Charts circles and arrows time. Turd blossom screamed this in the crash thread then posted a bunch of links that whined about Trump calling out DEI. Nowhere did I see anything stating 100 Air traffic controllers had been fired by Trump.
so, we might as well take a nap while we're waiting. Lol
Who said 100 ATC were fired? Source? Link? If you say it was posted here by someone you consider to be unreliable, why not challenge their post in-place? I don't consider anonymous unsourced MAGA posts on X or TikTok to be reliable sources.
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It is NOT disputed that Trump issued an EO hiring freeze on Day 1 to not fill any Fed job vacancies.
Trump CLAIMS he did not include ATCs.
Others claim that there was no such exemption in the EO.
Simple Question: How many ATCs have been hired between Jan 20, 2025 and Jan 29, 2025? I'm sure that some journalist will be able to ask the FAA or FOIA the FAA for that info.
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In the meantime, it seems that the helicopter was operating higher than the normally allowed altitude:
http://www.nytimes.com/2025/01/30/us/army-helicopter-dc-plane-crash.html
Helicopter in Crash Near Washington Might Have Been Flying Higher Than Approved. Jan 30 2025
The Army Black Hawk also might have been outside of its flight path when it collided with a commercial passenger jet at Reagan National Airport on Wednesday night.
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"... The military helicopter that collided with an American Airlines regional jet on Wednesday night appears to have been flying too high and outside its approved flight path at the time of the crash, according to four people briefed on the matter but not authorized to speak publicly. The Army Black Hawk helicopter was supposed to be flying in a different location and lower to the ground as it traversed the busy Reagan National airspace, the people said.
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"Before a helicopter can enter any busy commercial airspace, it must get the approval of an air traffic controller. In this case, the pilot of the helicopter asked the air traffic controller for permission to use a specific, predetermined route that lets helicopters fly no higher than 200 feet and that hugs the bank on the east side of the Potomac River, a location that would have let it avoid the American Airlines plane. [see map image, below]
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"The requested route — referred to as Route 4 at Reagan — followed a specifically carved out path already known to the air traffic controller and helicopter pilot. The helicopter pilot confirmed visual sight of the American Airlines plane, and the air traffic controller instructed the helicopter pilot to follow the route and go behind the plane. But the helicopter pilot did not follow the intended route, the people briefed on the matter said. Rather, the helicopter was above 300 feet, not below 200 feet, and was at least a half-mile off the approved route when it collided with the jet. ..."
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I consider the above report to be tentative but reliable. As the black boxes and other data is obtained, the incident analysis will get more and more accurate.
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In the meantime, partial list of military aircraft accidents:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_accidents_and_incidents_involving_military_aircraft_(2020–present)
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In the meantime (no source, just "common sense"), the number of aircraft and flights has increased tremendously in the past 30 years. The traffic density at many urban airports has increased. The complexity of the ATC systems has increased over the years. (Anybody remember when it was just wind socks and semaphores?)
Charts circles and arrows time. Turd blossom screamed this in the crash thread then posted a bunch of links that whined about Trump calling out DEI. Nowhere did I see anything stating 100 Air traffic controllers had been fired by Trump.
I was trying to keep that thread from defending into madness which it did.
Still waiting for this 100 AIR TRAFFIC CONTROLLERS were fired link.
Here is the AP link:
http://apnews.com/article/coast-guard-homeland-security-priorities-committees-trump-tsa-d3e4398c8871ada8d0590859442e092c
Trump fires heads of TSA, Coast Guard and guts key aviation safety advisory committee. Jan 21, 2025
[It's a long article and a long list. READ IT!]
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[Trump removed NUMEROUS agency heads and safety officers on Day One of his One Day Dictatorship. The article does not say that 100 ATCs were fired. I would like to see SOMEONE file a FOIA request to the FAA for (1) the number of ATCs on 20-Jan-2025 and (2) the number of ATCs on 29-Jan-2025. (3) For extra credit, include more details of any changes, i.e.:
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Let's say (1) 15,000 ATCs on 20-Jan-2025 and (2) 15,000 ATCs on 29-Jan-2025 BUT maybe (3) 1,000 ATCs quit, retired, or were fired and 1,000 new ATCs were hired in the time period. 15,000 - 1,000 + 1,000 = 15,000 = no change in net number of ATCs.
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Or maybe, (1) 15,000 ATCs on 20-Jan-2025 and (2) 14,900 ATCs on 29-Jan-2025 BUT maybe (3) 100 ATCs quit or retired or were forced to retire under ATC rules. 15,000 - 100 = 14,900.
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Or maybe, (1) 15,000 ATCs on 20-Jan-2025 and (2) 14,900 ATCs on 29-Jan-2025 BUT maybe (3) 100 ATCs were FIRED BY TRUMP LACKEY ADMINs! 15,000 - 100 = 14,900.
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IF you think that "100 ATCs were fired" is a falsehood, blame it on the OP and add "This is an unsourced claim" or "This is an unreliable claim based on an anonymous blogger on X." Do NOT assume that others accept such claims and lump them in with the OP claimant on that point. When possible, post SOURCED information to correct the error.
I was trying to keep that thread from defending into madness which it did.
Still waiting for this 100 AIR TRAFFIC CONTROLLERS were fired link.
Here is the AP link:
http://apnews.com/article/coast-guard-homeland-security-priorities-committees-trump-tsa-d3e4398c8871ada8d0590859442e092c
Trump fires heads of TSA, Coast Guard and guts key aviation safety advisory committee. Jan 21, 2025
[It's a long article and a long list. READ IT!]
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[Trump removed NUMEROUS agency heads and safety officers on Day One of his One Day Dictatorship. The article does not say that 100 ATCs were fired. I would like to see SOMEONE file a FOIA request to the FAA for (1) the number of ATCs on 20-Jan-2025 and (2) the number of ATCs on 29-Jan-2025. (3) For extra credit, include more details of any changes, i.e.:
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Let's say (1) 15,000 ATCs on 20-Jan-2025 and (2) 15,000 ATCs on 29-Jan-2025 BUT maybe (3) 1,000 ATCs quit, retired, or were fired and 1,000 new ATCs were hired in the time period. 15,000 - 1,000 + 1,000 = 15,000 = no change in net number of ATCs.
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Or maybe, (1) 15,000 ATCs on 20-Jan-2025 and (2) 14,900 ATCs on 29-Jan-2025 BUT maybe (3) 100 ATCs quit or retired or were forced to retire under ATC rules. 15,000 - 100 = 14,900.
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Or maybe, (1) 15,000 ATCs on 20-Jan-2025 and (2) 14,900 ATCs on 29-Jan-2025 BUT maybe (3) 100 ATCs were FIRED BY TRUMP LACKEY ADMINs! 15,000 - 100 = 14,900.
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IF you think that "100 ATCs were fired" is a falsehood, blame it on the OP and add "This is an unsourced claim" or "This is an unreliable claim based on an anonymous blogger on X." Do NOT assume that others accept such claims and lump them in with the OP claimant on that point. When possible, post SOURCED information to correct the error.
I was trying to keep that thread from defending into madness which it did.
Still waiting for this 100 AIR TRAFFIC CONTROLLERS were fired link.
I was the op in this thread and the other one where turd blossom made the unfounded 100 air traffic controllers were fired by Trump. Inlooked and while management may have had some downsizing I couldn’t find anything about this mythical 100 air traffic controllers being fired…In other words he was just making shit up.
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"I couldn’t find anything about this mythical 100 air traffic controllers being fired…In other words he was just making shit up." -- "making shit up" is usually what MAGAs do.
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Will someone please file a FOIA request to the FAA to get the actual numbers, please?
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In the meantime ...
http://simpleflying.com/us-atc-shortage-analysis
Here's Why US Aviation Has Been Experiencing Air Traffic Controller Shortages. Nov 18 2024
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"... additional workers and infrastructure will be needed to ensure safe and sustainable growth. While estimates of the demand for new air traffic controllers for the next decade vary, many agree that 2500 to 3000 new controllers will be needed." [Another source says that there is a need to fill ~5000 vacant positions RIGHT NOW!]
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"... To keep up with the massive volume of flights returning to the skies, some air traffic controllers are getting pushed to their limits. Reuters reports that some controllers are forced to work mandatory overtime and six-day work weeks at many facilities. This has drawn attention to concerns regarding fatigue, as the United States has seen an uptick in safety-related incidents. ..."
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http://advancedatc.com/why-advanced-atc-is-your-top-choice-for-air-traffic-control-training/
Why Advanced ATC is Your Top Choice for Air Traffic Control Training.
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"At the FAA Academy in Oklahoma City, the attrition rate can reach approximately 40-50%. This statistic indicates that nearly half of the trainees do not successfully finish the demanding training program and ultimately do not earn certification as air traffic controllers. ..."
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[This "article" reads like an advertisement, in which case 40-50% attrition rate is probably LOW. It is very hard to become an ATC. The failure / drop out rate at most medical schools is close to zero.]
People need to take up arms against the racist, liars, incompetent lunatics. TRUMP AND HIS LAKIES ARE IN CHARGE WHEN THIS HAPPEN ,J UST LIKE THEY WERE IN CHARGE IN 2019 COVID.
Try to blame their owm DEI incompetence on China. TRUMP IS THE DEI HIRE.
A member of the AP because all your posts are Asinine Perfunctory.
I look forward to your ignorant racist bigoted reply.
That is truly a weak effort and he should have tried harder.
For example "Abysmally Puerile" would have been so much better. Or "Absolutely Pathetic."
You're welcome.
That is truly a weak effort and he should have tried harder.
For example "Abysmally Puerile" would have been so much better. Or "Absolutely Pathetic."
You're welcome.
It is Abject Pusillanimity.
I also noticed you replied to a post of mine in a thread you were not mentioned or had posted in.
So by your definition of a stalker that would make you my stalker
BTW
I hope wokeboob rewards you for being his "WHITE" knight.
with a side order of Felch.
And considering how often you stalk me here you just broke the Hypocrisy Meter.
with a side order of Felch.
And considering how often you stalk me here you just broke the Hypocrisy Meter.
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It was SwallowMeat who first accused ME of stalking HIM. Not the other way around.
Could you be any stupider?
It was SwallowMeat who first accused ME of stalking HIM. Not the other way around.
Could you be any stupider?
is now you are doing one of his usual childish third grade routines, today it is …."he did it first"…..Whaaaa, whaaaa.
Now I’ll allow you the last word so go ahead have yourself a nice little hissy fit.
In his own words in his initial post in this branch: "that would make you my stalker."
Now go fill your diapers, Meat.
Your depraved and perverted desires and obsessions are obvious reprehensible and repugnant.
with a side order of Felch.
And considering how often you stalk me here you just broke the Hypocrisy Meter.
Could you be a bigger hypocrite?
Impossible.