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No, I don't think it's a good idea to grant blanket "legal status" to 12 million illegals. Twelve million people is like a whole new State.  

Legal status is very ambiguous. Let them stay for eight years, go home, come back.  What is the point of that?      

The question is, why?  Is it "our system was fucked up before, but now that it's fixed, go ahead and stay?"

With 12 million estimated illegal immigrants with falsified or missing documents, how can you know who came here when?

Immigration and Customs Enforcement is hardly  prepared for this. The best thing they could do for the immigration problem right now, IMHO is get that agency together.  

I could suggest a very un-liberal sounding step in the right direction: bring a corporate turn-around company in to totally revamp the ICE. Don't trust it to revamp itself. Give that company the power to hire and fire and reorganize it.  

Until the agency is functional, it doesn't matter what bad laws Congress throws at this.

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Let me break my self-imposed exile [briefly] to say :  good show, zin.  I knew you'd see it my way, eventully.

This is suppossed to "fix" the problem?  The same way Simpson-Mazzolli "fixed" it back in 1986?  Yeah, we see how well that's worked out.

Doenside -- if the proposed legislation fails to secure passage, we're still stuck with the current status quo.

So. it's still a "win-win" situation for those whose interest[s] are served by the current influx of undocumented aliens.

And the uber-pessimistic in me sees this really bad omen -- if, in the name of "security" we're now forced to stand in lines in out stocking feet for several hours at a time before being allowed to board an airliner, but if even that same security argument fails to allow the govt to get a handle on the undocumented alien problem, then there's simply no answer.

The profit blinded corporations in their relentless quest for ever cheaper labor and the touchy feely Liberals long ago seeing an imminent, burgeoning voting block have intentionally/unintentionally orchestrated the genocide of a once vibrant, productive culture that was the basis of this nation’s wealth and strength. Neither Republican nor Democrat is going to do what MUST be done, and with the continued help of NAFTA and “outsourcing” the coffin lid is irreversibly closing on the American middle class as a culture.

The electorate has been and will further be dumbed down.

The populace is angry and will grow in it’s animosity between cultures

Between the two the government will grow increasingly distant, and ultimately the opposite of what the signers of the Constitution envisioned.  


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PROFILE EM', DEPORT EM', OR SHOOT EM' (if need be).

Oh my god!! Did FR actually say that?
O’ you betchya!

How come it is universally accepted that convicted felons (even after serving their sentence of "rehabilitation") are denied the second Amendment Right to own a gun and furthermore not allowed to vote?  
The answer is they have ‘proven’ themselves a risk to society and therefore are both limited in their access to create any further mayhem along with no voice in the politics of society.

The magnitude of what this illegal immigrant/immigration problem poses in regards to costs to the tax payers, our English speaking Anglo culture and the very real potential in a few years of causing a ONE party system in our government is no less a threat than letting every John Q Public purchase, keep and store WMDs in their home.

 When you find a few cockroaches in your home you take measures to eradicate the problem because if you don’t you’ll soon be overrun by an infestation of them.
I’m not saying illegal immigrants are to be considered cockroaches; but we got 12,000,000 already in our home and they are breeding at a frenetic rate.


From The CATO Institute -- self-expalantory.

Can cut-rate gardening services, badly paid babysitters and 5 cents cheaper heads of lettuce really be all that important to Rubin?



Evolution, Immigration and Trade  

By Paul H. Rubin
Special to washingtonpost.com's Think Tank Town
Monday, May 7, 2007; 12:00 AM

It was once thought that humans are born as "blank slates" to be programmed by our families, culture and society. While those forces play an important role, evolutionary psychology teaches us that human behavior is also the product of the environment in which humanity evolved -- that many of our intuitions are ingrained because they contributed to our primitive ancestors' survival.

Public policy pays surprisingly little attention to evolutionary psychology. Yet there are many human intuitions and behaviors that influence contemporary policy issues -- sometimes in ways that are no longer useful or perhaps even harmful to humans flourishing. These intuitions are sometimes referred to as "folk economics," and one area in which they often emerge is the international economy.


Our primitive ancestors lived in a world that was essentially static; there was little societal or technological change from one generation to the next. This meant that our ancestors lived in a world that was zero sum -- if a particular gain happened to one group of humans, it came at the expense of another.

This is the world our minds evolved to understand. To this day, we often see the gain of some people and assume it has come at the expense of others. Economists have argued for more than two centuries that voluntary trade, whether domestic or international, is positive sum: it benefits both parties, or else the exchange wouldn't occur. Economists have also long argued that the economics of immigration -- immigrants coming here to exchange their labor for money that they then exchange for the products of other people's labor -- is positive sum. Yet our evolutionary intuition is that, because foreign workers gain from trade and immigrant workers gain from joining the U.S. economy, native-born workers must lose. This zero-sum thinking leads us to see trade and immigration as conflict ("trade wars," "immigrant invaders") when trade and immigration actually produce cooperation and mutual benefit, the exact opposite of conflict.

Conflict was common in the environment in which humans evolved. As primates, which are a very social order, our ancestors lived in relatively small groups in which everyone knew everyone else. Our minds are adapted to deal with populations of that size. Our ancestors made strong distinctions between members of the in-group and outsiders, and we still make such distinctions today -- social psychologists can create in-group and out-group feelings based on virtually any arbitrary difference between populations.

The in-group and out-group intuitions help fuel opposition to expanded trade and immigration. The public intuitively believes that the beneficiaries of such policies will be foreigners, and it is easy to arouse suspicion about those who are not part of our in-group. When coupled with zero-sum thinking, this is a powerful political tool. For instance, a domestic industry or collection of domestic workers, when having difficulty competing with foreign or immigrant competitors, can use innate dislike of outsiders when advocating for increased barriers.

As the evolutionary inheritors of small-group societies, our minds sometimes have difficulty appreciating risks, harms and benefits experienced by a large population. In a group of 100 people, when we observe something that has happened to someone, it is a reasonably likely event. In a society of 300 million, when we learn about something happening to one person, it may be an extremely unlikely event, but we often perceive it as likely when we see it on the news. This instinct also shapes our perspective on trade and immigration. We understandably have great sympathy for workers who lose their jobs because they can't compete with foreign workers, but we have difficulty appreciating the benefit that our nation of consumers gains from the products of foreign laborers.

As products of evolution, humans cannot help but be born with certain biases. But we are not condemned to this evolutionary programming; we can identify the biases and recognize when they lead us astray in the modern world. American history is marked by many periods of openness to trade and immigration, and those periods have often featured strong economic growth and human prosperity. However, American history has also seen many instances in which our zero-sum and anti-outsider intuitions reemerged, whether in the form of prohibitions against "dogs or Irishmen" or policies against "outsourcing."

A useful analogy is between speech and reading. All humans growing up in a normal environment learn to speak, but reading must be taught because it does not come naturally. Folk economic beliefs are like speech -- we get them without trying. A deeper understanding of economics is like reading -- it must be taught.

America's success in lowering its barriers to outsiders shows that we can and do learn. But like reading, we must teach each generation anew.

Paul H. Rubin is the Samuel Candler Dobbs Professor of Economics and Law at Emory University and the author of Darwinian Politics: The Evolutionary Origin of Freedom (Rutgers University Press, 2002). He has been writing a series on evolution and economic behavior for the Cato Institute's journal Regulation.




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Unless fines so big as to put business out of business who hire ILLegals are levied;

End the stupidity of granting instant citizenship to the newborn of ILLegals;

And make it both very uncomfortable and downright dangerous to be an ILLegal; all the posturing and pontificating will only serve as a eulogy at our Anglo cultures burial.

me and MSD on THE SAME SIDE of an issue?

Immagration is going to forever change life in North America and the GREAT Migration North picks up steam.



Maybe make ICE-boarder guard or whatever the heck it is a branch of the FBI.  Maybe they would straighten them out and raise the morale and lower the bureaucracy?  Probably not lower the bureaucracy.

Anyway, I'm fed up.  The only 2 car accidents I've had in the last 10 years have been with uninsured ilegal aliens.  And both times I whimped out and paid thru the nose.

I just think that we should just tell all the illegal aliens and all the other illegal aliens that they have 90 days to get their houses, furniture, belongings and all their other crap shipped out or sold and then get the f**k out of the USA.

If that crazy bill passes, not only will we have 12 million illegal aliens becoming citizens, but another 12 MILLION WILL COME POURING ACROSS THE BOARDER!!!JUST LIKE A SWARM OF LOCUSTS!!!  MILLIONS FROM CHINA; MILLIONS FROM MEXICO (cause Mexico is really f**ked up--almost as bad as Afghanistan)--MILLIONS FROM IRAQ, EGYPT, NIGERIA (Nigerians are infamous con-artists.  

Millions more people from all over.  The US WILL BE OVERWHELMED AND TRANSFORMED!!!

nOW, I'm not saying that all the illegal aliens are bad people.  Probably only 20% or so would resort to crime.  That number alone would break the legal system.  The US will cease to exist.

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