Obama says he wants to bring jobs back to the US, and then in the same speech says he wants to raise the minimum wage (which most union contracts are tied to) and wants to clamp down on emissions from manufacturers...

Does not sound real "business friendly" to me.

I personally find his speeches pointless anyways. He does have the gift of oratory, he just does not do govern like he frames it in his speeches, so it is pointless.

I cannot watch the guy...he clearly reminds me of a fellow I used to work for.....literally...on any important issue...if his lips were moving...he was telling a lie....commitments to clients, employees, regulators, superiors, etc......even resembles him mannerisms, etc... except for race !!  Myboss was white....and talk about a guy that would throw anyone under the bus !!!

Obama is a socialist.

His speeches are pie in the sky. After 4 years in office he is still has no clue.
He is a con man and a very good one …that is the only thing he is good at.

He will go down in history as the worst president ever.


God Bless America

And quite frankly, Obama low-balled it. The minimum wage should be raised to $10-$12. Had he done the smart thing, and done that before health care reform, we'd be a lot farther down the road of recovery than we are right now.

When workers have more money in their pockets, they spend more. Demand goes up and businesses see increased sales.

It's not a coincidence that when the value of the minimum wage was the highest that unemployment reached the 2nd lowest level for all of the 20th century.

Laffy, you do know government exist to serve the interests of capital, don't you?

I agree, I can't for the life of me understand why most Republicans cannot understand this.

They don't want government to be in the business of creating jobs.

Government can create all the well paying jobs they want. The problem, where is government going to get the funds to pay people?

Although Lefties tell the biggest lies. Don't mention Bush/Iraq, because many liberals voted for that war.

"A few fries short of a Happy Meal!" I've got to remember that! Regarding the troll remark, I don't agree with Willy and some others claiming you are a troll, and I usually think what you post is spot on!

is an important step in reducing the increases in the working poor.

1 question :  If raising the minimum wage is the answer why not make the minimum fifty dollars an hour ?

When minimum wage goes up the cost of goods and services go up at the same time many jobs are cut .  The people you are trying to help, the poor , get hurt the most by the increased cost of survival and loss of job opportunities .

http://www.marketplace.org/topics/wealth-poverty/pay-day/does-minimum-wage-hurt-poor

But to get people started in a career.

could only find work delivering pizzas', working at MacDonalds or HomeDepot.

Teddy Roosevelt was the first person who proposed a living wage. FDR borrowed from that idea to create the minimum wage. Just like how he borrowed from Teddy's Square Deal to create the New Deal.

Teddy defined a living wage thusly:

"The monetary equivalent of a living wage varies according to local conditions, but must include: enough to secure the elements of a normal standard of living-- a standard high enough to make morality possible, (so people don't have to steal) to provide for education and recreation, to care for immature members of the family, to maintain the family during periods of sickness, and to permit of reasonable saving for old age."

Today the minimum wage does not provide that. Not only does it not provide that for a family, but it fails to provide that for a single individual.

Yo'  "Mr."  Laffy:  Your Buddy-O'Bumma-has certainly done all he can to spur the firearms and ammunition industry on-They are running at Maximum Output With Orders Backlogged-Now that is the one thing he has done to help the economy and I appreciate it !  

Have a nice day and spend as much time as possible smiling broadly please!!  You Da' Man !!

At a joint session of the US Congress January 6 to count the Electoral College vote in the 2000 election, Democratic leaders of the House and Senate officially submitted to the hijacking of the presidency by the Republican Party and the US Supreme Court and the installation of George W. Bush in the White House.

Although 20 Democratic congressmen, mainly members of the Congressional Black Caucus, formally objected to the awarding of Florida's 25 electoral votes to Bush, not one of the 50 Democratic senators would join in the objection, as required by an 1887 law governing the counting of the electoral vote.

If even a single Democratic senator had signed an objection, the joint session would have adjourned and the House and Senate would have convened separately to vote, with a majority of both Houses required to sustain the objection. The Democrats control the Senate temporarily, since it is divided 50-50 with Vice President Al Gore holding the tie-breaking vote until January 20, but the Republicans hold a narrow majority in the House.

Such a procedure would have been politically damaging to the incoming Bush administration, underscoring the fragility and illegitimacy of the Republican victory. But Senate Democrats refused to back any objection, insisting that the presidential election contest had been ended by the US Supreme Court decision of December 12 halting hand recounts in Florida, and Gore's concession the next day.

Among those Democrats who refused to sign an objection to according Florida's electoral votes to Bush were such prominent liberals as Edward Kennedy of Massachusetts, Paul Wellstone of Minnesota, Tom Harkin of Iowa and Barbara Boxer of California, along with both Florida senators, Robert Graham and Bill Nelson, and the newly sworn-in senator from New York, Hillary Rodham Clinton.

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2001/01/cong-j08.html

The Democrats put Bush and Cheney, in office.

Who did the Liberals put first Citizens, or Capital?



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The OP was about Obama's SOTU, not pink unicorns.

lmao

The minimum wage was to a way to keep sweat shops from paying too little.

As part of FDR's New Deal, the National Recovery Administration under the National Industrial Recovery Act of 1933 sought to establish a federal minimum wage. However, in 1935, the U.S. Supreme Court deemed this act unconstitutional.

The minimum wage was included in the Fair Labor Act of 1938.

Again the minimum wage was never meant to be a "living wage".  However, since BO is clueless when it comes to the economy and what creates job growth and creation (unless there government jobs), his answer is to raise the minimum wage.

There's your proof Bush, along with all Presidents serve the interests of Capital.

If Bush said to the people they should not borrow money, you along eith the daily kunts would have called him a racist. For not wanting poor people, to except bad loans. Since you believe all poor people are  black and brown.

Krugmans's answer for growth is the driver-less car?

http://www.businessinsider.com/paul-krugman-on-technology-and-the-economy-2013-2

How are people going to afford driver-less cars, subprime loans? Obama should tell people to knock it off, instead he is encouraging it.

                                                      I'm Laffy look at me!

Here's a homework assignment for you. Go back and look at every since time the minumum wage has been increased. Take note of the unemployment rate the month that increase kicked in. Then look at the unemployment rate 12 months after that increase.

correlation does not equal causation. - by willywonka4u, 2/11/2013 10:55:56 AM

Rebuilding it over 10 years was the hard part. Hundreds of billions and very little or nothing to show for it. Dont worry we made plenty of american companies piles of cash and even some iraqies rich.

A storng middle class drives the economy. No two ways about it, the middle class buy most of the consumer goods sold in the US. Not to mention the amount being put into 401 k and ira s.

It could just be a correlation if you see one thing follow another a couple times.

But when raising the minimum wage has continually lowered unemployment, and when we were raising the minimum wage almost every year, the unemployment rate dropped to the 2nd lowest rate for all of the 20th century.

That's one hell of coincidence.

Stupidest argument, employers will hire mor people when the wages are low. Let us test that logic, cut everynone's wages by 25% and see whether employers hireb5% more.

It is the Lambaugh logic, a person has never run a business, managed business other than running his mouth which he doesn't know how to manage.

Show me a business that makes hiring decisions based on minimum wages, I will show you business standing in the bankruptcy court.

Yes, if we don'tbfigur out a way to grow without destroying he planet, we don't have to worry about a thing soon enough. You Repugnants have the same drivel for everything.

It could have and likely should have been over in 9 months. There was no formal resistance after 60 days. When half the population resents you even being there whats the point?
     As a lefty tell me the thought behind having to rebuild a country after something like this?

I take it you've completely forgotten about LBJ and his lies abut the Gulf of Tonkin event that got us wound up, and in the Viet Nam War? Oh, but he was a democrat, so that's okay?

Willy, IMO, the minimum wage should be $15.00-$17.00/hour. Who the hell can live on $9.00/hour? But,then again, there won't be any more Burger King $6.49 value meals either, lol. More like $7.99.

Since such a juvenile response as "well, they did it too" can be interpreted only that way.

BTW, happy to talk about the Republican response, but what don't you figure out how the board works and START ANOTHER THREAD!!

Wages go up, cost of goods goes up, and the guy making $9 an hour is back to have the same spending power he had to start with.

Why do liberals always think businesses will just "take it" and not pass along the cost. Companies do not pay wages, end consumer do, companies do not pay taxes, end consumers do....

It's is a rat trap which businesses have already figured out and the end consumer lost this one.

Come on Willy, you know this!!