Like Al Gore ( who I also supported ) victory was within her grasp. Also, like Gore, she was a shitty candidate. I can say that now. Dems need to do a helluva lot better in 2020. The day before the election, I was part of the" Hosana chorus" in here predicting she'd win. Immediately afterwards, went to RCP &538 & saw that her leads within the rustbelt states were plummeting. RCP showed her winning with only 272 electoral votes & Nate gave her an 11% chance of winning the popular vote, but losing the electoral. Started talking to my very political extended family & said I'd bet there's a 50% chance she wins the popular, but loses the electoral. They laughed me off, but I was proven right.
I guess politics is like horseracing; sometimes the 10-1 longshot sometimes comes in.
In terms of "polling failures", she is currently leading by 1%, in the popular vote & may boost that higher in the coming weeks. It's NOT that the GENERAL polling failed, it's that polls in the rustbelt states that were awful.
Lastly, speaking of rustbelt states, Michigan is still out; she's cut his lead to 11k. HIGHLY unlikely she'll carry that state, but then again, vast majority in here thought Trump would lose.
On to 2020.
The guy who stated unequivocally that Trump would NOT be POTUS under ANY circumstances now comes on here claiming to be right.
That is RICH.
but, it's still nice to see you saying "something" unlike the even bigger (and fatter) loser who still hasn't mustered up the guts to say a single word after making even bigger claims about Hillary than you, and even worse, actually was a fan of Hillary. I can "almost" understand voting for Hillary as a vote "against" Trump, but anyone who was an actual fan of the Hildabeast and voted for her enthusiastically is beyond stupid and really TSTTT.
BTW, at one point, actually at the point I started getting on board with Trump, he wasn't a 10-1 shot, he was 100-1.
Ok, now that Trump is a reality, how do you feel about the markets hugely popular reaction to the news, with the pundits being woefully wrong again by predicting the market would not only tank on the news, but that we would head almost immediately into recession?
Read my post; day before the election, had grave doubts about her winning. Think I was gonna cop to that in HERE?! As to me, the old bitch was merely an anti-Trump vote & always was. The fact that she snatched defeat from the jaws of victory against HIM, showed what a truly terrible candidate she was.
As to the markets, they can be very volatile & to be honest, don't know enough about that subject to give an informed opinion.
As to DT, IF he can get an infrastructure bill passed ( & that's a big if ) early on, a major accomplishment. Stay tuned to see if he can do it.
Posted By: GaGambler
The guy who stated unequivocally that Trump would NOT be POTUS under ANY circumstances now comes on here claiming to be right.
That is RICH.
but, it's still nice to see you saying "something" unlike the even bigger (and fatter) loser who still hasn't mustered up the guts to say a single word after making even bigger claims about Hillary than you, and even worse, actually was a fan of Hillary. I can "almost" understand voting for Hillary as a vote "against" Trump, but anyone who was an actual fan of the Hildabeast and voted for her enthusiastically is beyond stupid and really TSTTT.
BTW, at one point, actually at the point I started getting on board with Trump, he wasn't a 10-1 shot, he was 100-1.
Ok, now that Trump is a reality, how do you feel about the markets hugely popular reaction to the news, with the pundits being woefully wrong again by predicting the market would not only tank on the news, but that we would head almost immediately into recession?
You make your predictions somewhere else where none of us can see them and then come here and brag about them, just like LTM.
The rest of your post I largely agree with.
What the markets are saying is they believe that both a tax cut AND a big infrastructure bill are coming, not to mention a big shot in the arm to the economy from the repatriated trillions currently parked offshore. This will be a huge boon to the economy and the reason the market will be able to shrug off the impending interest rate hikes.
Now the downside to all of this of course is it's effect on the national debt/deficits. It will more certainly add to the debt, but a big mitigating factor, for the short term at least is that Two Trillion dollar "real" stimulus to the economy that looks to be one of the campaign promises Trump can actually deliver on.
Was too chastened to admit to it at the time, which is not the same as "bragging". Dude, you need to seriously pay attention. 100 proof Vodka ADHD ? ( Actually, may suffer from that myself, LOL )
As to infrastructure, too many "congressional crackers" for that to be a sure bet. We'll see. I, for one, hope it passes.
& PLEASE, DON'T lump me in with LTM. Dude needs to be locked up with Arthur Bremer, Mark David Chapman & John Hinckley. What a contemptible POS he is.
Posted By: GaGambler
You make your predictions somewhere else where none of us can see them and then come here and brag about them, just like LTM.
The rest of your post I largely agree with.
What the markets are saying is they believe that both a tax cut AND a big infrastructure bill are coming, not to mention a big shot in the arm to the economy from the repatriated trillions currently parked offshore. This will be a huge boon to the economy and the reason the market will be able to shrug off the impending interest rate hikes.
Now the downside to all of this of course is it's effect on the national debt/deficits. It will more certainly add to the debt, but a big mitigating factor, for the short term at least is that Two Trillion dollar "real" stimulus to the economy that looks to be one of the campaign promises Trump can actually deliver on.
It's rare that I am drunk by noon, except when out on the water or the golf course. and even I don't post when fishing or golfing. lol
As for LTM, "perhaps" that was a low blow, but you deserved at least "some" ribbing for hiding out like the righties you made fun of four years ago. To your credit, you did show your face again, and are actually making a LOT more sense than your lefty brethren, some of whom sound even dumber than they did before the election.
and no. a big infrastructure bill is hardly a sure thing, but I am sure Trump is going to get quite a bit of what he is asking for and if he gets even between a quarter and half of what he is shooting for, the economy will rock, for a while at least. Now if we can only find a way to forget he ever said anything about that dumbass wall, I'll be a happy camper.
I think GAG would like to have a word with you but I digress. lol
We do agree about the polling. It wasn't "off" at all. She will have a 1% to 1.5% lead in the popular vote and the polls had her at up 3.3% on election day, well within the margin of error.
Polling is not an exact science. It never was. There is simply no way to predict who will show up on election day to any great certainty. To me, its amazing they come as close as they do.
As I have explained before, the state polling tends to be less accurate as they poll much fewer people and the polling companies tend to be smaller and less reliable. There were polls showing Trump leading in Michigan by 1 and in PA by 1 just a few days before election day though.
Late deciders clearly broke for Trump, which isn't unusual when you have a candidate with tons of experience vs one with none and one with such a populist message
I think the interpretation of the polls by the media, which clearly wanted Hills to win, is what made so many people think Hills would win. They hated Trump and everything he stands for so I think they fooled themselves into thinking therefore he couldn't win.
Nate Silver, week of the election, said Hillary was just one upset state away from losing. As you stated, RCP said the same thing as they had it 272-266, Hills.
Which is why I'm reluctantly back in, though, candidly speaking, not an easy thing to do & a bitter pill to swallow.
Lastly, Jack, excellent post, as usual.
So I heard.
Do you know Mr Fisher? He says pineapple juice will make "it" go down better! LOL
Be careful though as he is not a doctor, nor an attorney. 
The only liquor I imbibe. Need a lot of it lately-------- LOL ! Use to have it with Grapefruit juice ( a "Greyhound" ) . BP meds have prohibited that for years, prefer tomato ( Bloody Mary ) or orange ( Screwdriver ) juices.
Now pardon me while I get loaded---------LOL !
Posted By: JackDunphy
So I heard.
Do you know Mr Fisher? He says pineapple juice will make "it" go down better! LOL
Be careful though as he is not a doctor, nor an attorney.
I might have a problem with you "taking a load" however. LOL
Good to have you back and I will give you a prop for your mea culpa, you sniveling leftist weasel!
Or whatever the fuck his name was.
Jack, I come here to get informed opinions from the "other side".
I have less a problem with "informed conservatives" than I do with idiots on my side of the aisle ( I.E., LTM ) not knowing what they're talking about. OTOH, plenty in here on your side of the aisle that fit that bill as well.
I've been a political junkie for nearly 50 years & only have problems with boobs who don't know politics, speaking out of their ass.
That said, time for the 2018 elections-------- 
Posted By: JackDunphy
I might have a problem with you "taking a load" however. LOL
Good to have you back and I will give you a prop for your mea culpa, you sniveling leftist weasel!
I need a laxative, a sedative and a month in Hawaii to even recover from this last one.
Please don't wish the 2018 elections to come any sooner than they are.
I NEED A BREAK BRO! lol
...We're all under 21 so we've never had a drink. Idjit!
Least that's what I've heard in board scuttlebutt about you; true or not ? On another unsavory topic, ( which seems to follow you like flies on shit ) scuttlebutt is that when I got a Timeout" several years back you were the party responsible for that. True or False ?
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1) An OTH hooker was harassing ME in PM and then put the content of the PMs on the board. This was totally against the rules and she should have been banned just for doing that. I replied and all of a sudden she claimed to be the aggrieved party. I couldn't post about the contents of PMs so only her side of the story was heard until her posts were removed. None of you gossipy little bitches bothered to PM me for the real story. You are a bunch of white knighting manginas who ran to the defense of a lying OTH hooker.
2) I was responsible for willy wonka getting a timeout four years ago because he blatantly outed three aliases. He replied to alias posts by addressing the posters by their REAL handles. He flouted TER rules and didn't give a shit. I reported him before he could out my alias, your alias and other aliases. As for you, I don't give a rat's ass about you. But if try to "out" me again, as you did today for no reason related to any post, I will try my best to get you shit canned. If you don't know what you did, you will confirm my belief that you are as stupid as you seem from your posts. Or you can PM me and I'll tell you...if you can afford VIP.
"I'm not a member of an organized political party. I'm a Democrat". - Will Rogers
First she loses the nomination to a virtual unknown in the form of Barrack Obama, and then after narrowly beating out an admitted Socialist and a man not even an actual Democrat she loses to a reality TV star who has never been elected to so much as City Councilman.
You Dems have been laughing at the GOP for putting a candidate like Trump, forgetting that your own candidate is the only person out there that elicits equally visceral and negative reactions to her as to him.
Sad to say.
Posted By: GaGambler
First she loses the nomination to a virtual unknown in the form of Barrack Obama, and then after narrowly beating out an admitted Socialist and a man not even an actual Democrat she loses to a reality TV star who has never been elected to so much as City Councilman.
You Dems have been laughing at the GOP for putting a candidate like Trump, forgetting that your own candidate is the only person out there that elicits equally visceral and negative reactions to her as to him.
Or are you among those poor misguided lemmings that think Trump is secretly a good and honest person?
I detest the prick with every fiber of my being.
Don't believe me ? Ask the longtime regs here.
Posted By: Jinx_The_Cat
Or are you among those poor misguided lemmings that think Trump is secretly a good and honest person?
The difference is Trump wears his fucked up shit on his sleeve and Hillary gets caught hiding hers.
If you think there is a moral difference between the two you are fucking delusional. They are BOTH POS people.
Feel free going with the "well MY candidate is LESS a POS than yours" if that makes you sleep better at night
I think most people (who voted) thought he was the lesser of two evils, yours truly wasn't one of those people.
And before one of you Hillary lovers starts going on and on about the popular vote, she currently has 1.3 million more votes, but she brought 2 million people back from the dead to vote for her, so that puts the real, honest total at -700,000. She cheated, and still lost to Donald Trump, I mean c'mon people she lost to the clown Donald trump, how fucking bad of a candidate do you have to be to lose to Donald Trump, and got her ass whooped.
election. Trumps peeps figured out EXACTLY what needed to be done and where. In the last few weeks of the campaign the engines on his 747 never got a chance to cool. The interesting part is that 10 days after the election the democrats still haven't figured out why they lost.
Like myself. Interesting that DT made 133 trips to battleground states, while she only made 87. Maybe Trump was right & she had "health/stamina" issues.
Posted By: stucaboy
election. Trumps peeps figured out EXACTLY what needed to be done and where. In the last few weeks of the campaign the engines on his 747 never got a chance to cool. The interesting part is that 10 days after the election the democrats still haven't figured out why they lost.
Scott Walker and Rebecca Kleefisch also won their recall elections in Wisconsin, even though there was a lot of problems in hunting down ballots that hadn't been counted or even turned in. There's no rhyme or reason to how voting works in Wisconsin. ALEC has assured that there will be confusion enough to cover whatever election irregularities the Republicans come up with.
But the electoral loss in the Rust Belt indeed reflects the problem that the working middle class has been stuck at the end of the line in terms of recovering from the Recession. That part isn't made up.
Gerrymandering accounts for why the electoral vote can swng elections, but Iowa has very little gertumandered districts, and they went for Trump. Which still makes no sense to me, but so it goes.
Clinton has about 2 million more votes in the popular vote, and if you add to the the count of the suppressed vote it's probably closer to 3 million. Even going with the official electoral count, the Trump doesn't really have a mandate, and Stein and Johnson also got votes, people who didn't vote for Trump. And then there are the deep thinkers who decided the best they could do was vote with their feet. They mostly are unhappy too. So the number of people across this nation who despise having a pig in the White House and are shocked at who surrounds him begging to be chosen for his cabinet.
There could be a movement to coalesce against him might prove fruitful. Of course apathy will probably set in soon, unless the pig repeatedly fucks up and continued to take credit for what others are doing despite him. But less see. So far he's done absolutely nothing for America, but he's still in his early 70s so he might still inadvertently cause some scrap of good.
A pig by any other name is still a pig.
...and not ONCE blame Hillary Clinton for the loss?
It is amazing just how out of touch some libs are about this election.
You better hope the DNC doesn't apply your bizarre read on the results as they will be doomed for decades
& could have easily won, sad to say.
Google "personal responsibility".
Posted By: WickedBrut
Scott Walker and Rebecca Kleefisch also won their recall elections in Wisconsin, even though there was a lot of problems in hunting down ballots that hadn't been counted or even turned in. There's no rhyme or reason to how voting works in Wisconsin. ALEC has assured that there will be confusion enough to cover whatever election irregularities the Republicans come up with.
But the electoral loss in the Rust Belt indeed reflects the problem that the working middle class has been stuck at the end of the line in terms of recovering from the Recession. That part isn't made up.
Gerrymandering accounts for why the electoral vote can swng elections, but Iowa has very little gertumandered districts, and they went for Trump. Which still makes no sense to me, but so it goes.
Clinton has about 2 million more votes in the popular vote, and if you add to the the count of the suppressed vote it's probably closer to 3 million. Even going with the official electoral count, the Trump doesn't really have a mandate, and Stein and Johnson also got votes, people who didn't vote for Trump. And then there are the deep thinkers who decided the best they could do was vote with their feet. They mostly are unhappy too. So the number of people across this nation who despise having a pig in the White House and are shocked at who surrounds him begging to be chosen for his cabinet.
There could be a movement to coalesce against him might prove fruitful. Of course apathy will probably set in soon, unless the pig repeatedly fucks up and continued to take credit for what others are doing despite him. But less see. So far he's done absolutely nothing for America, but he's still in his early 70s so he might still inadvertently cause some scrap of good.
A pig by any other name is still a pig.
and she still lost.
You may be the only lefty here not on drugs.
I may have to take back all the bad things I've been saying about you for these last several months.
BTW, I was fully prepared to "suck it up" and deal with a Clinton Presidency and said as much on Nov 8. I am very happy I won't have to, but I had mentally prepared to deal with it. I am a businessman, not an ideologue.
I had to endure the awful Nv Caucus to vote for her, which entailed me changing from an Independent to a Dem, something I really didn't want to do. If I were psychic & knew THIS outcome, I wouldn't have bothered.
She let me & my fellow progressives down. BADLY.
Posted By: GaGambler
and she still lost.
You may be the only lefty here not on drugs.
I may have to take back all the bad things I've been saying about you for these last several months.
BTW, I was fully prepared to "suck it up" and deal with a Clinton Presidency and said as much on Nov 8. I am very happy I won't have to, but I had mentally prepared to deal with it. I am a businessman, not an ideologue.
and that arrogance is perhaps what ultimately brought her down.
Yes, she did let you and your fellow progressives down, we only disagree about that being a GOOD thing as far as I am concerned.
You have to give Trump some of the credit however. I still believe he is the ONLY Rep that could have won. The other GOP candidates most certainly would have "held serve" in their strong holds, but as everyone, including you, already knew, the electoral map favored the Dems by a wide margin and just "holding serve" would have meant guaranteed defeat for the GOP. Trump realized EXACTLY what I've been saying for a year now, he had to win the rust belt to win. Now other Rep would have had a prayer in Michigan, Wisconsin or Pennsylvania. although Kasich would have done better than the rest of the field. Kasich was just about as exciting as Tim Kaine. Like him or not, Trump "commands" every room he is in. Kasich, just like Kaine most likely would have problems flagging down a waiter in a restaurant. Should that matter? perhaps. Does that matter? You're damned right it does.
because she ran a lackadaisical campaign; one which she thought 'entitled' her to be Prez...and because she is and has been a liar, cheat and corrupt. Voters saw this and literally vomited.
Dope.
Posted By: nuguy46
because she ran a lackadaisical campaign; one which she thought 'entitled' her to be Prez...and because she is and has been a liar, cheat and corrupt. Voters saw this and literally vomited.
Don't give us that pap you knew she was gonna lose. That's sophomoric.
Pal, when it comes to politics , honest as the day is long & forgotten more than you know, so keep your chickenshit alias piehole shut, ok ?
Posted By: USGrantlover
Don't give us that pap you knew she was gonna lose. That's sophomoric.
Struck a nerve? Glad you're back regardless Cheesy!!
You first day back from the crying room and you are getting all upset, coming all unglued, losing control and wetting your panties.
One thing you have not forgotten is how to throw a temper tantrum.
Yes 2016 does = GOP WH, Senate and House
here is a nice a pink crying towel for ya
she didn't figure they would stay home watching Whoopi and the View on election day.
They both ran for president in the same party that just had two term presidents in that party.
Secondly, in systems theory, when a system experiences a perturbation, it's in it's nature to return to homeostasis. The first Black president followed by the first female present seems to have been just too much change for our system to tolerate.
The 1988 election cuts your theory to threads, btw.
Posted By: mattradd
They both ran for president in the same party that just had two term presidents in that party.
Secondly, in systems theory, when a system experiences a perturbation, it's in it's nature to return to homeostasis. The first Black president followed by the first female present seems to have been just too much change for our system to tolerate.
Posted By: mattradd
Secondly, in systems theory, when a system experiences a perturbation, it's in it's nature to return to homeostasis.
Not when it's improperly tuned such that it's severely under-damped and has become inherently unstable.
But the reason she didn't win is because Democrats couldn't be bothered to exercise their civic responsibility to vote. They bought into the polls and what the media hyped as a shoe in, so they didn't need to take time out of their precious day to vote.
Republicans, and hopefully in the following elections Libertarians like me, take that civic responsibility a lot more seriously.
I predict, or perhaps just hope, that a Libertarian candidate will have a realistic chance at the presidency by the 2028 election.
I'm convinced that people are going to be sick of this partisan bullshit by then and they'll start to research other parties platforms to discover that they're more aligned to their beliefs.
