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OK Right wings fanatics, how do you explain this...
craziness 188 Reviews 2513 reads
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...fuck up? Does it deserve impeachment?

Related Link: Commission report on Iraq War

DoctorGonzo1734 reads

I'm not a right wing fanatic, my pro-Israel viewpoints notwithstanding.

But with regards to Bush being impeached...

Bush has committed somewhere between 8 and 17 impeachable offenses while ruling, pardon me, serving as President. It depends on who you ask, and how you interpret the Constitution.

Ironically enough, despite the brouhaha over warrantless searches, iraq, White House leaks, corruption, Enron, and all the big boilerplate scandals we have come to hear about, the one that actually is unquestionably and irrevocably an impeachable offense came while POTUS Bush was pushing his Social Security privatization plans. After touring the Bureau of Public Debt in Parkersburg, W.Va., he had this to say about the $1.7 trillion in Treasury bonds that make up the Social Security trust fund...

"There is no trust fund -- just IOUs that I saw firsthand.  Imagine, the retirement security for future generations is sitting in a filing cabinet."

This was a direct violation of the 14th Amendment of the Constitution. In Article XIV, Section 4, it states: The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned.

In other words, these "IOUs" not only have the backing of the US Government, but are binding under the Constitution of the United States. The Constitution says quite clearly that public debt shall not be questioned yet there is Bush doing just that, in order to push his agenda for Social Security.

The most delicious twist here, a truly Hitchcockian irony is that the same 14th Amendment that Antonin Scalia used in 2000 to annoint Bush in the first place, is the one most likely to bring him down, if it ever comes to it.

Whether or not the Powers To Be choose to go through with impeachment proceedings, is another matter.

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harryj1431 reads

A legal scholar you are not. When blinded by petty partianship, a thinker you are not either. Clean up your act!!

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DoctorGonzo1573 reads

Yoda you are not. A speller you are not. (petty partianship?)
A kettle calling the pot smoker black you are.

Petty partisanship my Zionist ass. I argue the merits the way I see them without regard to political party. You'd call me a patriot if this thread were about the Second Amendment.
You want to argue the merits of my statement? By all means. Argue the merits. Especially if you believe you can.
But don't you dare come respond to me like some bloviating pompous windbag without a spell checker, a valid perspective, or a clue.

The only response to you I can think of at this time, is "Sticks and stones may break my bones, but you're just blowdrying my hair."

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harryj1459 reads

My most humble apology for my poor typing and the mispelling. I am glad it did not confuse you too badly. "Without a clue or valid perspective". I assure you my lad, I am a seasoned Constitutional scholar, having studied the subject longer than you have likely been taking nourishment. Would you have impeached Abe Lincoln for suspending the Constitution? His transgressions in that regard were very real, not just a partisan rant.

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craziness1837 reads

Don't take the Right Wingers so seriously: Prblem is that majority of them have their heads in sand or GWB Ass :) Interestingly, I don't think GWB is a true Right Wing, he is just fucking idiot/moron. Most of these Right Wing guys can not pass understanding simple issue: The only issues that they have believed that is completely figured out is disbarment of Clinton and Monica BJ and that whole episode.

I vote regardless of partyline; I look at Sam Brownback(R) from Kansas and I do seriously consider voting for him. I look at GWB and I see a drunken head, fucked up, drug head who cause 2 Trillion in debt and un needed war and alienation of American policies in Middle East and elsewhere...

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harryj1658 reads

Clinton was a fraud (and still is). The impeachment should not have been done, but it was certainly not because of the BJ. Clinton is a liar whether under oath or not. I don't take left winger pseudo-libs too seriously, because they are without moral or intellectual fabric, they generally just self destruct on their own.

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craziness1873 reads

You wrote: ".....I don't take left winger pseudo-libs too seriously, because they are without moral or intellectual fabric, they generally just self destruct on their own." LOL: You are FUNNY.

I forget that only Right Wings have moral and intellectual brains and arguements like their great leader, GWB who does not lie and is exteremly bright, and in addition, they are very compassionate conservative toward young boys.

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XiaomingLover11901 reads

At last, Doc, we can dialogue about something not related to Guess Where?

You write :

"There is no trust fund -- just IOUs that I saw firsthand.  Imagine, the retirement security for future generations is sitting in a filing cabinet."

This was a direct violation of the 14th Amendment of the Constitution. In Article XIV, Section 4, it states: The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned.


Of all the times to believe POTUS, in the most literal meaning of his ill-choosen words,  this is the one you picked?

My guess : Bush is somehow trying to reference the fact that the bulk of the assets held by the SS Trust Fund are, as you note,  in the form of US government bonds.  In other words, a financial instrument which is the promise of the US gov't to pay off X dollars at a given date. [And, as you note, said payments mandated by the constitution]. In other words, the US gov't borrowed money and has to pay it back.  In other words, the US gov't wrote out  IOUs.  

Possibly thw world's most impressive and reliable IOU, but an IOU nonetheless.

"The validity of the public debt of the United States...shall not be questioned" refers to the inability of the US gov't lawfully to repudiate any part of it's public debt.

POTUS just got himself twisted into a Reaganesque-level of misunderstanding and imcomprehension.  Like the famous "trees cause pollution" argument.

Impeachable?  I doubt it.  Stupidity ain't a crime, but it's consequences often are [figuratively speaking].

Incidentally, the US is one of the few countries legally forbidden to repudiate it's public debt.
And of minor historical note - the US did mange to repudiate it's public debt at least one time --  in the 1790s.  Along with ending it's alliance with France [then in the midst of The French Revolution] the US repudiated the loans made by the French gov't to the colonies [responsibility for which was adopted by the federal government].

And NOT ONE BLOODY WORD ABOUT...

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wanderer3052166 reads

I believe that during the Civil War there was more than one Bi-partisan Committee that said the North was losing the War, Lincoln should recognize the South as an independent, slave owning country and that Lincoln should be impeached for the suspension of Habas-corpus (?) and several other Supposed Capital Crimes.  Gee it’s only 140 years later and were playing the same song.  My .02

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Ben Dover2084 reads

I have no real opinion on the topic of this thread... I'm just glad to see a normal, healthy argument take place on this board between a group of unmoderated men that stays "within bounds"...

Wow! I've only been here a couple weeks and I already feel like my "work" here is done!

Carry on then....

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XiaomingLover11855 reads

No love for POTUS Bush, but re impeachment for the Disaster in Iraq, not very likely.  

An impeachable offense is a "high crime or misdeanor."  As far as I know, Bush's mule- stubborn and pig-ignorant cluelessness is, however destructive of this country, not a crime, high or otherwise.  Not even a misdeamor.

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