Say that when John Kerry pulled Jim Rassmann out of the river, he was not under enemy fire.

And when you do say it on this board, don't try to avoid the dishonor you do yourselves by saying "I went with the best information I had".

I may be wrong, but I don't believe anyone here has claimed that they know the definitive answer to that issue. However, several decorated veterans who were on the water that day have said it. And they aren't going away anytime soon, no matter how much the sKerry campaign tries to smear and silence them.

I not sure who's right about the return fire issue, but I know that sKerry has been busted on his "Christmas in Cambodia" lie. It's fun watching the fallout from an extremely stupid strategic blunder by sKerry, building his campaign around his  Vietnam service. Maybe he will lobby for a 4th Purple Heart, since he has shot himself in the foot.

RLTW

"I never said it before".

I'm not interested in what you said or didn't say before.  But I am interested in what you and the other Swiftboat supporters have to say about this Swiftboat claim (one of their most vehement) now.

If you are not certain the Swiftboat guys are telling the truth about this, don't you think that by lying about this, they are doing something that is a helluva lot worse than a war hero exaggerating his exploits?

It was one the Swiftboats' main allegations.

I'm not sure which one (or more) of you are reading, but I clearly stated that I don't know who's right about the return fire issue. One thing I do know from personal experience is that when things detonate around you and people start firing automatic weapons, the situation can get confusing and members of the same team may have differing recollections.

The only proven liar so far is sKerry, claiming to have been sent to Cambodia. I give the man his props for going into battle, but real "War Heroes" don't need to exagerrate their exploits.

RLTW

They have stated flatly that Kerry is lying about being under fire when he pulled Rassmann out.

But seriously, I'm curious whether your compadres will also decline.

What's up with the multiple aliases? Posting in some of the same threads even. Seems a little silly.

RLTW

What's up with clicking on your own post over and over right after you put it up?  Now that IS silly.

Got to go to work now.

We can continue the hissy fit later if you still want to.

Hissy fit? I'm having a good laugh. It's pretty obvious who's having the hissy fit. Maybe one of your other aliases can come to the rescue. Are you like one of those people I occassionally see walking down the street, hands waving about, having a serious conversation with themselves?

Relax TellingItLikeaHornyGuyYeah, I'm just yanking your chain a little.

RLTW

Uh- so far, the material I have seen all corroborates that he may have been in Cambodia in the Xmas season.  We certainly did have a lot of people there, against the wishes of the congress and the UN, and, um the Cambodians.  Seems his check in point that night and the day before is a few hours from the border by boat.  

Does anybody really think of him as a "Hero"?  I doubt it.  But he was there, and thus appears heroic next to an incompetant known evader.

Remember-  a properly presented big carved butter display would make a better president than Bush....

Hell, Kim Jong IL would probably be more sage!  

and yes, I too believe a little effort to address issues would be nice.

What's that old saying, "Better to be silent and thought a  F..."

We stopped being adult males talking about politics and degraded into hissy fit land with your feline comment about the aliases.  You can call it "having a good laugh", but I know a meow when I hear one.

Actually, didn't expect it of you - seemed out of character.

Read Sully's post below for an independent view that it is you who has had the hissy fit.

-- Modified on 8/27/2004 6:19:02 PM

That's complete bullshit Sully, and you should know better. The myth about sKerry going into Cambodia after Col. Kurtz has gone from him standing on the floor of the Senate, claiming that he had been sent across the border ("seared" in his memory) to his campaign finally backtracking and admitting that he MIGHT have been NEAR the border. He was caught in a lie. Period.

Hell, the Washington Post even busted him:

"Two weeks ago Kerry's spokesmen began to backtrack. First, one campaign aide explained that Kerry had patrolled the Mekong Delta somewhere "between" Cambodia and Vietnam. But there is no between; there is a border. Then another spokesman told reporters that Kerry had been "near Cambodia." But the point of Kerry's 1986 speech was that he personally had taken part in a secret and illegal war in a neutral country. That was only true if he was "in Cambodia," as he had often said he was. If he was merely "near," then his deliberate misstatement falsified the entire speech"

He lied.

RLTW  

-- Modified on 8/27/2004 6:54:13 PM

You're posting under different aliases, in the same threads. You get caught and then cry about the discussion degrading? Weak, my multi-personality-laden friend, weak. Just admit that your a loser and soldier on.

At least you tried to use Sully as a distraction (even though he's wrong too), instead of creating another lame-assed alias.

RLTW

We're having a political discussion which you decide to abandon so you make catty comments about multiple aliases.  Who gives a flying fuck about multiple aliases?  You sound like a little schoolgirl - fuck, I had a hard time believing it was even you at first.  I've seen other guys on this board change the subject to correcting each other's spelling errors - "oh yeah, well you might be winning the argument but you spelled three words wrong"!"  That's the level you were at.

Just start acting like a man.

It's pretty simple, Tellingitlikeahornyguyyeah. They are not "my" swiftboat vets. They are in independent group of decorated combat veterans who have chosen to express their opinions about John Kerry. They do not speak for me, I do not speak for them. They have a valid right to express thier opinions. They were there, we were not.
 
I've made it pretty clear in previous posts that I don't have an opinion on the return fire issue. I've also made it clear that I do believe that sKerry lied about his Colonel Kurtz mission to Cambodia, backed up by alot of evidence. In consideration of that, I also believe that sKerry is prone to puffing up his exploits for political gain. Which lends some credibility to some of the Swiftboat Vets' claims.

As far as arguing, you don't argue. You make silly statements without any supporting factual evidence. The fact that you puff up and proclaim such self-righteous indignation over this issue makes you look like a silly fool. I also believe that simpletons who post under multiple aliases on the same board are losers. That is my opinion, not the Swiftboat Vets, but I'm pretty sure that they would agree. ;-(

RLTW


-- Modified on 8/28/2004 12:01:58 PM

I suggest that you take a look in the mirror sometime.

The "facts" you use to back up your statements are singularly unimpressive.  You have no more credibility than the SwiftBoats.

As to the rest of what you said, no need to repeat my post above.

I think it's time you moved on from this.

Is decorated combat veterans who were there are saying the Mr.Kerry is lying while decorated combat veterans who were there also are backing his recollections as factual.  As each day goes by, it appears that more and more evidence is coming out that the people who were there who back Mr.Kerry are more than likely telling the truth.
    The person in a news story that was posted in a thread the same day that this thread was started made it very clear that he does not support Mr.Kerry politically and do not plan to vote for him.  That would lead me to assume that he will vote for Mr.Bush or someone else.  Maybe the person who started this thread read the other thread before starting this one and maybe his point was that factual information ins coming out which calls the swiftboat ads into question.  You and others of your ilk insist that every former swiftboater who backs Mr.Kerry's recollection is on the DNC payroll, while you consistently fail to acknowledge the connections between the anti-Kerry swiftboaters and key Republican backers of Mr.Bush.
    RLTW.  People who post here use alias sometimes, get over it.  I have done so on two occasions where I wanted to tweak someone who had posted something that I viewed as silly.  At all other times, I have posted under my username.  Get over your self righteousness, you have been and still are one of the most partisan people that post here, so you criticizing someone is like the pot calling the kettle black.  The poster who you criticized for using an alias has pointed out before that he uses that alias, he did so using his username.  Maybe something was going on with you that day that caused you to miss his post.  Interestingly, it turns out that that poster uses his alias here pretty much 100% of the time as opposed to his username.

-- Modified on 8/29/2004 7:05:56 AM

That was JackVance, who had been posting under one alias named start_thinking. Cybil here has been posting under at least two different aliases, leaving comments under both ID's in some of the same threads. That is a cheap and sneaky attempt to weigh the comments of a particular thread one way or another. He's just too full of himself to admit it.

And you my holier-than-thou friend should look back at your own history of fussing at other posters about aliases before you come preaching at anyone else. I seem to recall a couple of pretty funny threads that resulted from them.

In regards to me ever stating anything negative about the vets supporting Kerry, show me one example. Just one. You are as correct on that claim as you have been in your past comments about others using aliases.

RLTW