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Re: You need to read my response to ChicKie above. (Don’t Bother. Nicky’s Response Was Wrong)
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There’s no need to read Nicky’s long winded response, as he summarized it here in his response to you.

In summary, like it or not, the law forbids ANYONE from being removed from the voting rolls within 90 days of an election for ANY reason.
And his summary is just as wrong as his initial response. The law doesn’t forbid ANYONE from being removed from the rolls, it forbids VOTERS from being removed from the rolls. The non-citizens on the rolls are by definition NOT VOTERS, and can be removed.  The over politicized Civil Rights Division of the Department of Justice is unfairly and unjustly going after Virginia with this lawsuit.  Hopefully the courts will not grant the injunctive relief that the corrupt DOJ is seeking.

...according to a comprehensive audit announced Wednesday by Georgia REPUBLICAN Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger.  That's 0.0000025%.  All 20 of those registrations have been cancelled and referred to the authorities for investigation and potential prosecution.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/georgia-voter-roll-audit-finds-20-noncitizens-8/story?id=115072461

 
But that won't stop Trump from whining like a little bitch that MILLIONS of illegals are voting.  And that won't stop brain-dead TER righties from parroting Trump's words instead of thinking for themselves.

Remember the time you told me only 20 of the 8 million tacos you’ve eaten in your life didn’t come from a taco truck?

From the Washington Post

Oct 9, 2024 — Gov. Glenn Youngkin touts 6303 noncitizens being purged from Virginia's voter rolls

The VA suit was based strictly on the FACT that "an executive order issued in August by Republican Gov. Glenn Youngkin requiring daily updates to voter lists to remove ineligible voters violates federal law. The National Voter Registration Act requires a 90-day “quiet period” ahead of elections for the maintenance of voter rolls.
“Congress adopted the National Voter Registration Act’s quiet period restriction to prevent error-prone, eleventh hour efforts that all too often disenfranchise qualified voters,” Assistant U.S. Attorney General Kristen Clarke said in a statement."
So in your book a state is permitted to violate Federal law?

 a state is permitted to violate Federal law?
Keeping ineligible voters off the rolls is not a violation of federal law. Ignoring laws that violate the Constitution is a necessity in a democratic republic.
In a court filing, the AG’s office said the federal law in question doesn’t apply to the “removal of persons who were never eligible to vote” like non-citizens.

So, if a law says you can't remove voters from the rolls within a 90-day window of an election, and the government violates that law, "intent" is even an issue?
ChicKie has now done it.....

Nicky missed the key operative word in his own quote:

So, if a law says you can't remove VOTERS from the rolls
Non-citizens are NOT VOTERS. There’s no 90 day grace period for non voters. Non-citizens can’t vote in federal elections. This federal law YOU’RE quoting does not apply to them.

who declared themselves non-citizens.  The states are comparing voter registrations to the declarations people give when summoned for jury duty.  If they said they were non-citizens in order to get out of jury duty, the state can use that declaration under oath to remove them from the voter rolls.   They have 14 days to object to being removed, but I don't see how they can do that without admitting they committed perjury on the court declaration.  Never try to outsmart the bureaucrats unless you ABSOLUTELY know what you are doing.  Lol

Especially the link in which the DOJ explains why VA is violating the law. In summary, like it or not, the law forbids ANYONE from being removed from the voting rolls within 90 days of an election for ANY reason. This is because historically efforts to cull the voting rolls often removed people who were eligible and there wasn't time for them to be reinstated.
So NO ONE can legally be removed during the 90-day window no matter what they've said about their status.

There’s no need to read Nicky’s long winded response, as he summarized it here in his response to you.

In summary, like it or not, the law forbids ANYONE from being removed from the voting rolls within 90 days of an election for ANY reason.
And his summary is just as wrong as his initial response. The law doesn’t forbid ANYONE from being removed from the rolls, it forbids VOTERS from being removed from the rolls. The non-citizens on the rolls are by definition NOT VOTERS, and can be removed.  The over politicized Civil Rights Division of the Department of Justice is unfairly and unjustly going after Virginia with this lawsuit.  Hopefully the courts will not grant the injunctive relief that the corrupt DOJ is seeking.

It's not as complicated as you're trying to make it. Just read my earlier post.
Clearly, ChicKie is incapable of understanding it.

From similar cases elsewhere (I will check stories about VA later): if people got their licenses BEFORE the state had some sort birth cert or other requirement (that would be pre-1990s, mostly), their license renewals continued every few years without needing to update the record or present a birth cert. THEN, more recently, some states demanded the matching of a birth cert ON RECORD with the DMV in order to be allowed to vote. Some people were in their 5- or 6-year period and wouldn't find out about that until their next license renewal.
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Those state regulation disparities made it seem that a US citizen who got their license using other address and ID info (bank statements, tax forms, utility bills) and whose info now shows up to the voter registration offices is suddenly a NON-citizen.  
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CDL (and others) write "They only removed citizens who ****declared**** themselves non-citizens." I HIGHLY doubt that it means they walked up to the counter at the DMV, hopped up on the counter, and announced, "Excuse me, everybody! I hereby declare myself to be a non-citizen!"  Neither do I think it means that they made any similar but quieter declaration to a DMV employee.  I strongly suspect that it means that it was some sort of passive AND ERRONEOUS declaration on the paperwork (or computer-screen work).  
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Maybe they showed up at the DMV, checked all the boxes on their renewal forms ("Is your old info accurate? [ ] yes [ ] no") ("Did you provide proof of your name change ("Mary nee Smith is now Mary married Jones") [ ] yes [ ] no") and that included something like, "I DECLARE the above info to be true and accurate."  
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I will read about the VA case from the posted links later, but I suspect that many people have been purged due to clerical errors and not because they actively "declared themselves non-citizens."
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Posted By: coeur-de-lion
Re: They only removed citizens . . . .
who declared themselves non-citizens.  The states are comparing voter registrations to the declarations people give when summoned for jury duty.  If they said they were non-citizens in order to get out of jury duty, the state can use that declaration under oath to remove them from the voter rolls.   They have 14 days to object to being removed, but I don't see how they can do that without admitting they committed perjury on the court declaration.  Never try to outsmart the bureaucrats unless you ABSOLUTELY know what you are doing.  Lol

under penalty of perjury to the Court that they cannot serve on a jury because they are not a US citizen, how can that NOT be declaring themselves ineligible to vote, as well?  You do understand that perjury in this case is more likely a felony than a misdemeanor?  It's not like lying in a proceeding, it's lying TO the court.  You seem to be talking about drivers' licenses, which I don't believe I even mentioned.  Was this like one of those Kamala Harris pivots?  Lol

What Court are you talking about? No article that I read mentions anything about the Courts. It's all about the DMV and Board of Elections. I wrote, "From similar cases elsewhere (I will check stories about VA later) ...".  I've been looking for more info about the VA situation and I have not yet found DETAILED details. However, it was a DMV issue.  
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Suppose you got your first VA license BEFORE they required a certified copy of your birth cert. You proved your name, age, residency, etc. with other documents (4th grade report card; bank account statements or utility bills with your address; tax filings (with SSN, etc.). I don't know how long a VA license is good for, but let's say 5 years. For the past 25+ years, you have been going to the DMV every five years to renew your license. You bring your current utility bills or bank statements to prove your mailing address = your residency. And other docs to prove other stuff the VA DMV requires (statements from eye doctor or medical doctor?). At some point, state DMVs (including VA?) changed their rules and started to require a birth cert but "old" license holders were either grandfathered in or mistakenly NOT flagged that they needed to provide a birth cert.  
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Here you go. I inverted the argument to explain away CDL's objection. Maybe the VA DMV renewal form asks, "Which forms of proof of citizenship did you provide to the DMV?  
[x] 4th grade report card  
[x] tax return
[  ] birth cert.  ... no X. I've been licensed in VA for 30+ years!!
[  ] Cert of Naturalization ... no X, I was born in the USA. I'm not a naturalized immigrant  
[x] baptism record  
[x] astrological chart from Joan Quigley, Nancy and Ronald Reagan's astrologer, with my DoB, exact time and exact location of birth  
and then,
[x] I hereby DECLARE that the claims [x]ed or [unex]ed above are true and complete.  
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To CDL, an unchecked "[ ] birth cert" means, "They ... ****declared**** themselves non-citizens!" These kinds of errors have been occurring in several states. The failure to have a certified birth cert on file with the DMV is NOT a DECLARATION of non-citizenship. It is a clerical error because many DMVs are not keeping up with requirements demanded by other local offices, including the Election Office.  
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I am looking for a DETAILED explanation of what is happening in VA but I haven't found it yet. If CDL can provide a LINK to the story about "They ... ****declared**** themselves non-citizens!" I would find it helpful.

Posted By: coeur-de-lion
Re: When someone signs a DECLARATION . . .
under penalty of perjury to the Court that they cannot serve on a jury because they are not a US citizen, how can that NOT be declaring themselves ineligible to vote, as well?  You do understand that perjury in this case is more likely a felony than a misdemeanor?  It's not like lying in a proceeding, it's lying TO the court.  You seem to be talking about drivers' licenses, which I don't believe I even mentioned.  Was this like one of those Kamala Harris pivots?  Lol
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First of all, I'm not at all surprised that the biggest troll and stalker on all of TER posted this. And... in the middle of the night on break from his his 3rd shift job no less.... but I digress.
 
This story was strategically released 2 weeks prior to election day as a reminder to everyone "Nothing to see here"

It has now been order for every Georgia polling place to post a sign warning noncitizens that it’s illegal for them to vote.

These signs are posted on the entry doors and interior hallways as well as outside the voting area on a yard sign style sign. It VERY evident when you go vote in GA.
These signs were not ordered to be posted if they weren't "worried"

The people of GA are closely watching the voting this year more than any other in history. This with the mindset of....get me once shame on you. Get me twice.......

I hope Governor Youngkin appeals this to the Supreme Court.
Governor Youngkin:

Let’s be clear about what just happened: only eleven days before a Presidential election, a federal judge ordered Virginia to reinstate over 1,500 individuals–who self-identified themselves as noncitizens–back onto the voter rolls.
"This is a Virginia law passed in 2006, signed by then-Governor Tim Kaine, that mandates certain procedures to remove noncitizens from the voter rolls, with safeguards in place to affirm citizenship before removal–and the ultimate failsafe of same-day registration for U.S. citizens to cast a provisional ballot. This law has been applied in every Presidential election by Republicans and Democrats since enacted 18 years ago.

"Virginia will immediately petition the Fourth Circuit Court of Appeals and, if necessary, the U.S. Supreme Court, for an emergency stay of the injunction."

Multiple registrations, same hand writing. Hmm… What’s that term that the Harris campaign kept using? Weird? Yeh, I’m gonna say this is weird.

What is NOT odd is that you provide no source (link) and you provide no context.  
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An image search on google provides one and only one match: to a post on X. Not worth the click.

Posted By: willywonka4u
Re: Isn’t this odd.
Multiple registrations, same hand writing. Hmm… What’s that term that the Harris campaign kept using? Weird? Yeh, I’m gonna say this is weird.

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