Really can't trust what you see nowadays, but the guy had a trump sign on his yard, he wore a trump tee, and his truck....well trucks with 2 American flags on the back is normal...if you're a MAGat
But lets not jump to conclusions. Let's wait for Kash Patel or JD Vance to chime in.

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'Meanwhile, a family photo posted on Facebook shows [Thomas] Sanford posing alongside his wife and 10-year-old son wearing a Re-elect Trump 2020 T-shirt. The shirt from when the first of Trump’s two presidencies ended in defeat to Joe Biden carries the logo “Make Liberals Cry Again”.'
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"Images on Google Maps taken in June show that Sanford had a blue sign with Trump’s last name attached to a shed on the side of his house in Burton, Michigan . . ."
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http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/sep/29/mormon-church-shooting-trump-sign

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Guy drives around town with his “Fuck Joe Biden” flag as Reported by CNN
And Trump gave his “Thoughts And Prayers” so you know he’s MAGat.
If he wasn’t …,oh boy ..the right would be saying he was trans or some radical left nonsense  
But if he’s MAGat, why was he targeting Mormons? I wonder what the governor of Utah thinks . Probably thinking to himself , “ Fuck their ass”

...they're not "Christian enough."

Wearing a trump tee shirt… makes you a MAGat… right?
I don’t see one without the other

"Several friends and acquaintances of the man accused of attacking a Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints meetinghouse said he had long railed against the faith. The animosity, the friends said, stemmed from a breakup with a religious girlfriend over a decade ago."
So, a nut with a gun. As American as cherry pie. And there's nothing anyone can do about it. America has enough guns for every man, woman, child and baby. Getting rid of them simply isn't an option and I'm not in favor of even trying. So this will go on. And don't tell me I'm sound like Charlie Kirk. Because I am. The difference is because he worshiped the Second Amendment. I don't. I worship reality. Or at least I accept it.
So I'm keeping my 1911.

Think about it… if Jan 6 didn’t tell you who they are. Then you’re in denial  
Now they’re going after LDS because they think it’s a cult? Have MAGats totally lost it!!🤣🤣

This was a targeted attack on a CHURCH..... not political violence.

Showing how this guy just was against Mormons.

I disagree with what I see is your attempt to quantify non-political violence as something less than political violence. All violence is repugnant and motivated by hate.  While these abhorrent murders are individual acts, there's a culture of hate and easy access to weapons that exists in America that contributes to the violence that should not be ignored. Anyone from the POTUS on down who isn't trying to lower the temperature and detestable rhetoric is not being helpful and making matters worse. These men - and I include the shooters in Utah, Texas,  Michigan, and North Carolina - are individually responsible for their actions. Demonizing entire groups of Americans - be they MAGA or liberals - is wrong and only further divides us.

I am not trying to say violence isn't wrong.

My post represents my thoughts on this subject plus a response to what I thought was your position and not to the original poster. What I hear from the rhetoric coming from trump, vance, right-wing media, and MAGA regarding the shooting in Utah and Texas is devisive blaming the entire left for the individual actions of 2 murderous and disturbed young men. Trump et al may say "stop the violence" when perpetrated by a crazed trump supporter, but will blame the entire left when the shooter is not a crazed trump supporter or even a liberal.

Texas shooting:   An ICE Facility.   Which political party is demonizing ICE Agents, saying to protest ICE Facilities, Saying to DOX or ID ICE Agents, Want to Stop ICE Agents from doing their jobs, etc.   Which Political party called ICE Agents NAZI's, Gestapo (warren group), concentration camps, etc.    Plus the fact that a bullet had writing on it.   Political rhetoric that is going on right now.

We've been over this many times before. You appear to have a mental roadblock on this topic as you desperately jump to unfounded, partisan conclusions. We do not know the motives of the shooters in Utah and Texas. The writings on shell casings can have many meanings and is not conclusive evidence that either shooter is a left-wing liberal.  One shooter appears to have been motivated by the victim's anti-trans rhetoric and the other shooter by hate of the government. Neither shooter appears to be a left-wing liberal.  However, because those shootings were against a conservative activist and an ICE facility MAGA world quickly assumes not only were those shootings done by liberals, but all liberals are to blame. I don't have the time or the patience to explain this to you again and again.

You appear that you can't admit that one political party has called ICE Agents hateful things, demonized them, etc to the point where people are doxing them, fighting them, and possibly willing to commit violence against them.  All people of what politicians are saying on a daily basis.

We speak up against ICE when ICE officers act like thugs. Seems to me that it is ICE and other federal agents who are acting violently. We are only calling trump and MAGA fascist because they meet the textbook definition of fascist. Perhaps you should look that up. While you are looking that up you might also look up the times when trump called democrats fascists. The foul and divisive rhetoric coming from trump, vance, right-wing media, and MAGA world is anti-American, anti-democratic, and intended to keep the MAGA base angry and full of hate. Peace cannot come from that sort of language only more violence. I don't care to continue this discussion any further since you lack any ability to comprehend what is happening right in front of us.

How about if ICE Agents stopped ACTING like hateful thugs? How about if they showed their faces? How about if they consistently displayed their identification? How about if they didn't pile on people who simply asked them to identify themselves and were actually legal residents or citizens?
In other words, how about if they stopped behaving like storm troopers?

That's exactly right. Near me ICE agents are smashing car windows, arresting people who are trying to comply with immigration law at immigration offices and courtrooms, and manhandling citizens, legal residents, and the undocumented alike in a cruel and inhuman way. We not only have the right to speak up against this abuse of power, we have an obligation as citizens to do so. Some members of this board think that it is our speaking out that promotes violence, when in fact it is the government's own excessive show of force that can lead to violence against the government.  I do not advocate for and I despise violence, but I understand why it can happen.

They want to send waves of fear through the immigrant community so huge numbers of people "self-deport," even if they are here legally. Because legal status seems to no longer offer protection if you have brown skin.

That’s a wild and unfounded conspiracy theory.

No, it's not. If you were paying attention to what is really going on, instead of listening to and spreading  right-wing propaganda, and had some empathy you would come to the same conclusion.  Fear and intimidation are the ethos of Miller, Nome, and the trump administration.

I guess Congressman Goldman's fears are also unfounded. To a partisan hack.  
From Yahoo via CNN:
"On Tuesday’s episode of The Jim Acosta Show, host Jim Acosta welcomed Rep. Goldman to discuss the events of the day. Goldman said Republicans are trying to protect Trump from revelations about his relationship with deceased sex criminal Jeffrey Epstein, and that Trump is softening the ground to stay in office:

You try to paint me as a partisan hack by citing the most partisan hack in Congress. Do you even know what Goldman’s background is? “Lawfare” should be his middle name.

You said my concern was "wild and unfounded" as if no one had ever made such a statement. So when I proved an actual US Congressman had said THE SAME THING, you dismissed that because you say he's "the most partisan hack in Congress." First of all he's a Congressman not far from where I live so I DO know a lot about him. And he's no hack. He's a very bright lawyer and a fine legislator. The fact that ChicKie doesn't like his political stance notwithstanding. Here's Wiki's summary of his career:
"After graduating from law school, Goldman clerked for Charles Breyer of the U.S. District Court for the Northern District of California and Robert D. Sack of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit.[12] From 2007 to 2017, Goldman was an Assistant United States Attorney in the Southern District of New York under Preet Bharara.[3]
 He prosecuted Russian organized crime, Genovese crime family mobsters, including Fotios Geas, who murdered Whitey Bulger while in prison, and a variety of white-collar crime and securities fraud.[3] In 2017, Goldman was the lead prosecutor of Billy Walters, a sports bettor who was convicted for insider trading.[3] After leaving the Southern District, Goldman became a legal analyst for NBC News and MSNBC[14] and a fellow at the Brennan Center for Justice in New York.

Really...... how are they acting like "thugs" or "fascists"....  Show the "TEXTBOOK".....

Read my post from earlier today. You won't change your mind since your opinion is baked-in, but it might give you pause before you unconditionally defend ICE.

You mean when Trump called Dem's fascists?  

Well as always you are illogical, irrational, emotional, and all over the place. Pull up your pants. Your MAGA underwear is showing.  

There are plenty of candidates who will continue to implement Trump's policies.  You forget that a large portion of the voters who helped elect Trump do not like him, but they support his policies.  2028 will be about finishing the job at the border and getting crime off of American streets versus opening up the borders again under ANY democrat who is elected.  Who the Republican is doesn't matter, voters will go with whoever will continue Trump's policies.  Dems seem to forget that Obama ran largely on stemming illegal immigration and after winning, deported more illegals than any other President in history.  It's questionable whether Trump can top him due to the interference of Dems who don't care about public safety and reserving vital resources for use by Americans rather than giving them to illegals.  

Was it necessary to cut and paste all of that to try to prove he’s not a hack?

You didn't even TRY to rebut what I said.
Ooohhh! That's gotta hurt!!!

100%   That is just it.   Democrats are running on TRUMP BAD.... that is it.

That may well be the most hilarious thing you've ever posted here.

Seems like a recession is looming  
Small and Middle businesses are losing jobs, my guess by tbe uncertainty and of some of the tariffs already in place
Told you part time working granny was gonna get laid off

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That's delusional. Trump goes to extremes all by himself. He hasn't done shit to fix any of the things you mentioned, rather he is making most things worse. In addition, he's acting like an all-powerful dictator who rules by fiat and not a POTUS who answers to the people.  His favorability polling is deeply underwater and he is singlehandedly bringing the country into stagflation and autocracy. He is deeply corrupt, an embarrassment on the national and world stages, and grossly unfit to lead.

Trump wants to stay in office until he croaks and I'd say there are good odds he'll pull some extra-legal tricks to do it. As I said recently, I believe his deployments of troops in several cities (and the willingness of Red State Governors to provide more) are a dress rehearsal for him fomenting a national "emergency" and postponing elections. We'll see if he can get away with it.
As for the squeals of some here that Dems are blocking him from getting things done, cry me a river. The Republicans still managed to pass that steaming pile of shit they call the "Big Beautiful Bill" so what are they whining about?