imagine if she had used those evenings for more rallies and more contact with local voters in the battleground states — to listen to their needs and concerns.

In my opinion, Donald Trump (relative to Clinton) has bigger conflicts of interest, is even more clueless about most Americans’ lives, appears to be a compulsive liar, and will likely be a disastrous president. Trump also managed to get a free ride from some of the news media, appealed to the worst in Americans, and benefited from Russian interference in our election.

Even so, a swing of about 100,000 voters, in three key states, would have given Clinton the presidency. Many voters (who had been Obama supporters) couldn’t develop enough enthusiasm for Clinton, however, to vote for her. I’m no fan of single-cause explanations, but I do believe the above mistakes contributed to her loss.

Because of this election, millions of Americans could lose their health insurance, and the Supreme Court might turn conservative and stay that way for a generation (probably endangering reproductive and lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender rights).

Let me make a suggestion to Bill and Hillary Clinton: You’ve done quite enough damage. Keep your money and stay out of politics

GaGambler262 reads

but lets revisit my prediction.  

I said way back in 2015 when Hillary was the heir apparent that Hillary would NOT be POTUS, I didn't know how it would happen, and I also predicted there would be no fingerprints or smoking gun to identify her saboteur, but I did predict that her political demise would come from within.

Everyone here laughed at the prospect, but with the benefit of hindsight it looks like at least Steven Strauss seems to think that perhaps I was correct. How else do you explain a political amateur like Donald Trump who had never been elected so much as dogcatcher, AND who didn't even have any real support from his own party, yet beat the "anointed one" to take the nations highest office.

I disagree with you on just about everything political, but I do agree that it's time for the Clintons to go enjoy their ill gotten gains away from the public spotlight. I think this was Bill's plan all along. I also bet it will be VERY rare to find Bill and Hillary even in the same city at the same time, much less in the same room from here on out, once again, just like Bill planned and I predicted all along

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Posted By: quadseasonal
http://www.theeroticreview.com/discussion_boards/searchMessagesResults.asp?FromPost=1&MessageID=&BoardID=39&SortBy=DateCreated+desc&Search=quad&SearchType=1&Author=mrhuck&DayFrom=172&DayTo=0  
   
   I'd never expect analytical skills from your type.    
   
Posted By: mrhuck
...Nostra-Dumbass has to be right some of the time.

...Poor quad you really are a moron every one of my posts you used as an example was right on the money correct & true, do you always arm yourself with a Swiss army knife when you are going to a gun fight !!!

Posted By: quadseasonal
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   I'd never expect analytical skills from your type.    
   
Posted By: mrhuck
...Nostra-Dumbass has to be right some of the time.

She actually ran some really excellent ads, won all the debates, and let Trump act like a jackass time and time again so I really don't think her campaign. while flawed, was the primary reason for her defeat.

It was her being a terrible candidate personally and it was the shit she did PRIOR to running for Prez that was the major problem (email/server/Benghazi lies, etc)  

And this statement is absurd:

"Clinton wanted her own private email server to keep her personal matters from becoming public."

Yeah, right. She was all worried about Chelsea's wedding info and her yoga classes from getting hacked. Sure. lol

She set up her private server to avoid FOIA requests and to dodge congress/American people. She thought she was above it all. She was a Clinton. She felt entitled. She gambled and lost.

...Very true words Jack but I still don't understand how the voters fell for Trumps lies & campaign shenanigans over HRC's problems.

Both had DISSAPPROVAL ratings of about 60% and much was based on both candidates inability to tell the truth

Perhaps the left will realize next time, most U.S. citizens want a President they elect, not a Queen selected by hierarchy.  
 
     Too many times she cheered when she should have stifled her moronic  thoughts.
   
  http://www.theeroticreview.com/discussion_boards/viewmsg.asp?MessageID=285866&boardID=39&page=#285866

If she had kept her mouth shut she would have won.
     
   When she referred to half of Trump's supporters as deplorable I had no doubt  she'd lose and  
  we'd win, regardless what  biased polls claimed.
   
http://www.theeroticreview.com/discussion_boards/viewmsg.asp?MessageID=271191&boardID=39&page=#271191

...but I still believe HRC would make a far better POTUS than the LYING sack of crap that appears to have won the electoral collage vote.

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