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Now, Michael Moore, of all people is validating what...
loratad 60 Reviews 3154 reads
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I said here about having the Dems get us out of Iraq....and he's not giving them 3 months like me.

http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/message/index.php?id=202

Yesterday marked the day that we had been in Iraq longer than we were in all of World War II.

That's right. We were able to defeat all of Nazi Germany, Mussolini, and the entire Japanese empire in LESS time than it's taken the world's only superpower to secure the road from the airport to downtown Baghdad.
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We had as many KIAs in the FIRST DAY of WWII as we've had in the 3 years of Iraq.

More died on the FIRST DAY of the invasion of Europe.

400,000 americans died in the same span as Iraq

WWII claimed 30 million civilians and 25 million military

would he like it to have been faster?

Moore is revealed as the fucking idiot he is

so what?  He's not the president, who is also an idiot.


BTW, your analogies are useless, unless you're trying to see how bloody we can make a pointless exercise.

Chill out, the ONLY thing that MM and I agree on is that the Dems have earned the right to extract us from the Iraqi quagmire. Couple of weeks ago people were calling me a right wing Republican now I'm accused of consorting with left wing Democrats.  Amazing....since my views have never changed.

I didn't say you were fucking DATING him.  Only BK would do that.

As we all know, the Democrats are a herd of cats.  Somewhat preferable to the Republican pack of hyenas at this particular point in time.

But if you think a divided govt (a Democrat congress and Repub exec) can develop a coherent policy, you're nuts.

You know, Vietnam was in many ways and times ambiguous.   Iraq never was.  It was always a stupid idea, for precisely the reason Bush 1 said - the cure (ie the replacement for Saddam) was most likely worse than the disease.

So now we're paying out the ass for a cure that is incredibly worse than the disease.  We aren't out, and we know its a mess.

My guess is that we pull out, and the Iranians start incursions to protect Shiites and fight Kurds.  The Saudis Syrains Turks and Israelis will  all sit with their fingers on their triggers until some asshole slips and the whole place goes up in smoke.

Good job, George.  Only cost us 20K lives, limbs and permanent disabilities to turn Iraq over to the Iranians.  What a fucking moron.

Let's think for a minute - what president can possibly approach that level of fucking up?  Man, I can't think of anybody.   Just to begin with, there aren't a lot of incidents in American history that were so clearly avoidable disasters; let alone so clearly the work of a small group of assholes & morons.  

The Democrats never wanted this, so it's obviously their fault.  Sheeit.  What's the sense in talking to a Republican?

be accused of being a Republican.  This is the second time I've told you I'm an Independant.  As far as being nuts wanting a divided gov, well some of the best years of this country have been under divided gov. ie, Eisenhower and Clinton years....minimal war and good economy.

And Jack, you haven't written a review in over 2 years and apparently your experiences back then were none to good.  Go book a date with NOSC and have some fun....you need to relax and stop taking this politics so seriously.

I asked what was the use of talking to a Rethug; I did not accuse you of being one.

and that right there gives him validity as a contributing member of society... who fucking cares if hes red blue or purple with pink polkadots.
He made people talk about General Motors, Columbine, and the corrupt connections of the Bush family, and administrations.

Plus I was recently mistaken for him... not sure if thats good or bad... ;P

Snowman392413 reads

perhaps if we firebombed Tikrit like we did Dresden, or nuked cities were the insurgents were numerous then you could make this comparison. Instead we find ourselves in another "police action". These things NEVER work out well where the citizenry does not truly want peace (or at least a numerous number of them).

I know what I say sounds bad, but the middle east is a living example of what you get when you do this type of stuff in half measures. War is an ugly business and should be conducted ugly so that it can actually END as soon as possible. The lifes you save now are soon lost in the long run.

With that said, I guess perhaps Moore thinks we should start fire bomobing???

it all depends on your objective.   The normal objective is to destroy the opposing armed forces, and that is why you firebomb, nuke, etc.

We're far beyond that stage.  We've kicked the army's ass.  Now what?

Well, we want a stable govt.  Bush 1 knew it wouldn't work - everybody except that dumbfuck Bush 2 knows it won't work.  It's not a stable nation or a stable region.  We're asking the army to do something that they CAN'T do, that they aren't designed to do.

Armies are NOT FUCKING social workers.  They don't make people happy, or into cultural converts.  All they do is piss people off.   Would you be pissed off if the Canadians invaded to save us from the Democrats, and they couldn't even make the goddamned electricity work?  Now how would you feel about the PLA?

More to the point, are you going to stick with your family, or are you going to go with the invaders?  How is your family going to feel if somebody gets hit in the crossfire?  Are they going to blame the Demcorats, or the Canadians?

Typically, pilots think that if they just bomb something enough, people will see the error of their ways.  Infantrymen live in the target area, and know that's not so; if you bomb enough to kill them all, you make a fucking desert on one end, and a bankrupt s-4 on the other; and it's cheaper
to buy them out, and besides you get to fuck their daughters.

Only a Republican could be so stupid.  But they're never stupid enough to sign up to do they dirty work themselves.  Instead, they just carp endlessl about how fucked up everybody else is.  They're fucking pathetic losers.

Snowman391733 reads

If Republicans are so stupid, why is it they have all the money (and houses, and cars, etc) ;-)

they don't.   They have more money in fewer hands, because that's what's important to them.  Since they have no social skills, they need to rely on something tangible to get around.   So they're often more focused on property rights, because that's where they find security.

Yeah, lots of Democrats are broke, and lots are assholes.   I don't see that excuses or explains your particular brand of stupidity.

Snowman392417 reads

I WISH I COULD QUIT YOU!!! xoxoxoxo

stop wanting to lick man-ass.

Meanwhile, stay the fuck away from me, ya little fairy.

Snowman392448 reads

come on, it's o.k.

This is the 21st century, no one will hold it against you.

I am attaching the link you were asking me about, although like I told you earlier, I do not think this is a good choice you are making...

Snowman391767 reads

how do you know so much about wat goes on in jail??

HMM, makes one wonder ;-)

Tusayan1481 reads

"I am worried about over-committing our military around the world. I want to be judicious in its use. I don’t think nation-building missions are worthwhile."
Gov. George W. Bush
Presidential Debate at Wake Forest University
Oct. 11, 2000

by that measure - or any measure - it seems to be a pretty complete disaster.

Unless the nation he has in mind to fuck is the USA.

they didn't tie him to a post so he couldn't flog his dick right off after they told him not to - I gotta say, GW is gonna have the distinction of being the biggest foreign policy fuckup in American history - he's pretty much got that clinched now, and he's got an inside track on biggest fuckup overall.

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