In the valiant effort to save the Republic, you EvilBush(tm) haters have a new ally in your righteous cause!

Saddam agrees and stands by you! He too, knows that "the real villain is Bush."

Kinda risky when your strategy involves echoing Saddam.

RLTW

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Khomeini said a lot of worse things about Saddam than Bush ever did-  Is Bush just imitating Khomeini?

Spurious argument- but a fun aside.

Hobby on my neo-monarchist friends...

Sully- reaching out to tricks of all stripes

By the same [il]logic Klansmen would be your ally - aren't they mostly Bush supporters ?

BTW, that Bush is a disaster is not a strategy but our motivation.  On the contrary, being ``a villain'' appears to be his strategy (on the downlow of course).

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Since, as we know, the enemy of my enemy is my friend, this would make George W. Bush Osama Bin Laden's friend.

Surely you can come up with a better charge than this?  Any idiot can figure out that Saddam hates Bush because Bush invaded his country.  I hate Bush because he sold out MY country to the Saudis.

The Iran Iraq war was disastrous for both countries, stalling economic development and disrupting oil exports, and costing an estimated million lives. Iraq was left with serious debts to its former Arab backers, over 14 billion to Kuwait.

Sully, why do you consider those who want to reelect Bush as neo-monarchist?  Wouldn't the same be said of anyone who want a sitting president for a second term?  Or at the very least those who would like to see Hilliary Clinton on the ticket?

Aside from Saddam, who most likely would make a contribution to the Kerry campaign if he could, I would think that al qaeda and Osama bin Laden is also supportive of Kerry!

Ask yourself, Who Would Osama Vote For?

That's pretty lame, little llcar. Trotting out the tired old racism card again. Aside from that, your rebuttal is flawed. I would imagine that Klansmen and other racists aren't too happy with EvilBush(tm). Seeing that he has appointed black people to some of the highest positions of his Administration. Or maybe you consider them to be Uncle Toms and Aunt Thomasinas who are not legitimately black, since they have left the Democratic Plantation.

RLTW

It wasn't a serious statement big guy.  At any rate, I would bet ``they'' are happy with kickin all those goat fuckers' asses though.

LLCAR

The undeniable fact is that Saddam will be tried by the Iraqis over the next few months. His crimes and brutalities will be brought to light. And in the end, the man responsible for deposing Saddam and providing the Iraqi people a chance at freedom is EvilBush(tm).

Factually argue against EvilBush(tm)'s policies, the importance of the U.N., debate the merits of the Democrats versus the Republicans all you want. But once you start spewing out half-baked Carlyle Group conspiracy theories villifying EvilBush(tm) as the oil-hungry scourge of the world and true villain of the Iraq War, you've pretty much sided with Saddam.

RLTW

I would never associate that term with any of your posts. However, I will contend that kicking the asses of murderous goat-fuckers is a noble cause.

RLTW

Try as you might to tar me with the Saddam brush, I will not be tarred.

Saddam- nasty little dictator

Bush -stupid, careless US politician

Both bad.

Saddam's little foibles were regional.  Bush has opportunities to mess up more of the world.  I DO think Bush's heart is in the right place , that he does think he is doing right AND well.  I just think he's wrong and that his blunders endanger us ALL.

BTW- Bush's withdrawal from Kyoto and refusal to fund reproductive medicine around the globe are probably in the long term, more damaging than all of Saddam's nasty "accomplishments".  Killing thousands and taking political acts that lead to a million more deaths MAY be less harmfull than acting to add about 20 Million people to an already overpopulated planet in the long run.  Our children can fight it out.

will tell whether or not Bush's war is a noble cause (course I'm sure you're all knowing).  

I agree that some general good can come out of it but that this was the motivation of NobleBush is doubtful (IMHO).  


AntiBushLover


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if I were "all knowing", I'd be filthy rich, the Ruler of the Universe, and surrounded by dozens of beautiful young women servicing my every need and desire. So, I guess we've answered that question!

But I am confident that history will come out on the side of EvilBush(tm) and Tony Blair.

BTW, it's "you're all knowing", not "your all knowing".

RLTW

Why-  its true enough.  Americans always think annual report to annual report.  But the world is lived in long 10-20-30- etc year cycles.  Anybody who stands in the way of population control(on a grand scale like Bush or the Pope) is probalby more damaging to the globe as a whole in the long term than any one mass murderer, strange as it may seem.

Like the idea that the enron gang, by trashing thousands of peoples' retirement funds in one fell swoop might have done more damage than any one single murderer.   Impoverishing a thousand might be worse than killing one or two.

It is not a proven fact-  but certainly a debatable idea.

that unlike present and past Republican/ US policy, liberals don't subscribe to "the enemy of my enemy is my friend".  We look at character of people we want as allies.  Just because some agrees with us doesn't mean we get into bed with them without any thought as to what they represent, unlike some Bushes we know.

being away.

Reifference is, Khomeini didn't put Saddam on trial!

I dunno- why do people constantly call me a pinko?  This is a continuing argument, and I like to be humourous and use a variety of terms.  The neo-monarchist sobriquet was a pretty obviuos joke.

Osama would probably vote for Nader, as he is a shit stirrer of the highest order- he knows both main stream parties are after him for 9/11.  

On the actual fight against Terrorism, we both know that there is little daylight between the parties.  The War on Irag is a totally different adventure and we all know it.  somewhat like the fact that both parties were in the cold qwar together on the whole, while the Vietnam war was dealt with disparately.

when wading into the freak-show that this forum is turning into. A wacked-out Zionist conspiracy theorist, people actually trying to defend Michael Moore and hold him up as a beacon of "truth". Lord have mercy! It's certainly entertaining.

All good fun, but I'm leaving again for a week of peace and solitude in the Smoky Mtns. See ya.

RLTW

How many millions did this smelly fuck line his pockets with from the "Oil for Food" UN Ripoff?

And as far as "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" bullshit, better check your history pal!  Can you remember back to Roosevelt & Stalin?   Stalin had already killed over 30,000,000 of his own people by 1939!  And Jimmah shitting all over the Shah thinking he could be friends with Khomeini!

Get off your high horse.

Bribite, to use one of your terms (at least partially), he would not give a rat's ass about voting for any american that he could try to kill instead.  So, in short, none of us would get Osama's vote.
    But I am not here to argue with a guy who probaly got his ass kicked at Ironwood(sp?).  
    I happened to be reading news on Yahoo and came across a story about Saddam's appearance to hear charges read against him.  I was initially heartened because the whole affair reminded me of the cartoon where a menancing looking eagle, talons at the ready, was swooping down on a hapless mouse which had it's tail between it's legs and a middle finger raised and pointed right at the eagle - a bold gesture indeed, but ultimately a pure waste of precious time.  I expected Saddam to be defiant, but in the end I expect him to have his head handed to him.  What I did not expect was that he would be allowed to come off looking as good as he was allowed to look, even with the silly comments about president Bush thrown in.  Can't we even get this sour meat sucking jackass tried right?  Why in  hell wasn't he brought in with a piece of tape across his mouth?
    Hopefully subsequent trial days of him will go better than this one.

I dunno, I played three rounds of great golf in Palm Springs all paid for by my "rich capitalist" friend, including lunch and beverages, stayed at his fairway home and I shot in the low 80's, lost only $20 on our skins contest, I would say I did pretty good!

As far as who Osama's would vote for, his history is "the enemy of my enemy is my friend!"  It would be laughable to think that bin laden fears Kerry or any democrat for that matter!

write a response to this. But then as I scrolled down the threads, I saw the Nazi and KKK bullshit and realized that there's really no point in arguing with a cretin.

RLTW

I want to be clear that the "you" and "you're" in my above post are not directed at you personally. They are figurative references.

RLTW

of having the government dictate how many children you may have and of what sex or possibly you would share Hitler's vision of sterilization of segments of the population?  Or is it just because the Pope, President Bush and about 180 million other Americans don't like the idea of killing the unborn?

gays, the transgendered, the NAMBLA's, the unions/socialists, enviromentals (tree huggers to the eco-terrorists), abortionists, lawyers, feminists, athiests, Castro, Hollywood elite, the homeless, the addicted, the dopers, the incarcerated, anybody hyphonated... and basically any other special interest group that will tag along. Especially those individuals or groups that want complete freedom without any personal responsibility AND they want everything possible to come from the government.

 Conservatives generally are capitalists (corporate, entrepenur, small business), people of Faith, people who produce for a living, military, people who believe in family values, emergency services (non-union of course) and people who want government to get out of their way and lives.

One of the major lessons in this is for us to show them how dmocracy works, if we put a piece of tape across Saddams mouth, then what do you think that would tell the Iraqis?  Democracy is not something you can teach by force.

Funny how "good vs. evil" interests tend to converge like that.  As Churchill said, "If the devil were fighting Hitler, I'd have a kind word about him."

Do you have any trouble thinking of the West as "good" and the Soviets as "bad" now?

Disgusting, totalitarian dictator aside, when somebody is so right, they're so right.  Even when speaking from underneath a shoe.  

Perhaps Saddam has some sour grapes.  He is, after all, out of power, and his sons are dead, despite being far more clever than Bush. Also, he didn't inherit the Clinton-depleted armed forces that so easily over-ran his country.  

If Bush is on his shit list, it's for different reasons than mine.  

/Zin

It's obvious from reading some of the posts on this board and listening to the ridiculous claims of the far-left Bush haters that Saddam understands the term "useful idiots" very well.

As I previously stated, factually argue against EvilBush(tm)'s policies, the importance of the U.N., debate the merits of the Democrats versus the Republicans all you want. But once you start spewing out half-baked Carlyle Group conspiracy theories villifying EvilBush(tm) as the oil-hungry scourge of the world and true villain of the Iraq War, you've pretty much sided with Saddam.

RLTW

A) We have to do something.  Are you ready for a Bangkok style life?  

B) No-  But by having every means available to those who CHOOSE to end their pregnancies- we got a chance.  If we get everybody educated about sexual practices and pregnancy prevention, we can fight VD and Sexually Tansmitted diseases AND the incredible population problem all at once. Save present lives and possibly have some planet left to pass on to loved cared for children.

C) Choice is the key.  For those who think its murder- don't get one.  For those who think of it as a Medical procedure (more than half of the US- I dunno where you get your numbers from)- keep it legal and decriminalised.  Perhaps those that think it is murder ought to move off of trying to gross people out with the detritus of a medical procedure and start a fund to pay for the needs of the WORLD's unwanted pregnancies so we can see the real colour of their money.

D) If you try to get me with that "sex is for procreation" crap ON THIS BOARD- then you deserve a bitch-slapping (fear not- I won't actually advocate it- but you do deserve it) as this crowd is all about "Meanningless Sex'.

E) Bring up some people I respect who hold these view you advocate.  Try doing this whole argument w/o the word GOD- see how dumb it sounds.

F) Name ONE world problem that population reduction, control or just leveling off wil not damatically improve.  Try. Now sit down and stop complaining.

Bribite has specifically posted that he believes that ALL Liberals are sufferring from Mental Illness.   Declaring an entire group of people to be mentally incompetent is a very Nazi-esque thing to do.  

In addition, at other times, he has displayed clear prejudice and hatred against Gays as a group, and Moslem Arabs as a group.  He has also promoted the use of torture and abuse, as a routine method of achieving our goals in Iraq and elsewhere.

These are the types of views that the Nazis and the Klan espouse.  It may be that they espoused them toward different groups in society than did Bribite, but the fundamental thought process and methodology Bribite is advocating is one of bigotry and hatred, and ruthless use of violence to spread acheive our agenda around the world.   The similarity of this way of thinking to Naziism was striking to me, and I stand by my use of the term in characterizing him.  Not in the literal sense, but certainly metaphorically, as the views he advocates certainly do remind me of the Nazis.

and on their payroll in a VERY big way, specifically so that he could lobby the Saudis on their behalf.

Please present your case as to WHY these claims are "wacky" and not legitimate?  There's too damn much actual evidence of dealings between the Saudis and the Bush family on behalf of the companies in Carlyle Group for you to dismiss it out of hand without any actual evidence supporting your claim.

That glorious liberal monarchy (what was it the Founding Fathers fought against?) at the heart of the "peaceful" Islamic religion, so committed to freedom of speech and religion?  If they don't have mass graves in the sands of Saudi Arabia, it's because there's never been enough people there.

But they do happen to have a lot of money, and control oil, so Bush is all warm and cozy with them.

I don't vote in Iraq or Saudi Arabia.  I vote in the United States.  Saddam is too far away and too weak to even care about.  He has his own reasons to oppose Bush that have little to do with mine-- and that should be a no-brainer.


/Zin

After all, here's what the Bush Administration has done to support Al Qaida so far:

1) left the nation's air defenses unprotected on 9/11, despite having advance warning of Al Qaida's plans to attack inside the U.S. using civilian aircraft

2) Made sure that all of their supporters and family members among the Saudi aristocracy who had been in the U.S. were able to leave quickly, and not be hassled by bothersome FBI interrogations on the way out

3) Made sure that not too many resources were devoted to fleshing the Al Qaida leadership out of it's safe havens in Afghanistan and Pakistan, so that they could live to kill hundreds more civilians in Bali Indonesia, Madrid Spain, Turkey, Morocco, and Riyahd, among other places.

4) Made sure to assist Al Qaida's recruitment efforts by overthrowing that secular Arab Devil and sworn Al Qaida enemy, Saddam Hussein in Iraq.  In the course of doing this, also made sure to bomb key historical religious sites in Iraq, thus again boosting Al Qaida's recruitment campaign

Yes, I'd say it's pretty clear that Al Qaida wants George W. Bush re-elected.  Why else would they not have launched a single major attack plan on the U.S. in the past year, as we move toward the election?

I agree with some points you made, especially the one about under-resourcing the forces in Afganistan and Pakistan.  
    But I strongly disagree that the reason you gave to explain why Al Qaida has not attacked us on our own soil within the last year is due to them not trying.  Richard Reid is a buffoon, but he also is an Al Qaida soldier who tried to kill innocent people.  One could argue whether the potential dirty bomber, Jose Padilla, was plotting as alleged, but one thing that has been proven to my satisfaction is that he trained with Al Qaida and appears to be sympathetic to their goals.
    Many factors have caused there to be no attack in the last year, or substantially, since 9/11/2001.  Part is the increased vigilance of law enforcement and average citizens, some is due to the policies of the Bush administration and Congress.  My feeling is that Al Qaida is simply bidding their time, they will attack us and our allies like Britain when they are damned well ready.  The members of Al Qaida are evil, but they are also smart and very patient.  They have something planned for us, my only concern is whether we have instituted the correct countermeasures to defeat or at least blunt their attack.

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Al Qaida has not tried anything on U.S. soil from that point on.  I am quite certain that these key events are the reason Al Qaida now views Bush as the most positive candidate for their agenda.  

Padilla was probably some type of Al Qaida operative, but there is certainly no evidence he had any type imminent plot in the works, but rather that he was probably gathering information and planning for something well into the future.

I would expect that Al Qaida would not do anything that is likely to hurt Bush into the next election, but will probably plan their next attack against us to occur AFTER the election, so as not to harm their favorite candidate the Shrub.

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Anything to keep Bush in office, including the declaration of martial law and suspension of the Constitution.

Anyone remember Rollerball?

John Kerry... '04!!!

You know, the POTUS that gutted our intelligence agnecies and made us basically blind in the middle east...

But hey, we all know what a great POTUS he was

Why wouldn't any psychopathic, murderous Islamic guy bent on the destruction of the U.S. and all it stands for, see Bush as Allah's gift on earth?  For pure discredit, Bush is doing everything to the US that Osama can't do.  It's like Hitler having Goebbels in charge of the Soviet Union during Barbarossa.  

/Zin

Osama is a muderous, irrational shithead who could give a rat's ass (to use a Bribite term) who wins the US presidential election in November.
    Osama wants to kill us all, whether conservative, moderate, liberal, republican, independent, democrat, green, or libertarian.  Don't you guys get that?  So cut out this shit about who terrorists or Osama would vote for or would want to see in office.  What Osama and his ilk would like to see is the entire US a f**** smoking rubbish pile - hopefully there are enough cooler heads around to make sure that he does not get his wish or anything remotely close to it.

What you say is true.  But I can't let what he said stand unopposed.  

Let crap accusations like that go, and the conservatives will be killing liberals before Osama can.  

/Zin