Standing Guard: Barack Obama`s Slippery Oratory

''To understand Barack Obama on the Second Amendment, you have to know about the clash of character between the then-Chicago state senator and an ordinary citizen who exercised his right to armed self-defense in violation of a local gun ban.

That citizen was a 52-year-old resident of Wilmette, Illinois, who, on Dec. 28, 2003, woke to find that, during the night, his home had been invaded by a career criminal; a thief who stole household items, keys and the homeowner’s car.

Not 24 hours after the first burglary, the thief returned. Using DeMar’s house keys, the man entered the home, this time setting off the alarm system, automatically notifying the security company. Given the previous night’s lackluster response by police, DeMar was prepared, armed with a handgun--legally purchased years before and kept in a safe. But under Wilmette’s gun ban, that firearm in the home was illegal.


DeMar confronted the criminal, and believing his children were in danger, shot the burglar, who then fled the home.


Cook County prosecutors ultimately declared DeMar’s use of a firearm to be justified. But Wilmette village officials pressed nonetheless to prosecute him for illegal possession of his handgun--a charge punishable by a huge fine and jail time.

The outcry of the Illinois public was heard all the way to the state capitol.

As a result, the Illinois House and Senate passed legislation in May 2004 to protect citizens who use handguns in self-defense in their homes or businesses despite local handgun bans.


And here lies the seminal moment for state Senator Barack Obama. When Obama turned thumbs down on the bill, he voted against the most basic element of the Second Amendment-- the right of defense of self and family-- the reason that millions of Americans own firearms.
When the governor vetoed the bill, Obama once again voted against a citizen’s right to self-defense. Despite his vote, the veto override passed the Senate and the House by overwhelming majorities, thereby enacting this bill into law.


Here’s how the Chicago Tribune put it: “Obama said he opposed allowing ordinary citizens to carry concealed weapons and that a federal law banning concealed carried weapons except for law enforcement is needed.” “Common sense gun safety” and the Second Amendment? Like the draconian proposals funded to the tune of $18,000,000 by the rabidly anti-gun Joyce Foundation while Obama was an activist member of its board of directors.
Obama’s alleged support of the Second Amendment is utterly cynical and false. Barack Obama is not for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms; he`s out to destroy it.''
http://www.nrapvf.org/News/Article.aspx?ID=286

FlimFlama gets to talk out both sides of his neck...

You ever been in combat son??? No?

I did'nt think so,

STFU!!

Being in combat does not have a damn thing to do with the 2nd amendment . The 2nd amendemnt applies to all citizens of US.
I knew you were joking but that would make Obama look even more stupid by implying it only was allowed by the military

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How do you know that it didn't include terms that would excuse shooting the in-laws for coming to dinner early?

People who draft legislation usually are pros with a specific agenda, and that agenda often defies common sense.

Your post defies logic and I sure hope you really are not a lawyer.


Amends the Criminal Code of 1961. Provides that it is an affirmative defense to a violation of a municipal ordinance that prohibits, regulates, or restricts the private ownership of firearms if the individual who is charged with the violation used the firearm in an act of self-defense or defense of another. Effective immediately.


Sec. 24-10. Municipal ordinance regulating firearms;  
8  affirmative defense to a violation. It is an affirmative  
9  defense to a violation of a municipal ordinance that prohibits,  
10  regulates, or restricts the private ownership of firearms if  
11  the individual who is charged with the violation used the  
12  firearm in an act of self-defense or defense of another.
 


Sec. 24-10. Municipal ordinance regulating firearms;  
8  affirmative defense to a violation. It is an affirmative  
9  defense to a violation of a municipal ordinance that prohibits,  
10  regulates, or restricts the private ownership of firearms if  
11  the individual who is charged with the violation used the  
12  firearm in an act of self-defense or defense of another as  
13  defined in Sections 7-1 and 7-2 of this Code when on his or her  
14  land or in his or her abode or fixed place of business




http://ilga.gov/legislation/fulltext.asp?DocName=09300SB2165&GA=93&SessionId=3&DocTypeId=SB&LegID=&DocNum=2165&GAID=3&Session=
Obama voted twice aganist the right to self defense.
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Obama voted against 2nd amendment for good reasons.

Who commits more gun violence in this country? There lies your answer.

Same goal if elected POTUS.

Hope not. What a liar.

Not to worry. Wright, Ayers, Rezko, Auichi, Hamas will do him in.

will still find some way to interpret this as Obama being a supporter of the 2nd Ammendment.

Cmon Moose, I want to hear it.

Good point and I know the answer

the congregation in a prayerful firefight, would that satisfy enough of your preconceptions?

I fucking doubt it.

Obama is anti gun no bones about it !


presidential campaign has worked to assure uneasy gun owners that he believes the Constitution protects their rights and that he doesn’t want to take away their guns.

But before he became a national political figure, he sat on the board of a Chicago-based foundation that doled out at least nine grants totaling nearly $2.7 million to groups that advocated the opposite positions.

The foundation funded legal scholarship advancing the theory that the Second Amendment does not protect individual gun owners’ rights, as well as two groups that advocated handgun bans. And it paid to support a book called “Every Handgun Is Aimed at You: The Case for Banning Handguns.”
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0408/9722.html

you would be PRO-gun.

I mean, how the HELL are you going to be FOR or AGAINST a piece of machinery?!   What I'm against is operators who aren't as smart as their weapons.

I guess you would be aganist yourself then because  I have hunted and been around guns all my life and know more then you ever will about them    

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actually take that thing off the rack?  Think you could hit a man at 500m w/ iron sights?

Its ok your bedtime will be soon so your mamma can tuck you in . Little boys do not play with real guns

If JackO accidently blew his brain cell(not a typo) out.

and if you think your 3 fucking week hunting season trying to find some hapless buck that you will have a hard time hitting with a scope at 150 yards makes you some kind of fucking expert, you're delusional.  

Which would probably also explain a lot about your political preferences.


So why don't you go tuck in a few of my boys?  If you have the balls, LOL!

I can see you get your talking  points from Air America .Go listen to it more and wack off since you cannot come up with original thought !

I can see you get your talking  points from Air America .Go listen to it more and wack off since you cannot come up with original thought !

http://www.votevets.org/index_html

if you knew all that much about guns, they wouldn't excite you so much.

Your alias really fits you to a T since I beat you like a piñata in my last post and just  did again

now would you?

if GAG ever actually had something to say?

the fact that you don't like any of it doesn't change that.

Here's something I have to say

JACKO'S A MORON !!!

ROFLMAO

You are like shooting fish in a barrel
But I tire at this game so I will let others take over.

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There's nothing in the Second Amendment about the right of self defense. You also need to keep in mind the the prevailing Supreme Court decision says that Second Amendment does NOT guarantee the right of individual gun ownership.

originally intended to provide individual rights, but only a compact among states, and a limitation on FEDERAL powers.  It wasn't until the 19 (NINETEEN) 60s that the Bill of Rights started getting seriously extended to limiting the states as well.

And that self-defense has ALWAYS been a matter of criminal law, including the 18th century when it was written; and that is a matter of STATE law, not Federal.  So it's just not going to enter into the picture.

And it doesn't make shit for difference anyway, because contrary to popular belief, there are ALWAYS factual limitations to ALL constitutional provisions, including the one we are most rabid about, the 1st amendment.

Somehow everybody understands that no interpretation of the 2nd amendment is going to allow you to hold Sat am live fire drills with your MG crew in the park; so the question here is always going to be, who gets what gun when & where.   It seems likely to me that they'll fall back on some sort of fuzzy "reasonable" standard, which is an endless argument that will depend a lot on the presumptions created by local regulations.

So the NRA has beat themselves - now they're going to be paying LAWYERS to argue they should be allowed a 12 round mag instead of 6, and the bills will be far higher than the cost of ammo.

That's life.   Especially when you're dumb enough to mistake symbols for substance.

Self-defense is inherent in our inalienable rights of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness and guns provide that means to defend oneself.

The last Supreme Court ruling on the topic came in 1939 in U.S. v. Miller, which involved a sawed-off shotgun. Constitutional scholars disagree over what that case means but agree it did not answer the question of the right of individual gun ownership and is ambiguous in its reasoning that is why the DC ruling might  be important if it is not too restrictive.

Read the argument by Gura, he wipes the floor with Dellingher and talks about the premise that the 2nd amendment is based on the right of self defense.
Read this http://www.supremecourtus.gov/oral_arguments/argument_transcripts/07-290.pdf



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