[joke]

I bet while in Moscow he even kissed Brezhnev and smoked a joint with him.

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-- Modified on 9/23/2008 4:13:46 PM

I presume that means if the bill has the government doing anything besides policing, defense, giving out guns, attacking the NEA, dismantling the public school system, teaching abstinence, destroying social security, hammering government agencies and generally plundering the government, it must be a vote for liberalism or socialism.

The absurdity of it led me to make the joke about "more gay than an admitted homo sapiens." Yes, conservatives here have a better vocabulary than most, which doesn't change my opinion now that conservatism is the biggest joke that has ever ruined a First-Rate Country. America is going to be paying the price for your idiocy throughout this century. Now we have to get more government quick if we are to save our finance industry, which has been socialized and nationalized, thus extending government power limitlessly.

Congratulations on destroying oversight so much that nationalization is inevitable. Now we officially have a government Hugo Chavez would be proud of-- and right after you've spent twenty-plus years making the government as incompetent and corrupt as you thought it should be. How well do you think this is really going to work out?

Meanwhile, conservatives on the street are complaining that the government is making a huge "power grab." No fucking kidding, and it has now been invited by the very industry that was dead- set opposed to regulation, and who made that inevitable? I know now that they are going to rebel just to make things worse. It's also right about the time we're going to have a black President, so you know that there is going to be racism added to this mix of economic disaster Obama will be inheriting. The only thing worse will be the Palin Administration. I thought Bush was unqualified . . .

So far I haven't seen any sense of responsibility from conservatives. No, it's still the liberals' fault for not de-regulating enough, or de-regulating the wrong way, or whatever.

Congratulations you stupid assholes. You've done something no liberal would have done, you've done something that Stalin, Mao, Ho Chi Minh and Castro couldn't do. You've turned the US socialist, and this liberal hates you for it.

So, instead of expressing my complete loathing and contempt, I use gentle humor about conservatives. Don't you think that's better?

For the record, I'm glad you didn't confuse the terms, but you know, you really shouldn't argue about a joke, either laugh or don't.



-- Modified on 9/23/2008 10:10:54 PM

Now I mark it up to avoid all the previous foibles.

Call it a joke, but I wish I didn't feel like it was necessary.  

-- Modified on 9/23/2008 8:13:55 PM

I have no qualms about calling Obama liberal.  There is nothing wrong with being liberal (or "a lib" as I've seen snidely remarked on this board)  

Liberal
 9 dictionary results for: liberal
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lib•er•al      
–adjective 1. favorable to progress or reform, as in political or religious affairs.  
2. (often initial capital letter) noting or pertaining to a political party advocating measures of progressive political reform.  
3. of, pertaining to, based on, or advocating liberalism.  
4. favorable to or in accord with concepts of maximum individual freedom possible, esp. as guaranteed by law and secured by governmental protection of civil liberties.  
5. favoring or permitting freedom of action, esp. with respect to matters of personal belief or expression: a liberal policy toward dissident artists and writers.  
6. of or pertaining to representational forms of government rather than aristocracies and monarchies.  
7. free from prejudice or bigotry; tolerant: a liberal attitude toward foreigners.  
8. open-minded or tolerant, esp. free of or not bound by traditional or conventional ideas, values, etc.  
9. characterized by generosity and willingness to give in large amounts: a liberal donor.  
10. given freely or abundantly; generous: a liberal donation.  
11. not strict or rigorous; free; not literal: a liberal interpretation of a rule.  
12. of, pertaining to, or based on the liberal arts.  
13. of, pertaining to, or befitting a freeman.  
–noun 14. a person of liberal principles or views, esp. in politics or religion.  
15. (often initial capital letter) a member of a liberal party in politics, esp. of the Liberal party in Great Britain.  


On the subject of "socialist policies", next post to follow ...




-- Modified on 9/24/2008 12:49:12 PM

“Socialist policies”--- I’ll grant you that his policies are “socialist in nature.”   But given the mess this country is facing, the options he offers look pretty darned good.

  “Obama favors wealth redistribution, he believes the "rich" don't pay their fair share. He believes government can better spend the people's money than the people themselves.”  >>>  not entirely accurate. If that was true he would’ve proposed raising the taxes on the wealthy to the levels of those in Scandinavian countries.  He has simply called for eliminating the tax cuts that “W” doled out.  He has also called for cuts to the Federal spending & elimination of programs that don’t work.

Obama on Social Security  … what are the  options?  Social Security is currently teetering on the edge.  Millions of taxpayers paid their Social Security taxes on the assumption that they would receive payments when they retire.  If the government can’t fund those obligations, why am I paying Social Security  tax right now (under a Republican administration)?

“Massive entitlements, from socialized health care to free college to all,” >>>>  a developed country OUGHT TO PROVIDE EDUCATION & HEALTHCARE FOR THEIR CITIZENS.   If a country can spend half a Trillion dollars annually on a defense budget & yet can’t afford a world-class education or basic healthcare plan for its citizens, that is an embarrassment & a misallocation of resources.  If reallocation from the defense budget to other programs is not on the table, then the money has to come from somewhere … I make a lot more than the average taxpayer but I’m willing pay a little extra in order to “put country first”

“Not to mention oppresive increases in corporate taxes which already are among the highest in the developed world,”  >>>  somehow I’m not convinced  that large corporations pay their fair share of taxes.  With the innumerable loopholes in the taxcode, the large corporations have armies of lawyers & tax advisors to help them “reduce” their tax obligations.

Let me say this: in the ideal world I would like to pay as little in taxes as possible. I’d like it to be fair. I’d like our government to be smaller. And more accountable. And our money to be spent more wisely & with more transparency.  Sound familiar?  It should – those are some of the most dearly-held conservative values.  

I have had it with the current Republican administration & see no future in the one seeking to succeed him.

Obama is the change I'm looking for.  And I'm willing to take a chance on that ... the way I see it, he can't f*ck it up any worse.  If he does, he will be on his keester in 4 years.

We have differing viewpoints. But as you say "you can disagree without being disagreeable". On that I agree!