I have always been MUCH more concerned about policy, rather than who the man who holds the WH, and right now the policy I want is not being enacted.
I would concede his presidency is in more trouble now than a week before but I still maintain the economy will determine Trump's ultimate fate, so of course he can come back from this. IF..............
He desperately needs a David Gergen type to guide him through these troubled waters and to clean house. Trump's message is constantly being drown out by his stupid use of twitter and him letting the lib media control the narrative.
I just don't know if Trump is capable of giving that kind of power to someone else. Declining poll ratings make a POTUS do different things than they want. Clinton WH was in free fall until they brought in Gergen.
Trump, sooner or later, and preferably last month, lol, HAS to get there or he is doomed. WAY too early to write him off though.
"Pot to the Fire". You need to read this:
From CNN's Dan Merica:
Mike Pence said he stood by President Trump, who is under fire right now for his comments about “both sides” being to blame for the violence in Virginia.
However, he largely avoided a question about Trump’s controversial remarks. Pence, after a long pause, referred to his comments on Sunday and added, “I stand with the president and I stand by those words.”
“What happened in Charlottesville was a tragedy. And the President has been clear on this tragedy and so have I," Pence said. "I spoke at length about this heartbreaking situation on Sunday night in Colombia, and I stand with the President and I stand by those words."
So now we have two confirmed White Supremacists, KKK members and Neo Nazis. Your President Pence is the Clown in a new bottle!
"Antifa does not shy away from militant protest methods, including the destruction of property and sometimes physical violence. They were present at the 2017 Berkeley protests of far-right speaker Milo Yiannopoulos and at violent protests against Donald Trump's inauguration; they were also present at Charlottesville."
"There is no moral equivalency between racists & Americans standing up to defy Hate & bigotry. The President of the United States should say so"
and to claim the "anti hate" groups were completely blameless is nothing more than a bald faced lie.
If BLM can have "protected speech" when they were openly promoting the MURDER of policemen without being shut down, so can the White Nationals. Where was your outrage when BLM was advocating the murder of policemen?
Or is it a matter of "you are entitled to free speech only if I agree with what you have to say"
Agree, while there was no place for driving the car into the crowd, the wacko rights did have the right to assemble, having gotten a permit to do so. We can argue whether they should have had that permit, but they had it, and I don't know if we want to start denying permits for group protests. Now, coming armed and prepared for battle, that should be disqualifying. As much as we may disagree with what they stand for, they have the right for peaceful protest, and noone has the right to shut down a peaceful protest, just like I can't stop someone from burning the flag. However, the police should have gotten engaged earlier to keep the peace, though I read both groups showed up early to the protest site and I don't know if the police were there yet. I don't know who initiated the violence, but whoever did should be prosecuted.
I have not seen anything where Trump in any way supported the neo Nazis, et al. He should have (but did not) disassociate himself from the remarks made by David Duke claiming they were in effect fighting for Trumps cause. What he said about "both sides" was in my opinion correct, but this was not the right time for that. But his very first tweet I believe condemned the hate and the violence. "We ALL must be united & condemn all that hate stands for. There is no place for this kind of violence in America. Lets come together as one! 10:19 AM - Aug 12, 2017". He is losing what support he had in Congress, and his approval will suffer. Whether they can force him out is another question.
The racist extremists, most of which came to Charlottesville, were not from Charlottesville, got exactly what they were hoping for!
http://www.rawstory.com/2017/08/im-glad-she-died-kkk-leader-celebrates-heather-heyers-death-and-threatens-future-violence/
The removal of a confederate monument was the rallying cry, and the "free speech" is their defense, but "Charlottesville was not a ‘protest turned violent’ — it was a riot planned by racist extremists!"
They are emotional pyromaniacs who want the flames of hate to burn hot and brightly. That hate burns within them, and they desire to inflame it in others. Most of them came from outside of Charlottesville, while most of those those on the other side were residents of Charlottesville. They were demonstrating to express that racist extremists were not welcome in their community; their right of expression of free speech. I'm not certain if the German's had their own law regarding free speech, but if they did, it didn't prevent them from carrying out the holocaust. If there had been more people like the citizens of Charlottesville, who resisted the hatemongers, perhaps it would never had happened. 
The liberal "agitators" who also were NOT from Charlottesville are the ones who got exactly what they hoped for, they have weakened an already embattled POTUS and made this the most talked about news story of the week. They couldn't have possibly hoped for a better outcome, and if an innocent woman had to die in the process, so be it.
Matt I will give you credit for one thing, I can not honestly tell if you are naïve, stupid or a blatant liar like your lefty brethren.
And, that's exactly why you're so pissed off! So, be honest, and just say so! But, at least, in getting what they wanted, they didn't kill anyone in the process, and neither were they armed to the teeth. Can't be said of the other side!
I never said there was a moral equivalency.
I merely stated both sides were most likely to be at fault for the violence, since many on the left like Hershey are ONLY blaming the white supremacist side, and that doesn't appear to be factually accurate.
The point where even Republican congressmen are revolting against him after his remarks regarding Charlottesville. It's not the issue of violence but Trump dredging the moral equivalency issue.
...does THIS sound like moral equivalency to YOU? :
"Racism is evil -- and those who cause violence in its name are criminals and thugs, including KKK, neo-Nazis, white supremacists, and other hate groups are repugnant to everything we hold dear as Americans," Trump said in response to the attacks in Charlottesville, Virginia, over the weekend.
When, you, GaG and Trump say or imply that the citizen's of Charlottesville, who stood up against the racist extremists, are just as bad or just as culpable for the violence that occurred there, then yes, you are claiming moral equivalency.
It's not the "Citizens of Charlottesville" that I are taking issue with. It was the imported agitators who were imported with the express purpose of escalating the potential for violence that I take issue with. The blood of that poor woman is every bit as much on the hands of those professional agitators as it is the White Nationalists protesting the removal of the statues.
Disagree all you want. Trump was 1,000% correct when he said there was plenty of blame to go around.
In numbers, how many racist extremists were imported compared to those other imported agitators you talk about. What were the intentions of the racist extremists vs the other imported agitators. Let's get some perspective from some people; "Citizens of Charlottesville" who were there!
It's a reason most people in this country are disgusted by Trump and his supporters tonight.
You continue to try and twist the issue.
Just like that scumbag in the White House.
getting Republicans to come on the air to do what GaG is trying to do!
Perhaps they can give him a call!
Nor is this debate we are having in the US, today, right now, right here on TER, about differing political beliefs at a public protest over the removal of a confederate statue. It's not even about the right to freedom of expression. This chasm goes to the heart of who we are as a country. And, the tone-deafness that’s evident in the inability of out President to choose one side of a situation, in which there really is only right or wrong, is frightening.
If T thinks that he can be equivocal about what happened in Charlottesville, and that people in the US are going to go along with him placing blame on Nazis fascist and anti-fascist protesters, equally, he has miscalculated dangerously. For a president who claims to have THE BEST political instincts, he sure as hell miss-judged this situation---by a mile--multiple times.
We can debate BLM all day. But, when we have neo nazis marching in the street, claiming allegiance to the POTUS because they believe he sings their tune----when the grand dragon of the KKK reminds the POTUS to remember who put him in office---- when the POTUS refuses to make a clear and unequivocal statement condemning white nationalism---when the POTUS says: “there were some good people on both sides…”…when T claims that people marching in Charlottesville on Fri night were there for no other reason than to protest the removal of a statue, when it is plainly obvious to EVERYONE IN THE WORLD that this is not true---when T will not call out an act of domestic terrorism on our own 'soil' (when he never hesitates for one second to do so when it occurs in other countries), when T makes NO distinction between Nazis’ and the people standing against Nazis……?
He has failed the United States in a way that cannot be undone. Possibly not forgiven.
It's not "possibly not forgiven." It's just not forgiven.
Still obsessed with Hillary? Are you serious? Did you try to fuck her or something and she let you down with a devastating crash! Trump is president now! Or have you failed to recognize that fact? Obama, Clinton, and all the Bushes in the world do not matter now! All that matters is Trump and what he plans to do to improve every day life for ALL Americans. All who came before Trump no longer matter and the constant deflections of you and those who think like you are getting rather tired!
Most of your posts, although caustic, have reflected some degree of reasonable thought. This one reflects your short-sightedness. This Charlottesville fiasco all stems around hatred and prejudice. Maybe a few who resisted the hate and oppressive intent of those KKK and white supremacist assholes were out of line, but the spirit of any resistance was clear. No decent American will tolerate the hate being spewed by these assholes! Dissenting opinions can be healthy. But there is no room for hate in this country.
Fortunately, Trump's major failure has allowed this country to be just a touch more united, regardless of their political affiliation. That is what this country was built on. That is what decent people do.
Yup, Pence is also an asshole and has his pitfalls, but should our republican controlled congress find the intestinal fortitude to do the right thing and face the blow back at the polls by Trump supporters, we will have to deal with Pence for only 3 years. History has shown that Americans are resilient, so this too will end!
Hopefully, once this entire nightmare ends, Americans will be better off for having experienced it and in 2020 we just may end up with a much more united, political body, willing to compromise in the spirit of benefiting all Americans.
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A successful trump presidency has always been linked to the economy. So far so good. US economic growth during Trump's first quarter has trumped expectation and doesn't appear to be letting up. One should never forget about the silent majority that catapulted trump into office. The hard working middle class that depends on a strong economy for their livelihood.
Racial tensions have unfortunately always been apart of the American makeup and flare ups come and go. I thought a black president would ease the racial tension but he unfortunately added fuel to the fire. His support of BLM, violent black community activism, anti-LE and welfare programs was counterproductive. Unfortunately, Obama set back the poor black communities for decades.
...David Rothkopf. "Rothkopf??" See, that's why my boys were peacefully marching in Charlottesville. It's the Jewish cabal that's trying to take down the duly elected President of the United States. They were right:
"Jews will not replace us!!"
"Jews will not replace us!!"
"Jews will not replace us!!"
"Jews will not replace us!!"
"Jews will not replace us!!"
"Jews will not replace us!!"
I’m gonna give you the benefit of the doubt and assume this comment is not sympathy for the self proclaimed nazis who marched all butt-hurt last weekend, chanting that Jews could not replace them. And that’s a huge give because I’m not sure what white people you would be talking about.
Unless you mean the white men who confuse societal/cultural efforts to establish equality for everyone, with some kind of personal attack that is oppressing them because they’re white… ?
Yeah…subject at hand: I think Trump may have finally screwed the pooch so hard that coming back from it, even enough to start regaining some good will from his own party, will require a full throated apologetic 180. And, I honestly don’t believe that man has the capacity to admit he fucked-up, on anything, ever…..a failure of character….one of many…..that does not serve him well. Odds are, the condemnation will continue, and he’s not going to able to stop himself from fucking this up even more.
Any chance to (maybe) gain some good will from the MAJORITY of the people in the US, who don’t support him, just swirled down the shitter. Most businesses can’t afford association with his kind of toxic brand. And, he’s likely even sealed his own fate with the international community (the sane democracies, anyway). Any foreign leader who was on the fence about T's ability to lead in his own country, much less in the world, has just received a very clear answer. He doesn't even have faux news on side right now. He might have to start hanging out on TER to get some stroking.
As far as Pence? Gee. Do I want a POTUS who sings lullaby’s to white nationalist' neo nazis, or a POTUS who sings lullabys to the American christian taliban?
Gotta think on that one….
You cower to Islam, and crush Christianity, so pardon me if I don't take your incredible hypocrisy too seriously.
And "crush" christianity?
I guess I'm gonna need an example of that. Either one, Jack. Go.....
You just said 'American "Christian" taliban". Jeez, Plants that took no short term memory to pull that off. LOL
With regards to Islamists, and the hundreds of millions, if not 1 billion+ that hold murderous and extremists views, do you have posts here I am not familiar with trashing that ideology/views?
If so, please provide as maybe we are in agreement? Fingers crossed...
...He just does what he and other righties always do - fling their poo onto the computer screen and hope it sticks.
(Now JakeFromTheFunnyFarm will think I'm REALLY old because I paraphrased a line from a 1948 movie, just as he assumed I'm old because I was aware of a song from 1968. What a maroon!! BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!! Yeah, Jake, I was at the movie on opening night.)
will all the Sen Robert Byrd (WV) buildings, statutes, schools, parks, roads, etc be erased from history and memory?
The KKK was a Democratic Party manifestation. Although democrats today would like to rewrite history and sweep their history under the rug.
'the Ku Klux Klan dedicated itself to an underground campaign of violence against Republican leaders and voters (both black and white)"
Ironically, liberal democrats today are raging a campaign if violence against republican leaders and voters. Perhaps they have not strayed too far from their roots.
At this time and looking at all the scandals, investigations, hearings, special counsel, grand jury and Oh that early dawn FBI raid on one of the Clown's Russian comrade, all that people are waiting is for this moronic buffoon to be kicked out of office using any law that is on the books.
Now he is a confirmed White Supremacist, KKK, Neo Nazi card holder.
Which group was it that murdered police in Dallas? in Louisiana? in NYC? in California? in NC? in St. Louis? etc. The list goes on and on...
Which group was it that attempted to assassinate US Congress reps just 2 months ago?
Which group was it that has been vandalizing tax payer property in NC, CA, WA, MO, etc. Every state basically...
Which group was it that showed up in Charlottesville with bats, pipes, and helmets deliberately looking to start a fight?
Oh that's right.. BLM, Antifa, & other Soros funded hate groups on the left
I'm not saying Neo-Nazis and Alt-Right are great, but really c'mon people they are both sides of the extreme and are cuckoo bananas. The majority of us live somewhere in the middle in our beliefs. I'm all for rounding both sides of these extreme groups and putting them on an island for a reality TV show. Now that would be an interesting Survivor Island...
I would say I really do not think it matters what trump does. I mean we have seen him say, do, act out, tweet some of the most idiotic, ignorant, repulsive things that any person, let alone (then) candidate and now president do and it doesn't seem to matter. There are certain scum that walk this earth that that aren't fit to be in America and are always preaching American ideals, and that is his base, so in their eyes the more outrageous he is, the better. Literally every single day I turn on the TV and there is something new, some new tweet, more people speaking out blanket statements that identify no-one but toe the line to keep votes. Last I heard, he isn't apologetic nor does he feel regret or remorse for his statements. And to be quite honest with you, it doesn't surprise me one bit. IMO, this is a deep rooted issue with America, and the world for that matter. And when he made it to office, it opened up the floodgates for this alt-right movement to peep their head in and become more and more vocal by the day. Tuesday's off-script rant just let them know that the POTUS has their back and it will only become louder IMO.
White, green, orange, Asian, Arabic, whatever you are it makes no difference to me, people are people. I don't need any apologies, and I think your statement about whites having the nerve to be unapologetic is a bit off base. I think it's more of don't treat me different or hate me because I am black. Another puzzling thing is, if this is what makes his presidency "hugely in danger," then how low have we stooped and how much roped did he have in the first place. The administration is a fucking mockery, and that is just from a common sense approach. A special counsel, that has gathered a grand jury, and been given a "red line" as to what can be investigated. A 70 year old child who thinks this is a game of Mobile Strike. Oh and not to mention giving the seal of approval to neo-nazi's, KKK, and white supremacist that it's cool to reign terror on city blocks because they had permits.
So let me get this straight, we fought the Nazi's n WW2, just to have our POTUS excuse their behavior on our soil, but that's after he gathered all the facts, because he doesn't speak on issues unless he has the facts, unless it's attacking the CEO of Merck (58 minutes after resigning), or wiretapping of trump tower, or Hillary and her 33,000 deleted emails, which he didn't know about before he was elected and not until after he didn't know about his son's secret meeting with Russian officials, which was supposed to be about adoptions, but it's no big deal because they didn't get any useful information.
"It's the economy stupid"
I don't recall where I heard that phrase, all I know for sure in regards to President Trump, my life has improved ten fold since I started working for The Trump Empire.
I expect the rest of our Great country and millions upon millions of Greater citizens will also enjoy the riches coming their way, with President Trump at the helm.
Don't believe the Trust fund brat if he tells you I am plunging stopped up toilets in Trump properties.
You would be amazed if you knew what I'm doing working for the best company in the World.
I'd tell you but two things I'm not, a braggart or a snitch.
I can tell you one thing that's coming out soon, contrary to public opinion our internal polls show President Trump's approval is rapidly rising while we're adding to our 2018 campaign volunteers at an amazing rate.
Most of our supporters don't watch fake news CNN and none of us answer the phone when they call.
I am sure a wise man like yourself can see the standardized hate Trump lead ins with CNN polls.
Fake news CNN failed hugely when attempting to beat us before the nomination and they failed again big time when Candidate Trump defeated what's her name to win the Presidency against all odds. .
You know as well as myself when President Trump mentioned there were fine people on both sides he wasn't speaking of Antifa, dough boy KKK or a Trust fund raised White supremacist killer of a peaceful proteststor .
There were a few decent people who were only in Charlottesville protesting the removal of monuments they cherish, for a reason I can't decipher but I understand they have different views than me.
I don't care either way about the Confederate flag or old statues , I'm not afraid of Ghosts or God or concerned peaceful people with a different opinion than myself.
Back to the subject at hand before I talk too much and bore slow readers to tears and give the word twisters ammunition to feed their hope their impotence will be cured.
The good things will happen under President Trump, you will see that when your profits increase like never before.
I don't know much about Pence except he can't fire me.
Bottom line : President Trump doesn't quit.
I suspect by 2020 he will be compared to a major league baseball player hitting 2000 home runs in one season.
He'll probably retire and enjoy the accolades watching real news referring to President Trump as the Greatest President of all Time.
"It's the economy stupid "
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I think everyone knows how I feel about what happened, and Trumps position about what happened, but that's not my question.
For the first time since Trump took office I see a very real chance that his Presidency is hugely in danger. I guess this should be notice to all politicians and businessmen, Political Correctness now runs this country. I suppose in hindsight Trump should have folded his tent, just like Hillary Clinton IMMEDIATELY started backtracking when she had the unusual temerity to try to stand up to BLM by uttering the words "All Lives Matter"
I guess I should be happy I am not white, because it looks like its open season on white people who have the nerve to be unapologetic for being so lucky as to be born white.
Ok, back to the subject at hand. Is there any way that Trump comes back from this one? Besides doing a complete 180 on this which NO BODY, including myself would ever believe, How does Trump shift the narrative back to the good things he wants to accomplish? I honestly don't know at this point. But to all the snowflakes, when "Freedom of religion" is the focal point of a Pence administration and the "real" righties are firmly in control just remember "be very careful what you ask for, as you are liable to get it"
Should have remembered this is a fuck board and makes sense it has more than its fair share of ignorant, morally depraved individuals. You are right at the of top that list.
Yeah, I like to fuck! But I still can identify racism and bigotry when I see it. My cock might crave delicious pussy, but all my other faculties function rather well and I deplore unfairness in any shape or form.
My friends and I always talk about the "mark" at a poker table, whenever we play and have an expression; "if you look around the poker table and can not figure out who the fool is, it is probably you." You are probably not even smart enough to think about looking around the poker table, let alone knowing it is YOU who are the fool!
