"I'm an Alaskan, not an American," Vogler is quoted as saying  elsewhere on the party’s website. "I've got no use for America or her damned institutions."...
   AIP founding father, separatist Joe Vogler

[AIP: the party of which TODD PALIN WAS RECENTLY A MEMBER ... how's that for "palling" ]

How about Mrs. Obama Ben Lyin and her distaste for America. It seems that is closer to home, the wife of the wannabe as opposed to someone who may have had some conseravtion with the husband of the VP candidate. OR, how about Hussein himself and his contempt for America. Drink more Kool Aid but keep the vodka out of it.

you're right ... it's a big conspiracy.  They're actually Muslims & terrorists & they're going to take over the country & run it into the toilet ... err ... except that someone already beat them to it.

(and those really aren't voices in your head ... it's God speaking to you)

bash america that is.  Travel a bit, and you will find that even in the "Enlightened coutries" such as "canada" or Europe - or England.... choices on your life - are more limited.  and you pay much more for your "creature comforts"  

While some would argue - but they get free health care... and those who argue that - fail to point out that health care is RATIONED!  severely - be a 50-yr-old who needs a kidney transplant in the UK - it is NOT going to happen... but alas - when you point this out to those who love other countries... well?  they say, "you can still get that if you pay"  DUH!  So now you've paid for something all your life (healthcare) and now when you need it most, you must pay again... thanks.


As to those who want "'Merica to be like it ought to be back in them old days..."  I need to remind them as well, in no way would I wish to go back to enemies lists, blackballing... and the like.... enemies... whose?  

There was also the time when every summer, FEAR swept the nation - as communal swimming pools opened - and Polio season began...  our health system all but eradicated that sad disease from the American medical front...  

And need I remind those who are not born with abnormal pigmentation deficiency disease... ya know - white honkeys... segregation was a serious plague - it kept many very productive creative and hard working people from contributing to our society to the fullest of their capacity...  

So I do not wish to go there... but there are those who do.

what are we left with?  a pretty good country - but a fucked up political system that insists on providing us with candidates, carefully selected from thousands of citizens who are not really up to the job.  While there is much to admire in both candidates, admiration for parts of a persons life, does not automatically translate into my willingness to say that they are able to be POTUS....

just not in the cards....

"toilet"? You poor bastard. One of the problem with you sophmores is that you have lived a live of ease. No work, no worry, just party hard and complain harder. "Everything is free and if some else has something, turn green with envy and red with anger." Yep, that is the way of the pseudo-libs.

wipe that foam off your mouth ... you sound as neurotic as the candidate you're supporting.




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So how many bombs did this guy plant.  Political beliefs and opinions are a little different thatn bombs. Beliefs are rightly protected

Also, you are talking about the vice-presidential candidate's husband's association, not with this individual, but with the a group to which the person belongs.

A little different than the presidential candidate actually associating with the person and launching his career from the guys living room.

" ... the presidential candidate actually associating with the person and launching his career from the guys living room "
 
Let's see you document this statement?

Whether you believe it's germane to BHO's character or not, it's still all true.

it concludes:

"Verdict: False. There is no indication that Ayers and Obama are now "palling around," or that they have had an ongoing relationship in the past three years. Also, there is nothing to suggest that Ayers is now involved in terrorist activity or that other Obama associates are."

READ your own "Exhibit A"

Sheesh, what's "still all true" Einstein??

Nor "blaming America." One step beyond blaming the government is the desire to secede. I mean, that's a way to solve a "problem."

You clearly were denying that proof existed that BHO neither associated with Ayers nor launched his career from Ayer’s living room.

I simply gave you verification. Read your own post.

So now that it’s proven, it doesn’t really matter to you since the only things of consequence are those that happened within the past three years? Laughable

You must be delusional. No one denied an "association"  ... the relevant question is the nature of that association.  Did they plan attacks together??  Did Obama condone Ayers' activities?  

And where do you get "launched his career from Ayer’s living room" ????

The Keating/McCain association would be more troubling, but frankly even that is inconsequential.

I'll leave you to your trivial distraction.  See you at the inauguration.

The other people have documented it. You are as blind as can be because Obama admits being on the same boards as he was and he admits other associations.  Do you want video?

It was launching BHO's political career that was referenced.

ANY association with Ayers, ANY at all, denotes horrendous judgment on the part of BHO.

Anyone that willingly and knowingly shared the same oxygen with Ayers, let alone worked with Ayers and shared Ayers goals (regardless of their apparent ‘nobility’) does not deserve my respect.

You obviously are glad to ignore BHO on this.

You really need to research the AIP more and they are more states rights and think they should have been allowed that vote and it is more a formality then desire.

wow....you, a closet seccessionist? ..who'da thunk it!

Hey Kool, Maybe when BHO makes Osama Bin Ladin his secretary of defense you'll be whistling out the other side of your liberal ass.

Believe me I am from SC and know what a seccessionist is and   Palin is not  one. Look  at their website :


To effect full compliance with the constitutions of the United States of America and the State of Alaska.

To support and defend States' Rights, Individual Rights, Property Rights, and the Equal Footing Doctrine as guaranteed by the constitutions of the United States of America and the state of Alaska.

http://www.akip.org/platform.html

Well if the shit goes sour in the northren most regions of Minnesota, I guess I can always move to Alaska... I here young eskimo prostitutes are abundant and cheap! Are there any cute eskimos or do they all look like little sumo-girls??

Silly Joe Vogler, he shouldn't have tried to by explosives from criminals... Anybody knows if you're gonna stay safe, you gotta make that stuff yourself!