Then I put it to you that you have fallen short in your studies and research of the paradigm that is the Middle East.
Considering the 1.5 billion Muslim Arabs (and the not insignificant percentage of non-Muslims seduced by Arab lies, propaganda, and an already existing foundation of canards about Jewish people) who clamor daily for the destruction of Israel and the United States outnumber the worlds Jewish population by a ratio of 12500 to 1. Approximately.
I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say that I would bet the ratio of Arab terrorists to Jewish extremists is even greater still. 10000000 to 1 is not an unrealistic ratio in my opinion.
But it is, after all, just one persons opinion.
Children on a bus, or in a pizzeria, or at a hotel eating Passover dinner, these are people who could be called defenseless.
Children who are told by their parents and leaders to throw rocks at heavily armed soldiers worried about being ambushed are not defenseless.
They are pawns and victims of an egregiously loathsome evil. Their own parents are sending them off to die like dreck because their leadership has so thoroughly indoctrinated them to be mindless fools for a violent and unwinnable cause thats WRONG to begin with!
Continue to support these animals, Xiaoming. These animals have killed more than a dozen of my family, and left me with a permanent gimp leg.
I've witnessed first hand their complete lack of respect for life. Not just Jewish life, ANY life.
You may proclaim for all the world to hear and see your American patriotism being tied in to your anti-Israel stance.
You may proclaim for all the world your indignation at being called anti-Semitic.
You may continue to post your cynical and insidious comments about Arik Sharon and Israel and American support of the State of Israel.
Someday... when all but me and one or two others have forgotten about this post....you might even decide to post your response to Epilogue part 2... but by then you will have spun it into some sort of Israeli conspiracy to fly planes into tall buildings. Oh wait, the Arabs already do that.
Happy Thanksgiving.
-- Modified on 11/24/2005 11:01:58 AM
Sharon Quits Likud to Pursue Peacemaking
By AMY TEIBEL
JERUSALEM (AP) - Prime Minister Ariel Sharon said Monday he gambled and broke away from his hardline Likud Party because he did not want to squander peacemaking opportunities created by Israel's pullout from the Gaza Strip or waste time with political wrangling.
Sharon, whose split from Likud electrified Israeli politics and set the stage for likely March elections, ruled out unilateral withdrawals from the West Bank, however. He also said he remains committed to the internationally backed "road map" plan, which calls for a negotiated peace deal culminating in a Palestinian state.
"There is no additional disengagement plan," he told a televised news conference, referring to the summer's Gaza withdrawal. "There is the road map."
Sharon's decision to form a new party he described as "liberal" cemented his transformation from the hawkish patron of Israel's settler movement to a moderate peacemaker reconciled to the inevitability of a Palestinian state.
Weekend polls indicated Sharon, Israel's most popular politician, could marshal enough support to return to the prime minister's office for a third term at the head of a moderate coalition.
Palestinians said the developments created new prospects for peacemaking, which ground to a halt during five years of violence.
"I believe this is an eruption of an Israeli political volcano, and I hope that when the dust settles, we will have a partner in Israel to go toward ... a final arrangement," said Palestinian negotiator Saeb Erekat.
Sharon said he turned his back on former Likud allies who opposed his Gaza withdrawal because life within the party had become "insufferable."
"The Likud in its present configuration cannot lead the nation to its goals," said Sharon, the first sitting Israeli prime minister to quit his party.
The Gaza pullout created a "historic opportunity," he said. "I will not allow anyone to squander it."
Four small settlements in the northern West Bank were also evacuated along with Gaza, and Sharon said, as he has in the past, that additional West Bank settlements would be dismantled under a final peace deal.
But he reiterated that Israel would hold on to major settlement blocs in the West Bank where most of Israel's 235,000 settlers live, and demanded that Palestinians disarm militant groups.
Sharon set dramatic events in motion late Sunday with his decision to leave the party he co-founded more than 30 years ago with dreams of hanging onto the West Bank, Gaza Strip and east Jerusalem - lands captured in the 1967 Mideast war and claimed by the Palestinians for a state.
His decision to pull Israel out of Gaza touched off a bitter rebellion by former Likud allies. They failed to block the pullout, which enjoyed widespread support in Israel, but seeking revenge for Sharon's perceived treachery, continued going head-to-head with him in parliament.
On Monday, Sharon went to President Moshe Katsav to ask him to dissolve parliament, the Knesset, and move up elections to early March from their scheduled November date.
Katsav has yet to declare whether he would disband the legislature or let parliament dissolve itself - an option some lawmakers favor because that could buy them more time to campaign. While awaiting his decision, the Knesset voted Monday to disband, but needs to vote three more times to clear the way for early elections.
Sharon's push for March elections enjoys the support of Labor Party leader Amir Peretz, who heads Israel's second-largest faction in the Knesset.
Although Sharon has thrown off the constraints of Likud, peacemaking in the short term will be put on hold by Israel's elections and Jan. 25 balloting for the Palestinian parliament.
Efforts to jump-start peace moves after those votes could run into trouble if Hamas militants make a strong showing in the Palestinian balloting. Sharon has said he would not negotiate with a Palestinian government that includes Hamas.
Sharon's departure from Likud sets the stage for a turbulent election campaign, pitting him against a hawkish rump Likud and Peretz, a charismatic union leader who has rejuvenated the Labor Party with an appeal to previously alienated Jews of Middle Eastern ancestry.
Centrist political parties historically don't fare well in politically polarized Israel, and some said Sharon was taking a big gamble.
"He's always been a risk-taker," said Shmuel Sandler, a political studies professor at Bar-Ilan University. "He would have won the election (in a walk) if he had stayed in Likud, but he didn't stay because he felt they were going to put chains on him."
Still, Sandler said, neither Labor nor Likud would be able to attract enough support to cobble together a government. Sharon "will be the only one who can form a coalition," he said.
Labor, at Peretz's prodding, voted Sunday to pull out of Sharon's government, which it joined last year to ensure the Gaza pullout. Labor's withdrawal forced Sharon to make his decision now instead of closer to the originally scheduled November elections.
Peretz, a political dove who wants to increase social spending, has said he would consider teaming up with Sharon again under the right coalition lineup.
There was speculation that Labor veteran Shimon Peres would join with Sharon, but Peres didn't spell out his plans Monday.
Sharon wasn't considered likely to seek a coalition with Likud.
"Otherwise he would have stayed in the Likud Party and agreed to the opposition of the so-called rebels," said Avraham Brichta, a political science professor at the University of Haifa.
Likud's acting Likud chairman, Tzahi Hanegbi, said the party would elect a new leader quickly. The top contender is former Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, who opposed the Gaza pullout.
Which one is more sincere : Ari Sharon's pursuit of peace OR OJ's pursuit of Nicole's killer?
Very Big Grin and LOL! [on this end].
Tsk tsk, Xioming, I was beginning to believe we'd made progress towards civility. I found the comparison quite insulting, to be frank with you.
Show me a single Arab leader who would make such a move? Oh wait, I have one actually, Anwar Sadat. And his own people, including his right hand man Hosni Mubarak ASSASSINATED him because of it. At least Rabin, when he was killed, was killed by a lone radical, not the organized opposition.
Ariel Sharon has just put his life in extreme peril from his own people because of his brave political shift. The least you can do is acknowledge it. Instead, you throw out this obnoxious comment. Thats like the fucking Hezbollah vermin lobbing grenades into an Israeli farm to get the IDF to retaliate so they can call for revenge and kill 30 people in a pizza parlor for it. And you support these animals?
you wanna know why America supports Israel in its battle against Arab AND Islamist terrorism? Because its the correct thing to do.
And, with all due consideration and respect, where is your response to Epilogue part 2?
gave XiaomingLover considerably more credit than he deserved. To be frank, you may be the only one on this board who cares about his response to Epilogue part 2. For most of us, his psuedo-intellectual, interminable responses are boring beyond belief! Spare us any more of this - please.
if they want to talk, that's what the boards are for; and nobody is twisting anybody's arm to read anything. You can't know who is lurking & listening, and you shouldn't be discouraging that - it creates traffic for TER, which benefits the hobby.
If he makes you retch, tell him to his face.
Their measured responses have made it possible to discuss this subject more sanely than on most political boards, and they deserve credit for that.
So relax. It won't kill you to ignore a post.
pearl of legal wisdom:If you want to post SH-T why not QUIT?.....
Riem, sorry, I don't get it?
Wait, it came to me over Thanksgiving - you're goofing on me, right?
Well BS might be in the nostrils, or under the foot, of the beholder.
Let me share this one with you as you have inspired me :
If you don't like what you read
Post a wild screed?
Hope you had a great Thanksgiving.
-- Modified on 11/27/2005 5:16:15 PM
Sorry, still not getting it. I can't seem to make the conection.
Help!?
Stilltryin, to me it's not just a matter of disagreeing with a poster's views but having to face monday morning quarterbacking from a poster who continuously evades facts to suit his inclination to impugn israeli motives and the loyalty to the US of neocons such as Wolfowitz,Kristol and others(hope you get my point).In this conspiratorial view it's the neocons not the religious televangelists that are responsible for US policy towards israel.When confronted with the known fact that the jews accepted the '47 UN partition of palestine and the palestinians rejection of it, his response:yea, but jews knew they'd get more than they had... That's what I call SH.TTY posting!
Hope you get the point
Riem, this one was SO over the top I had a headache from laughing. And you're not embarrased to post stuff like this? C'mon? I'm betting you're a great guy apart from your knee-jerk Zionism.
1. Impugning Isreali motives? No more than you and like-minded posters impugn the motives of the Palestinians, the Arabs, and the Moslems generally [and this may shock you, or not, but basically I'm with you there - my only problem is that I won't breathlessly and unquestioningly accept every word and deed of the Israelis. Shame on me!] Sorry, the Israelis simply do not get a pass, diffucult as this seems to be for you to accept.
2. The NeoCons? Riem I think it was you in an earlier post [but I might be mistaken] who brought up the point, implicitly trying to accuse me of anti-Semitiem [as you likewise do in this post] that "..if it walks like a duck, talks like a duck..." Well, I can't help noticing that the NeoCons like Wolfwowitz and Pearl and Bolton and Libby and...have been able to promote policies within the US which do frightfully little good for US interests in the Near East but serve awfully well the interests of Israel. So, hence, I've gotta wonder just exactly how they feel about their duties and responsibilities to the US versus thier political/emotional/religious attachments to Israel. It's not a pretty question, but they promote very ugly policies. to the ultimate detriment of ALL americans Jew and gentile alike. Or can you not grasp that? Or do you refuse to grasp that?
3. The Religious Right? Come on you're making me vomit! You've got NO PROBLEM with the political support the US religious right delivers to policies favorable to Israel, but you otherwise imply that you're not as one with them and you want me to believe that the RR televangelists and not the NeoCons are responsible for these political mistakes. Riem, you're going to be the laughingstock of this board if you expect anyone to take THAT seriously. I mean, lame as I appear to others, this argument on YOUR part reeks of absolute and outright desperation.
4. I thought my point re the UN Partion Plan in 1947 was excellent. You, however, probably never considered my counterargument and so hence it was total BS? There's life outside of AIPAC, Riem, and opinions other than those propagated by Americans For A Safe Israel.
5. Please let me know what substantiv points I've evaded? I'll be happy to try to address them. Or is this just a rhetorical trope on your part?
Speaking of evasions, several days [if not weeks] ago, i asked you to please point out anything anti-Semitic i've posted by way of the question of US support of Israel. You have not. I also asked you to post 1 [one] benefit that derives to the US from its policies of support of Israel. You have not. I'm still waiting, and i'm not even going to accuse you of being evasive. Simply of being unable to do the impossible might be the more approriate observation.
6. Monday-morning quarterbacking. Stop. Israel's actions potentially endanger every American, whether you want to acknowledge this or not, by engendering more hatred of the US on the part of the Arab masses. Hence, my total right to criticize them, even at the risk of your disapproval.
Riem, if my posts are BS then I've got to wonder if not your posts are a herd of diarrhaeic[spelling?] cattle.
I think the point Riem was trying to make was that my posts are BS and I ought not to waste time posting them on the Board?
Brevity is the soul of wit, and while Riem certainly nailed the first pary in his response, he's still got to work on fulfilling the second condition.
How about, as long as we're honoring the memory of the late Johnny Cochran :
When you don't like what you read
Respond with a screed!
DoctorGonzo, please, get a grip - that's why I wrote "apologies In Advance" [crummy punctuation included].
I promise NOT to take umbrage if you can work this little jibe out in a way that criticizes someone or something I hold dear. Given my almost lethal levels of cynicism, however, you've got yer work cut out for you.
I'm hoping Arik is sincere and that I will be proved to be totally wrong in everything I've ever thought about the portly PM. Time will tell.
Still several rsponses behind, please don't feel as if I'm slighting you and your comrades in arms. After all, i'm a polemicist. I see Riem and a few others are really ganging up on me! It will come, please be patient as this is one of the best postings you're ever sent me, and unfortunately this is one of the only times of the year I CANNOT plausibly duck out of family [ick] get-togethers. [My relations are so repulsive i think of these events more as family get-away froms - LOL I hope. But before you jump to any hasty conclusions - they as well DO NOT share my esoteric political sensibilities].
Peace and good health.
Thank you. Very gracious of you.
There have been several Arab leaders that have supported peace with Israel. King Hussein is a prime example, so is his son. What do you think would happen if the Jordain power structure tacitly encourage the millions of Palestinians in the country to radicalize. A large part of the Jordanian power elite behaviour is self preservation, but a very large component is also due to a genuine deseire to live in peace with Israel.
You mentioned Mubarak only in a total negative, you failed to mention that he has whole heartedly pursued and expanded upon the iniatives started by Sadat.
Xiaoming was wrong to write his post, but I think that you were equally as wrong to belittle some large contributions to peace between Israelis and their Arab neighbors.
You are absolutely correct, consider me properly chastised for my oversight.
Mubarak has indeed followed through for the most part on the peace initiatives between egypt and israel, his rhetoric notwithstanding. The fact his government-controlled newspaper was the one that published the old Blood libel canard in modern form is part of the reason I am skeptical of his overall intentions. But yes, he does deserve mention for honoring the peace treaty with israel.
ditto jordan. King Hussein was probably the most enlightened of all Arab leaders vis a vis his view of the bigger political picture.
But to be very candid, and to acknowledge my own failing here, i have a hard time believing any arab leader is so enlightened as to truly want REAL peaceful coexistence and a mutually beneficial relationship with Israel. The necessities of modern world realpolitik may make it the expedient thing to do, but nonetheless, it still goes against their belief system, which is Islam. Thats where part of the long term problem has been, is, and will continue to be.
Thanks for your input st25, I stand corrected
he would have "won the election in a walk" if he'd stayed put.
Generally, I think it's probably easier for an Israeli to do this sort of thing than for an Arab - eg Sadat - simply because the constituency is different. Israelis are generally western, have generally high levels of education, and are generally more tolerant of dissent. Among the Arab states, where are you going to find support for this sort of compromise? Among the mullahs? the army?
You can think of warfare and any other cultural activities as a form of communication - after a while, people get tired of it and find a solution - but of course, not until they're tired of it. And some people are harder to communicate with than others.
you're right, getting tired is the key word. The only ones who don't get tired are the Mullah's who transmit their venom from one generation to the next through word of mouth & religious books!
Otherwise,a few generations down the path ordinary people begin to wonder what's this
conflict about?
"moral equivalent of war" and perhaps he was off base, that people seem to need an *emotional equivalent*.
It's amazing how wars seem to break out in generational cycles, and the people who are most enthusiastic about going are always the ones who haven't been there....eg Rush Limbaugh.
It could be that westerners are more sophisticated about this, using wars as a cover to carry out their own agenda, instead of just war for its own sake.
Why not line up the heads of governments and cabinet ministers of each side in a conflict, arm them to the teeth with the latest weapons and let them work it out between them while we watch on TV and root for our side.The advantages? much less body bags, balanced budgets and some entertainment......you get the idea. LOL
while its a good and well-aged idea, it still probly wouldn't kill the individual urge to go out & stir up trouble...it seems like that has to be beaten out of people...
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Sorry, I misinterpreted what you had in mind.I look at that individual urge as part of the "human condition".Keep in mind that the part of the brain capable of controlling those urges is in an early stage of development(on a genetic scale).Unfortunately, the "undomesticated" part of the brain far outweighs the domesticated part.Hopefully,evolution will gradually alter the ratio between the 2 parts but by then I'm afraid we'll all be dead....
... out to do the best he can for his country. Anybody who has followed his career will give him that. He is a military man and he has decided this is the best course of action. I hope it works.
And if it doesn't, one guess about who gets the blame, deserved or not?
And guess the NEW Israeli demands on the US for more support?
Ah, i'm such a cynic.
Yes, you are. so am i. But you're also a polemicist. and you seem unwilling to give an inch worth of the benefit of the doubt while spinning left and right all over the poor little defenseless Palestinian puppys.
I can be pretty sarcastic can't I!
DoctorGonzo, by now i think you realize that a post w/o sarcasm and without humor is probably not worth posting and not worth reading.
The more the better as far as I'm concerned [sometimes the sarcasm and humor is better than the actual subject matter].
I think I've conceded a lot in our various missives, and on some things, as we've both observed, we're not as far apart as it might seem.
but I try to hold my position as best I can; so tosome it seems like a compulsive need to get in the last word. To me it's just a skilled and dogged defense of the position I hold. Call me self-deluded but...
Fire away at the Palestinians. I don't support them existentially or to any greater extent than I do any other group. Just their right to resist Israel's political domination [which is THE basic problem under discussion], and only in ways which do not prejudice the well-being of the US and are aimed at the central institutions of the Israeli polity.
It is funny, but in sarcastic references away from this board, i have in fact use the term defenseless to describe the Palestinians.
Then I put it to you that you have fallen short in your studies and research of the paradigm that is the Middle East.
Considering the 1.5 billion Muslim Arabs (and the not insignificant percentage of non-Muslims seduced by Arab lies, propaganda, and an already existing foundation of canards about Jewish people) who clamor daily for the destruction of Israel and the United States outnumber the worlds Jewish population by a ratio of 12500 to 1. Approximately.
I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say that I would bet the ratio of Arab terrorists to Jewish extremists is even greater still. 10000000 to 1 is not an unrealistic ratio in my opinion.
But it is, after all, just one persons opinion.
Children on a bus, or in a pizzeria, or at a hotel eating Passover dinner, these are people who could be called defenseless.
Children who are told by their parents and leaders to throw rocks at heavily armed soldiers worried about being ambushed are not defenseless.
They are pawns and victims of an egregiously loathsome evil. Their own parents are sending them off to die like dreck because their leadership has so thoroughly indoctrinated them to be mindless fools for a violent and unwinnable cause thats WRONG to begin with!
Continue to support these animals, Xiaoming. These animals have killed more than a dozen of my family, and left me with a permanent gimp leg.
I've witnessed first hand their complete lack of respect for life. Not just Jewish life, ANY life.
You may proclaim for all the world to hear and see your American patriotism being tied in to your anti-Israel stance.
You may proclaim for all the world your indignation at being called anti-Semitic.
You may continue to post your cynical and insidious comments about Arik Sharon and Israel and American support of the State of Israel.
Someday... when all but me and one or two others have forgotten about this post....you might even decide to post your response to Epilogue part 2... but by then you will have spun it into some sort of Israeli conspiracy to fly planes into tall buildings. Oh wait, the Arabs already do that.
Happy Thanksgiving.
-- Modified on 11/24/2005 11:01:58 AM
Many of the Palestinian kids throwing rocks are doing so because they do not have any other avenue to pursue. It is simplistic to ignore that fact that Israeli policy as well as the policies of their won leaders are responsible for their plight. Blind support of Israel by the United States without accountability introduced into that support is just as foolish as having moderate Arab leaders ignoring the butchery of their extremists. In my opinion the most balanced group that is involved with bring about peace between Israelis and Palestinians is the European Union. The EU is attemnpting to analyze and fix the reasons why kids throw rocks at heavily armored soldiers instead of increasing the armor and lethality of those soldiers.
As long as the USA is seen as being a blind adherent to a policy you can expect the number of radicals to increase. The simple reason is that those who are moderate will have little alternative to offer young kids and their parents.
I recognize the validity of your points. But how about the Arabs start by not teaching their children to hate Jews and the Zionist Entity?
That would be a VERY good start, don't you agree?
You you post more often on this and related topics.
Most of us polemiscists in this thread might benefit.
You you post more often on this and related topics.
Most of us polemiscists in this thread might benefit.
You should post more often on this and related topics.
Most of us polemiscists in this thread might benefit.
DoctorGonzo, if I'm not mistaken I've already responded to your post, Epilogue, Part 2 several dys ago. I reposted it to you from it's original place in the thread. I'm afraid it's not going to meet with your approval. If I reposted a response to the incorrect post, please repost it if you will. Thanx.
Much emotion here. I wonder if, on this topic, emotion is the indispensible susbtitute for factual argument?
No point getting into a numbers game re the Arab population versus the Israeli poulation, the number of Arab terrorists versus the number of Israeli terrorists, the ratio of terrorist to non-terrorist withinh and between the two respective populations. I feel I've already conceded these points a long time ago, but you want to keep bringing them up for whatever good and for whatever purpopse it serves your line of argumentation. That's your choice.
Counterpoint - Jewish Israelis who move their famlies, includiing the elderly, children and even infants, into illegal settlements in the West Bank and Gaza, knowingly subjecting them and their loved ones to terrorist activity on the part of the Palestinians, no words of censure for them? They likewise are inducing others to be sacrificed to serve a broader political objective. I know, I know, this land is promised to them by God and it sez so right in the Bible. And who can resist the word of God?
No way to sugarcoat this, but you chose to put yourself in the line of fire, so to complain about harm that had befallen you as a consequence of this decision on your part, while natural, doesn't cut much ice with me. [Unless, of course, your decision to live on a kibbutz was a result of adult pressure and therefore see the point above?] I'm cerainly not buying it, and I'm sure there are other who are not buying it either. You are a victim as much as Rachel Corrie is a victim - you made your beds, you've got to sleep in them, please don't complain to me if you do not like what it's gotten you.
Well, it's no fun to be called anti-Semitic, but i'm used to it and it's inevitable in this discussion whenever I do not take the Israeli side. But I noticed that Israel and its supporters did not care to be called racist as a result of the UN Resolution in 1975. See, that cuts both ways. Namecalling is not a substitute.
As far as I'm concerned, to question and to oppose US support for Israel is an act of patriotism, be it the last refuge of the scoundrel or not. Year after year this country is drageed into one disaser after another by virtue of our support for the embattled state of Israel. I merely say enough is enough. But apparently that is too much for those who choose to worship at the altar of Israel's boundless and unquestionable virtue..
Yes, I will continue to post coments about Ari and Bibi and Sharansky and Israel and those who uncritically support Israel. And i'll enjoy doing so, especially when i can add a dollop of humor or irony or sarcasm as well. You are free to ignore them or to respond to them as you wish. It's too bad that you seem to feel that this is some great crime being committed on wmy part, but so be it.
091101. You've got to be careful mentioning THAT in any post regarding US support of Israel. Some impressionable but totally wrong-minded persons might start to wonder if there is a connection bettween the two. But we know better - that could only be the work of a disesed anti-Semitic paranoid conspiratoral mind at work. Right?
Peace and good health to you.
I think he came to realize as all Israeli PMs before him realized that constantly applying force against stupidity gets everyone nowhere.
Sharon has taken a bold move. The leader of the Palestinain side should join him fully in the effort to bring pragmatism and reason to a difficult, but solvable situation. Both are old men that have a limited number of years left in this world, if they bear forth with resolve and honest determination, they will be remembered with reverence by the huge majority Israelis and Palestinians for an eternity.
If Ari's actions match his words, I will be very happy to take back many of the harsh things I've writen about him.
But until then ... I'll have to wait and see.
Hope I'm wrong and hope I have to make good on my promise to apolgize.
Sharon is (and always was)a true patriot, with Israel's survival first and foremost on his mind who formed the likud party but now is willing to discard it-an act of statesmanship!(hopefully, some patriotic republicans would have the guts to follow his example and gut the RR).He and Peres have a chance to muster a moderate majority pushing aside the left & right extremes,again not a bad idea for us here!
Agreed, riem... but the extremists have their agenda... you realize of course, that Sharon has put himself in the same position as Rabin.
Sad to say, it would no longer surprise me if he met the same fate. Fanaticism can only lead to total destruction. I know from first hand from the microcosm of my own lifes experiences.
Shalom
I realize that it can happen and appreciate your experience. Being of Sharon's generation who fought in the '48 war, I'm really angered by the thought that it could happen at the hands of those for whom so much blood was shed!But I know that the majority are really tired of the endless conflict and are willing to give it a try. I'm sure that neither Sharon nor Peres have in mind a free giveaway..let's hope for the best!
Shalom & happy thanksgiving
My wishes are for Sharon's good health and for courage from the Palestian leader to join him in this bold and necessary move. Now is the time for anyone that wants a peaceful earth that is free of extremism to step forward and be counted.