http://www.nationalblackrepublicans.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=pages.DYK-HistoryTest

 

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/03/11/AR2007031101052.html

Novak writes :

"Of course, no political candidate should have to explain inconsistencies from her high school days."

I think that about closes debate on this.

Feel free to attack HK for all manner of opportunism and pandering and expediency and everything else that make US public life such a joy to behold and to experience.  But not something she said and wrote in high school, when she was all of what, 17 or 18 years old?

Here's an analogy from the world of athletics.  When Bill Walton was a high schooler, many universities were leary about recruiting him because of his interest in and involvement with what seem to be goofy and trendy and vaguely leftish causes.  John Wooten of UCLA was undeterred.  His reasoning?  Don't take too seriously anything said or done by a 17-year old California kid.

I think Wooten has much wisdom here.

overdoing the hallucinogens somewhat later in his life, getting busted and forgetting about them.

Some of the statements made in that article are out of context. That's another sleight-of-hand technique so often used by Republican's to discredit liberals.  Do you know why the Democrats voted against the first draft of the Patriot Act?  Republicans were saying the Democrats weren't interested in national security. No... it was because the Republicans tried to attach to the Patriot Act an amendment that would have opened up a lot of Alaska to oil drilling... which has nothing to do with national security.  

And another interesting tidbit.... anyone who was a member of the Ku Klux Klan way back in history is not necessarily a racist.  First of all, the KKK did not start out as a racist and anit-black organization. And secondly, don't you give credit to someone who might have been raised to dislike black people as a child, but then gains greater wisdom and renounces racism?   I have a bigger problem with selfish and opportunists like Ronald Reagan.  He was a founding member and president of the Screen Actors Guild when it was to his advantage back when he was a lowly paid actor.  But as a wealthy president, he continuously tried to bust unions, which he did successfully when he fired all the air traffic controllers.  

Is his logic faulty in THIS instance?  Or is RN just an overall lunatic?

A stopped clock is right twice a day.  RN could be a lunatic composing nonsensical gibberish and still have gotten this [or something else] right.

This seems like an not too-impressive mountain made out of a pretty puny initial molehill.

or Invading While Impaired?  Or Surging Under the Influence?  Or...

So what would the sobriety test constitute?  Sir, please such us your Nuclear Weapons Release Authentication Codes and get out of Air Force One and walk a straight line to the UN Security Council?

And WHO IS that great-looking women on the cover of Black Republican [not Condi, the one above her]?

1) primarily concerned with social wedge issues
II) ORIOS,
III) ???

The correct answer would be III ..  I think most Blacks who vote GOP have a higher degree of higher education than their peers or they are motivated to learn the truths on their own.. It is undisputable fact that "MOST" poverty stricken inner cities have been run by Democrats for 40 years and the faces and souls of those cities are still in shambles. If you look at the history of those cities you will see the best the Democrats have done for them was steal their land under eminent domain to allow room for the new skyscrapers.. Have you ever wondered who used to live where the Highrises are in D.C.?

There are many ways between almost and impossible

That lady would be Angela McGlowan:A couple lines from a interview on her new book "Bamboozled"     "I decided that it was time to stand up and call a spade a spade. For 50 years liberals have conned and used blacks, Latinos, and women into supporting an agenda that sells them out and betrays their values. We’ve become the dupes of the Democrat party. Liberals have gotten away with their civil-rights shell game for too long. They’ve boxed blacks, Latino, and women in to their predetermined pens because without a stranglehold on these three groups Democrats can’t win elections. So I decided to call them what they are: bamboozlers.

Lopez: Well then: Who’s the most insidious bamboozler?

McGlowan: Well, that’s kind of like asking which liberal policy has been the biggest wrecking ball slamming against America — there are just so many to choose from. But right now I’d have to say the Clintons. I mean, when you call yourself “the first black president in American history,” you know people have been hoodwinked! But this is historically what the Democrat party has done: rewrite history with liberals as the heroes and conservatives as the villains. As I uncover in the book, nothing could be further from the truth. When Americans read the hidden history I discuss in the book about the KKK Democrats, most will be shocked and outraged."

you'd wind up looking pretty dumb to most people.

The fact is that the Democrats were pretty well identified with the south and race policies until the Depression, and Roosevelt; and the Dems did not completely abandon that until the 60s (with LBJ), and then in the 70s, the GOP made conscious efforts to step into that vacuum, so that today, it's the GOP supporting confederate flags, states' rights, etc.

But trying to call race (or many/most issues) a purely partisan issue, is pretty ignorant.
And pretending that virtue resides in party alignment is just as fucking stupid - so anybody leading with the pitch that this or that party is right or wrong as a general or historical rule is just advertising their bias, as far as I'm concerned.    Start with the facts, then get to the conclusion.

Some of the biggest perennial arguments are, how much does a person need to get by, and how should they get it, and is the other fellow cheating?

It's true, giving people things doesn't really help them work.  But if they don't have minimal resources, how can they?   It's very easy for people who have earned their way in the world, like GW Bush, to say that everybody else should be born into a family that can arrange political offices.   Not so easy when you're not.

The real question is, striking the balance, and in many ways, that should probably be decided at grassroots levels - you are most likely to know which co-workers are fucking off - and yet at the same time, different communities have different standards.  

The Republicans have been very much opposed to questioning or examining anything since Reagan, and pretty much into blind loyalty to glib cliches; and it leads to shitty management practices.

on black people with severe traumatic brain injury who cannot remember the last 150 years.

... if the person you have in mind lives in the suburbs and has an advanced degree or better, then you come close to having a point.  

The GOP has been indifferent to the poor for most of your lifetime.   Further, the reasoning for this is predicated on arguments that are try to couch the indifference in "moral" terms -- we are helping them by screwing them.  

The black middle class will not grow at the same rate it grew after the civil rights movement and during the early 70s -- the doors have been shut by GOP governments and republican judges.  That is going to hurt us as a nation in the long run.

I certainly agree that the GOP should be the natural party for most minorities in the US.  Working hard, keeping families together, staying out of trouble,  solid policing, ... are very good policies for people and governments.  However, the GOP pimped all this away to pickup people who were uncomfortable with a multi-racial society.

In any case, if you are black and a member of the GOP, I hope you work effectively to make it live up to your ideals.

Harry

This argument only works
Posted by Jeremy Bender, 6/3/2007 5:34:32 PM
on black people with severe traumatic brain injury who cannot remember the last 150 years.
 
 Quad is sure that "most" White Americans have a obscured theory of what our History really was in the last 60 years..I certainly do not expect them to have correct knowledge of 150 years

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arm of the Democratic party with their public enemy number one, the African Americans.

Prior to the 1950's the NAACP and other civil rights groups begged Presidents Roosevelt and Truman to send in Federal troops. Help never came. President’s Roosevelt and Truman did some admirable acts such as hiring blacks in Federal service and the integration of the US Armed Forces. But the fact of the matter is Presidents Grant and Rutherford B. Hayes was enacting policies to promote racial equality long before the 1940's.

The lynching of innocent men and women though is perhaps the Democrats ugliest and hidden truth of their shameful policies of racial injustice in American History. Democratic political leaders of the south were often members and leaders of the KKK.

When President Eisenhower ordered the 101st Airborne Division to Little Rock Arkansas to uphold the law it was the most serious constitutional confrontation since the American Civil War. Democratic political leaders were openly defiant and advocating armed insurrection and that is why President Eisenhower had to send the troops. Actions speak louder than words and Eisenhower actions were courageous.

Was he perfect, of course not, but he did end lynching and sent the FBI to infiltrate KKK activities. As you stated he appointed Supreme Court Justices to correct wrongs that had been in place since the Civil War reconstruction period. You forgot to add, President Nixon enacted the PELL Grant programs to promote the underprivileged and poorer segments i.e. minorities greater access to higher education.

Finally, I served under President Reagan and under his leadership, he transformed the US Army into a meritocracy unparalleled in any organization on earth. The promotional point systems were upgraded and enforced to be fair and just. His chain of command developed EEO policies that educated us troops on how ignorant, hurtful and stupid racism was. I saw a First Sergeant be demoted for racial slurs and receive an Article 15. More importantly we learned that to survive we had to stick together. Truth be told, I never had an African American friend before the Army and it was because I was prejudiced and I was wrong. Even today standing up against racial discrimmination is the most difficult act for me to do and without the steadfastness I learned in the Army and my faith I be a worse coward.

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"Truth be told, I never had an African American friend before the Army and it was because I was prejudiced and I was wrong.  Even today standing up against racial discrimmination is the most difficult act for me to do and without the steadfastness I learned in the Army and my faith I be a worse coward."

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who warned us that, "Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired, signifies in the final sense a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed."

"I hate war as only a soldier who has lived it can, only as one who has seen its brutality, its futility, its stupidity."

"I think that people want peace so much that one of these days government had better get out of their way and let them have it."

In 1967 Johnson appointed Thurgood Marshall to the supreme court...  And then which Demo Pres appointed another black to a high level position within the adminstration?  who?!

Ok... hummm Colin Powell, Condy Rice, Clarence Thomas...   come to mind... You may disagree with them, but fact is, that under repubs  blacks have a better shot...