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Serious post time, you make a valid point....butred_smile
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(I'm a firearms owner...and this whole thing is a mess...)

Posted By: Snowman39
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He particularly skips the fact that where more guns are present, violent crimes actually drop.
There is truth to this but I'd argue that in this instance correlation doesn't equal causation.

These mass murders are so few, far between and they certainly don't fall under the umbrella of typical gun violence and that is where I'd say your point has the most merit.

These fucktards who do this, I don't think there is anything that would rationally sway them from such a course of action; they're not rational.

It makes sense to somehow make sure that folks like Adma Lanza, James Holmes, Wade Page, Jared Loughner, etc.. can't get their hands on high capacity semi-automatic weapons.

How do you do that? You could ban everything, that works, I'm certainly not for it...but there is certainly room for better gun control without trampling all over the 2nd amendment.

The problem is that both sides have their ideological panties twisted in a knot over this. The NRA looks like a bunch of monsters because LaPierre is a fool and on the left you have shrill anti-gun shrieking banshees like Feinstein & Baker, who both enjoy copious security courtesy the tax payers...

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So, the excuses of violent video games, and prevalence of people with severe mental heath issues are shot to pieces. The NRA has to come up with, and or be more transparent in their motives for being against stricter gun control laws that would save many lives. Just saying they won't work, due to violent video games and crazy people, just isn't true.

Related Link: http://globalpublicsquare.blogs.cnn.com/2012/12/24/how-to-fix-our-gun-problem/

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no_email262 reads

When I was looking for something on mental health and violence...I won't front on the statistical fact more guns will equal more shooters. Matt, you can't believe we have the same mainstream culture as those other countries. I will admit our modern cultures are very similar. Two things things the American phsyce has that no other national phsyce has...


1. We have an extremley racist culture, mixed with the most diverse population on the planet. Combined with a huge gap in fiscal inequality.

2.  We have the most toxic campaign process ever, in the history of free elections.

Then we throw firearms in to the mix, this is what we end up with. I bet if you look at violent crime stats, that are not directly drug, and gang related. Those numbers spike during election season, the more negative campaigns get. The more gun homicides will rise, along with other violent crime.

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I think Yemen ranks #2 in fire arms death/ gun ownership per capita. This article says #3.

The report of the interior ministry attributed the reasons for the occurrence of such incidents to the spread of weapons in the community, and place them within the reach of children and abusers, as well as ignorance of the dangers of weapons and lack of knowledge of ways to use it and clean it. In a report issued Small Arms Survey Yemen was ranked the third highest country in the world for weapons possession, with 61 weapons per 100 civilians.

http://www.yobserver.com/local-news/10022174.html

I have a hodgepodgery of  points to make. Yemen is most likely not exposed to the same popculture
as the rest of the world.They are also arming themself from westernfactions. The same WF that want to disarm American citizens, or are the same same WF who want to keep the American citizens in arms?

http://www.irinnews.org/InDepthMain.aspx?InDepthId=8&ReportId=41050

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RRO2610353 reads

for what I paid for them? I don't fucking think so!!!!

Past what is moral, or right, or patriotic is simply Dollars & Cents. I don't much care about what our wonderful government wants or tries to do about the American culture of guns. The NRA and the Commerce dept have done wonders making the gun manufacturers rich. Just like the election cycles make the mass media industry rich.

The Banks got bailed out, and we paid for it!
GM got bailed out, and we paid for it!
Me and 99% of the populace got royally fucked in the ass, and now "feel-good" or even draconian gun legislation" would fuck us some more.  

Show me $7,500.00 for my three military style semi-auto rifles and respective high capacity magazines and I'll think very seriously about turning them in to the authorities. Otherwise I'll simply wait for a motivated private buyer.

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Snowman39263 reads

because of the acts of a few...

I really like Zakaria, but he got this one wrong.

He particularly skips the fact that where more guns are present, violent crimes actually drop.
He has hand picked his arguing points, and done so with little credibility

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(I'm a firearms owner...and this whole thing is a mess...)

Posted By: Snowman39
.

He particularly skips the fact that where more guns are present, violent crimes actually drop.
There is truth to this but I'd argue that in this instance correlation doesn't equal causation.

These mass murders are so few, far between and they certainly don't fall under the umbrella of typical gun violence and that is where I'd say your point has the most merit.

These fucktards who do this, I don't think there is anything that would rationally sway them from such a course of action; they're not rational.

It makes sense to somehow make sure that folks like Adma Lanza, James Holmes, Wade Page, Jared Loughner, etc.. can't get their hands on high capacity semi-automatic weapons.

How do you do that? You could ban everything, that works, I'm certainly not for it...but there is certainly room for better gun control without trampling all over the 2nd amendment.

The problem is that both sides have their ideological panties twisted in a knot over this. The NRA looks like a bunch of monsters because LaPierre is a fool and on the left you have shrill anti-gun shrieking banshees like Feinstein & Baker, who both enjoy copious security courtesy the tax payers...

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Snowman39214 reads

Incrementalism.

It always starts small, but the government never stops there. Be it the tax code or healthcare, there are tons of examples of this.

I just don't think gun owners will trust the government for this very reason, and that my friend, is the real point.

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RRO2610394 reads

yet she has wanted to empty MY gun safe for over twenty years.

I guess the first rule in politics is to be a hypocrite .

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no_email186 reads

and we were voting, to inact an amendment allowing the right to bare arms.

The thing is, and I know you understand this. The guns are already here, he even quotes the guns to people ratio himself.

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