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Re:Casting him out?
Officer Cartman 59 Reviews 2159 reads
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He's still leading in the polls.  But turnout for primaries are usually low, and it is expected that there will be a large turnout of "true believers".  The internet bloggers are rallying the troops.

He's a 3 time Senator and believes that enough moderates from both sides would vote for him in a general election.  Who knows?

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There is a very strong chance he will lose the Democratic primary.  He has already begun collecting the 7,500 signatures necessary to run as an Independent.  They have to get in by the day after the primary.  He feels he can still win reelection as an Independent.

Wasn't he the Democrat's hand picked #2 just 6 years ago?  It seems like "The Open Tent" party is casting another one out for not walking lock step. They got rid of the pro-life Democrats in 92 and now the pro-Iraq Democrats in 06.  Hillary is allowd to stay because everyone knows she is full of shit.

-- Modified on 6/27/2006 11:47:54 AM

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Jeremy Bender2453 reads

Chimpy's favorite Democrat. There are plenty of pro Iraq War Dems who are not being opposed. He is being opposed because he goes on Fox News to trash other Dems. He also kissed Shrub on the mouth. Yeesh!

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Tusayan1868 reads

The party didn't cast anyone out. Lieberman decided to leave on his own and he's free to run as an independent if he wishes.

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HarryLime1970 reads

... who are "they"?  There are prominent pro-life dems and prominant pro-choice republicans.  There are also people from either party who have mixed views on Iraq.  

If we're lucky, we might get some people running that represent a political center rather than the knucklehead true believers of both parties.  

And maybe monkeys can fly out my ass too...  :-(

Harry

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jack01165332014 reads

procedures that reward cooperation are not common.

I would point to eg, open vs closed primaries.  I think the Supremes, led by the late Wm Rehnquist, were blowing smoke when they ruled that political parties, which used public facilities and often public money, to seek public office, are private associations for the purpose of excluding members.  WRONG WRONG WRONG.

Eg, gerrymandering.  Allowing a legislature to change it's own districts is inconsistent with checks & balances.  I'd suggest this should be done by a public corp like the Federal Ressrve, appointed by the Exec with input from Census, and judicial oversight.  Enough of the foxes watching the henhouse.

And the electoral college is a related issue.  There's a useless anachronism, and another one that has the potential to undercut the moral authority of one man, one vote.

And campaign finance - the concept that money is a form of expression is bullshit.  The same logic would make EVERYTHING that had to be financed into a form of expression.

The problem with the true believers is that they proceed from preconceptions, disregarding facts.   At some point, confidence alone won't carry the day - you actually have to RTFM.   Question is always how much fine print is worth reading - Democrats argue over it endlessly, and Republicans think reading is a waste of time.

It's like a religious war - both sides think anybody not with them is against them, and it's poetic justice when they kill each other.  Not so good when they also lay waste to everything else in the country too.

-- Modified on 6/28/2006 10:12:00 PM

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Officer Cartman1753 reads

A Pres. candidate polling at 10% is allowd into debates.  They can shape the political landscape.  At the risk of sounding idealistic, I don't believe that any vote is a wasted vote.  If liberals think that the Democrats are full of shit, don't vote for them.  Same goes for coservatives and Republicans.  It is amazing that the truly crazy Ross Perot and Jesse Ventura are the only 3rd party candidates to make any noise.  I know Perot had money but almost 20% of voters actually chose him over a traditional candidate.  If he had any sanity he could have done some good.

How are your ideals ever going to be represented when you vote for people that don't share them?

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zinaval2852 reads


It looks to me like he's walking out, and stupidly.  If his prospects are low as a democrat, they are micro-sized as an independent.  

If your willing to vote for him, the odds are pretty high that you're his running-mate.

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Officer Cartman2160 reads

He's still leading in the polls.  But turnout for primaries are usually low, and it is expected that there will be a large turnout of "true believers".  The internet bloggers are rallying the troops.

He's a 3 time Senator and believes that enough moderates from both sides would vote for him in a general election.  Who knows?

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zinaval1859 reads


He's going to lose a certain precentage of his votes by leaving his party.  I don't know that the democratic party is strong enough in Connecticut though.  

It still might be a very bad time for him to go moderate, though.  If Democrats in that state move further left, he will lose too many votes.

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Officer Cartman2076 reads

I would be really surprised if he was able to win as an Indy.  He won't have the resources given to him by his party.  Moderate Dems won't want to vote for him because that will take votes away from the Dem candidate.  Republicans won't vote for him because they will actually have a shot of gaining a senate seat in a blue state.

But he is the incumbent so he can never be ruled out.

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Tusayan2558 reads

The latest polls have Lieberman with a small lead but within the margin of error of the poll so it's really a dead heat at this point. The primary is Aug. 8.

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