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The Big Bang just keeps getting bigger and better.
By Thomas Barnett:

¡ö"Syria Turns Over A Top Insurgent, Iraq Officials Say: Half-Brother of Hussein Seen as Financing Insurgent Attacks," by John F. Burns, New York Times, 28 February 2005, p. A1.

¡ö"How Lebanese Drive To Oust the Syrian Finally Caught Fire: Killing of Ex-Prime Minister Capped Events With a Link To U.S. Mideast Initiatives," by Bill Spindle, Wall Street Journal, 28 February 2005, p. A1.

¡ö"Lebanon's Pro-Syria Government Quits After Protests," by Hassan M. Fattah, New York Times, 1 March 2005, p. A1.

¡ö"Mideast Mix: New Promise of Democracy and Threat of Instability: A ripple effect of Iraqi and Palestinian elections is seen," by Steven R. Weisman, New York Times, 1 March 2005, p. A10.

¡ö"Allah and Democracy Can Get Along Fine: Iraq's neighbors show how Islamic politics is evolving," by Dilip Hiro, New York Times, 1 March 2005, p. A23.


None of this would happen, we were told by regional experts galore. The Big Bang was fantasy. There would be no ripple effect, just blowback and another Vietnam/Afghanistan. Bush and his neocons were reckless and unmindful of history. Imperial hubris, we were told.

Tell me those troops die in vain when you watch what's happened in the Middle East since the start of the year: elections in Palestine, elections in Iraq, elections in Saudi Arabia, the pullouts beginning by Israel, a cabinet half full of PhDs for Palestine, negotiations between a duly elected Iraqi government and Sunni insurgents, Syria promising to pull out of Lebanon, Syria handing over Saddam's half-brother, Mubarek calling for multiparty elections in Egypt this year, Lebanon's pro-Syria government shouted out of power.

How did Lebanon catch fire?:

The vocal surge, so sudden it astonished even those who helped stir, is the biggest challenge to the Syrian presence in Lebanon since the occupation began three decades ago. How it happened shows the way more-aggressive U.S. policies in the Middle East¡ªfrom the invasion of Iraq to President Bush's rhetoric about fostering democracy¡ªare mingling with local politics to jostle once-unquestioned realities in the region.
Now the pro-Syrian PM has resigned and:

Lebanese opposition leaders say they feel that the Damascus government in more vulnerable than ever and that this is the moment to act, especially as Lebanon's wary communities of Sunni Muslims, Shiite Muslims, Christians and Druse have grown more united in their demands for the Syrians to leave.
Read this and I dare you not to find some real hope:

"In scenes reminiscent of protest in the United States in the 1960's, protesters rushed to get to the site of the demonstration, just yards away fromo Mr. Hariri's grave, and camped through the night, waving Lebanese flags as anthems played on. Many handed flowers to the soldiers and beseeched them to cooperate with them. Despite orders to prevent demonstrators from entering the area, soldiers eventually relented to the flood of largely young protestors on Monday, and the demonstration carried on peacefully."


Will this all work out in our favor? Hardly. But that wasn't the point of the Big Bang, simply setting in motion change was.

Yes, there will dangers along the way. But tell me that any of this happens when it does without the invasion of Iraq. Bush is engineering his own serious change in the Middle East, with the simplest and most direct form of political connectivity there is: the ballot box.



-- Modified on 3/3/2005 8:58:03 AM

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That's a quote from former Clinton aide Nancy Soderberg, talking about Iraq with John Stewart on the Daily Show the other night.

Pathetic.

RLTW

bananajoe5646 reads

If this was Bush's plan, why didn't he just say so in the beginning???????  And yes, I know that "democracy" was one of the rationals for war, but it was rarely heard as the neo-bots kept on saying "WMD"S, WMD's" over and over and over.  Are Bush's policies really the driving force in the area?  For example, how much credit can he really take for the Palastinian elections??  Their situation derived from the death of Arafat, right?  To be honest, if this all works out (which I certainly hope it does), it would seem Bush will become the accidental democratic philosopher.  He repeatedly chided the Clinton administration (and thus Gore) during the 2000 election for its role in "nation-building" efforts, yet its this same nation-building that may be the legacy of his presidency.

So, if nation-building was one of Bush's great philisophical tenets to justify the war, he could've just said so at right from the start, explained that he had changed his position  -  or, that he flip-flopped ;)  -  and many more people would've been on his side.

Also, I think at this point cautious optimism is a little more pragmatic than a declaration of victory of Bush's policies.  It is a shame if their are liberals out there hoping for disaster, and I am not one of them.  Either way, it still doesn't excuse Bush's disasterous domestic policies, but thats another thread.....;)

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'TRANSFORMING THE MIDDLE EAST'

BY DR. CONDOLEEZA RICE
NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISOR

U.S. WHITE HOUSE

The Washington Post

August 7, 2003

Soon after the conclusion of World War II, America committed itself to the long-term transformation of Europe. Surveying the war's death and destruction -- including the loss of hundreds of thousands of American lives -- our policymakers set out to work for a Europe where another war was unthinkable. We and the people of Europe committed to the vision of democracy and prosperity, and together we succeeded.

Today America and our friends and allies must commit ourselves to a long-term transformation in another part of the world: the Middle East. A region of 22 countries with a combined population of 300 million, the Middle East has a combined GDP less than that of Spain, population 40 million. It is held back by what leading Arab intellectuals call a political and economic "freedom deficit." In many quarters a sense of hopelessness provides a fertile ground for ideologies of hatred that persuade people to forsake university educations, careers and families and aspire instead to blow themselves up -- taking as many innocent lives with them as possible.

These ingredients are a recipe for regional instability -- and pose a continuing threat to America's security.

Our task is to work with those in the Middle East who seek progress toward greater democracy, tolerance, prosperity and freedom.

As President Bush said in February, "The world has a clear interest in the spread of democratic values, because stable and free nations do not breed ideologies of murder. They encourage the peaceful pursuit of a better life."

Let us be clear: America and the coalition went to war in Iraq because Saddam Hussein's regime posed a threat to the security of the United States and to the world. This was a regime that pursued, had used and possessed weapons of mass destruction; had links to terror; twice invaded other nations; defied the international community and 17 U.N. resolutions for 12 years -- and gave every indication that it would never disarm and never comply with the just demands of the world.

Today that threat is gone. And with the liberation of Iraq, there is a special opportunity to advance a positive agenda for the Middle East that will strengthen security in the region and throughout the world. We are already seeing evidence of a new commitment to forging ahead with peace among Israelis and Palestinians.

At the Red Sea Summits in June, Israelis, Palestinians and neighboring Arab states united behind the vision the president has set forth -- a vision of two states, Israel and Palestine, living side by side in peace and security. Israeli leaders increasingly understand that it is in Israel's own interest for Palestinians to govern themselves in a viable state that is peaceful, democratic and committed to fighting terror. Palestinian leaders increasingly understand that terror is not a means to Palestinian statehood but instead the greatest obstacle to statehood.

The end of Saddam Hussein's regime also reinforces the progress already underway across the region. Arab intellectuals have called for Arab governments to address the freedom deficit. Regional leaders have spoken of a new Arab charter that champions internal reform, greater political participation, economic openness and free trade. From Morocco to the Persian Gulf, nations are taking genuine steps toward political and economic openness. The United States supports these steps, and we will work with our friends and allies in the region for more.

Even greater opportunities will come once Hussein's criminal regime is replaced by an Iraqi government that is just, humane and built upon democratic principles. Much as a democratic Germany became a linchpin of a new Europe that is today whole, free and at peace, so a transformed Iraq can become a key element of a very different Middle East in which the ideologies of hate will not flourish. And in the nearly 100 days since major combat operations ended in Iraq, the Iraqi people have reclaimed their country and begun to forge a more hopeful future. As this transition to freedom continues, America will work with other nations to help Iraqis achieve greater security and greater opportunity.

The transformation of the Middle East will not be easy, and it will take time. It will require the broad engagement of America, Europe and all free nations, working in full partnership with those in the region who share our belief in the power of human freedom. This is not primarily a military commitment but one that will require us to engage all aspects of our national power -- diplomatic, economic and cultural. For instance, President Bush has launched the Middle East Partnership Initiative to bind us together in building a better future through concrete projects. He further has proposed establishing a U.S.-Middle East free trade area within a decade, to bring the people of the region into an expanding circle of opportunity.

For all its problems, the Middle East is a region of tremendous potential. It is the birthplace and spiritual home of three of the world's great faiths, and an ancient center of learning and tolerance and progress. It is filled with talented, resourceful people who -- when blessed with greater political and economic freedom and better, more modern education -- can fully join in the progress of our times.

America is determined to help the people of the Middle East achieve their full potential. We will act because we want greater freedom and opportunity for the people of the region, as well as greater security for people in America and throughout the world

Tusayan4683 reads

As has been her history throughout her time in the Bush administration, this statement from Condi is full of lies and half truths. She must have thought she was testifying before Congress.
As we all know now, Saddam did not pose a risk to the US national security, thus the whole rationale for the war was a lie.  "Bush's vision" for separate Israeli and Palestinian states? Gee, no one's ever proposed that one before, so of course Bush gets credit.

The entire Middle East has a GDP less than Spain? Not quite.  In 2003 Spain's GDP according to the CIA was less than $900 billion.  The GDP of just Saudi Arabia, Egypt and Iran was mroe than $1 trillion.

Just more lies and Bushcrement from Condi. In other words, business as usual for this administration.

RLTW3744 reads

2003 Ranking and GDP according to the World Bank:

No.  8, Spain at $836 billion
No. 26, Saudi Arabia at $188 billion
No. 34, Iran at $137 billion
No. 42, Egypt at $82 billion

Using simple addition, I get a combined GDP of $407 billion. Not sure how that equals "more than $1 trillion".

Were you lying? Or is it a "half truth" based on poor math skills? ;-)

RLTW


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-- Modified on 3/7/2005 12:54:11 PM

We are living thru a rare time in history when we actually get to to see """"in real time"""" people who are proving to have benn HUGELY WRONG on epic issues.

Unreal.

BK

I sure hope you work as a brain for the CIA or NSA or FBI or ATF or even better yet--- ARE A HIGH SCHOOL SOCIAL STUDIES TEACHER!!!! Cause you da man!!!!

spreading democracy throughout the world cannot be done by use of the gun

negative reinforcement doesnt work

the second our troops leave the area, chaos will again reign

so enjoy the illusion while it lasts

and as far as i recall, wasnt it bush who stated that the us forces should never be used for nation building?

oh, and since we have been in afghanistan, it has returned to the top in the world as opium producers

hooray for democracy

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The Afghani and Iraqi people went out and voted at gun point. The Lebanese went out and denounced their government and demanded the withdrawal of an occupying force from their country, all at gun point.

And those subtle realities make it crystal clear as to who's on the correct side of history.

RLTW

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You know, if the Bush Admin had been the driving force behind our revolution, the reactionary ideologues currently claiming themselves "liberal" and "progressive" would probably be frothing out the same nonsense as they are now.

RLTW

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