Politics and Religion

Saudi Arabia calls bullshit on Trump‘s claim…
BigPapasan 3 Reviews 243 reads
posted
1 / 22

…in the presser with Bibi that the Saudis were not demanding a Palestinian state.

 
After Trump‘s press conference with Bibi, Saudi Arabia’s foreign ministry released a statement:
“ Saudi Arabia rejects any attempts to displace the Palestinians from their land.  Our stance towards the Palestinians is not negotiable.”

 
The statement further read:
“ Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman has affirmed the kingdom’s position in a clear and explicit manner that does not allow for any interpretation under any circumstances.”

inicky46 61 Reviews 14 reads
posted
2 / 22

Remember 8 years ago when Trump's grandiose plans were derailed by his and his regime's sheer incompetence? Like "the big, beautiful healthcare plan" that was going to replace Obamacare "in two weeks?" Or the infrastructure bill that never arrived until Biden got it done?
Everyone thought that Trump and his cronies had learned how to use the levers of government more effectively and would avoid the same mistakes.
But now he's stepping on his own dick with stupid shit like this while letting Musk's "Junior Cost-Cutters" run amok and getting sued by thousands of FBI agents.
He's the biggest fuckup on the planet.

inicky46 61 Reviews 14 reads
posted
3 / 22

"President Trump’s proposal for the United States to take over Gaza, transfer its population to Egypt and Jordan and redevelop it into the “Riviera of the Middle East” would unquestionably be a severe violation of international law, experts say.

Forced deportation or transfer of a civilian population is a violation of international humanitarian law, a war crime and a crime against humanity. The prohibition against forced deportations of civilians has been a part of the law of war since the Lieber Code, a set of rules on the conduct of hostilities, was promulgated by Union forces during the U.S. Civil War. It is prohibited by multiple provisions of the Geneva Conventions, and the Nuremberg Tribunal after World War II defined it as a war crime.

The Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court lists forcible population transfers as both a war crime and a crime against humanity. And if the displacement is focused on a particular group based on their ethnic, religious or national identity, then it is also persecution — an additional crime. (Because Palestine is a party to the International Criminal Court, the court has jurisdiction over those crimes if they take place within Gaza, even if they are committed by citizens of the United States, which is not a member of the court.)

When Mr. Trump was asked how much of Gaza’s population he wanted to move, he said, “all of them,” adding, “I would think that they would be thrilled.” And when he was pressed on whether he would force them to go even if they did not want to, Mr. Trump said, “I don’t think they’re going to tell me no.”

Janina Dill, the co-director of the Oxford Institute for Ethics, Law and Armed Conflict, said in a statement that forcing Gazans to leave would be a crime: “The scale of such an undertaking, the level of coercion and force required, hence the gravity, make this a straightforward crime against humanity.”

It would be a further, severe violation for the United States to permanently take over the territory of Gaza. The specifics of that violation would depend partly on whether Palestine is considered a state, said Marko Milanovic, a professor of international law at the University of Reading in England. The United Nations has recognized Palestinian statehood, but the United States has not.

The prohibition on one state annexing all or part of another state’s territory is one of the most important, foundational principles of international law. “There’s a clear rule,” Milanovic said. “You cannot conquer someone else’s territory.” It is rare for states to violate that rule, and when they have, as in the case of Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, the response has been widespread global condemnation.

Aggression, which the International Criminal Court defines as a state using force “against the sovereignty, territorial integrity or political independence of another State, or in any other manner inconsistent with the Charter of the United Nations,” is also a crime. The court would not be able to prosecute Mr. Trump or other U.S. officials for that crime, because unlike with other war crimes, it can only prosecute aggression if it is committed by a citizen of a member state. But lack of jurisdiction would not mean that the conduct itself is legal.

And even if Gaza is not considered part of a state, U.S. annexation of the territory would still violate the civilian population’s right to self-determination. The International Court of Justice has ruled twice that the Palestinian people are entitled to that right within Gaza.

“If you take it without their consent, you’re violating their right to self-determination,” Mr. Milanovic said. “There’s really no doubt about that.”

willywonka4u 22 Reviews 21 reads
posted
4 / 22

I’m perfectly fine with Muslims and Jews pointlessly killing each other over a pointless strip of land, but I don’t want US blood anywhere near it.

BigPapasan 3 Reviews 14 reads
posted
5 / 22

“Genius!”

 
Because that’s how Deutschland Donny thinks.  
“Crime against humanity” should have been his campaign slogan.

coeur-de-lion 400 Reviews 13 reads
posted
6 / 22

poking the bear to keep himself at the top of the news cycle.  This is called negotiating leverage.  Trump will help develop it for Palestinian resettlement on the condition that Hamas and other terrorist groups are not allowed in.  

BigPapasan 3 Reviews 19 reads
posted
7 / 22

…pointlessly killing each other over whose way of worshiping God is correct.  

 
Onward Christian Soldiers!
2 Timothy 2:3

BigPapasan 3 Reviews 13 reads
posted
8 / 22

…that the leader of the free world has to try to keep himself at the top of the news cycle?

 
Trump isn’t running FOR anything.  He’s running FROM the guys with the butterfly nets and straitjackets.

inicky46 61 Reviews 13 reads
posted
9 / 22

Here's The Times' take on it:
"Top Trump administration officials on Wednesday walked back elements of President Trump’s proposal to “take over” Gaza and drive out the Palestinian population, insisting that he had not committed to using U.S. troops to clear the territory and that any relocation of Palestinians would be temporary.

Mr. Trump’s brazen proposal to move as many as two million Palestinians out of Gaza and seize and redevelop it as a U.S. territory met with immediate opposition on Wednesday from key American partners and officials around the world, with many expressing support for a Palestinian state, and experts calling the idea a breach of international law. Less than 24 hours after Mr. Trump floated the plan, top administration officials sought to soften it.

Speaking to reporters in Guatemala, Secretary of State Marco Rubio twice suggested that Mr. Trump was only proposing to clear out and rebuild Gaza, not claim indefinite possession of the territory. Steve Witkoff, the special envoy to the Middle East, told Republican senators at a closed-door luncheon that Mr. Trump “doesn’t want to put any U.S. troops on the ground, and he doesn’t want to spend any U.S. dollars at all” on Gaza, according to Senator Josh Hawley of Missouri.

And at the White House, the press secretary, Karoline Leavitt, said “the president has not committed to putting boots on the ground in Gaza,” though she did not specify how the United States could take control of the territory without using military force.

The Gaza proposal, which Mr. Trump unveiled on Tuesday during a visit by Israel’s prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, to the White House, upended decades of international diplomacy and opened a geopolitical Pandora’s box with far-reaching implications for the Middle East. Most immediately, it complicated talks about extending a fragile cease-fire between Israel and Hamas; placed Egypt and Jordan in an impossible position; and threatened the U.S. ambition for normalized diplomatic relations between Israel and Saudi Arabia.

In a statement issued before 4 a.m. local time, Saudi Arabia expressed its “unequivocal rejection” of attempts to displace Palestinians and reiterated that it would not establish diplomatic ties with Israel in the absence of an independent Palestinian state. Egypt’s foreign ministry said that aid and recovery programs for Gaza would have to begin “without the Palestinians leaving.” And King Abdullah II of Jordan, in a meeting with the head of the Palestinian Authority on Wednesday, rejected any attempt to displace Palestinians and annex their land.

Gaza has been devastated by the war between Israel and Hamas, which was set off by the militant group’s Oct. 7, 2023, attack on Israel. Speaking alongside Mr. Netanyahu at the White House on Tuesday evening, Mr. Trump described Gaza as “a demolition site” that the United States would rebuild into “the Riviera of the Middle East.”

Hamas has ruled in Gaza for most of the past two decades and has begun re-establishing control there since a cease-fire took effect last month. The group immediately rejected the idea of a mass relocation of the territory’s population, a politically explosive proposal in a region with a long and bloody history of forced displacement.

Here is what else to know:

Against the law: Mr. Trump’s proposal would be a severe violation of international law, experts say. Forced deportation or transfer of a civilian population is defined as a violation of international humanitarian law, a war crime and a crime against humanity.

Gaza reaction: Palestinians in Gaza expressed a mixture of condemnation and confusion over Mr. Trump’s comments. And while some residents rejected leaving Gaza under any circumstances, others said conditions were so unlivable after 15 months of Israeli bombardment that they would consider relocating.

Israeli embrace: Far-right politicians in Israel welcomed Mr. Trump’s plan as unraveling decades of unwelcome orthodoxy on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, as well as raising the possibility of negating the militant threat in Gaza without creating a Palestinian state.

Around the world: Mr. Trump brought together allies and adversaries alike in opposition to his proposal, though some sought to strike a balance by not criticizing him directly."
Jumping Jesus on Meth, what a colossal fuck-up Trump is. So much for the US being respected again abroad.

coeur-de-lion 400 Reviews 16 reads
posted
10 / 22

egg on their face.  Worldwide as well as US reaction is that this may not be a bad idea.  Gaza has been a shithole for two centuries.  Why would people expect that doing the same thing again would give a different result?  It's time to think outside the box, and that's what Trump does best.  He's getting some positive feedback from leaders in the region.  

inicky46 61 Reviews 15 reads
posted
11 / 22

Unsubstantiated claims and no links. I call bullshit on all of it.

coeur-de-lion 400 Reviews 15 reads
posted
12 / 22

a few days ago and the Japanese Prime Minister today said it deserved to be looked at as an investment.  Some of the naysayers from earlier in the week are softening their initial criticism.  Give it time and Trump will be hailed a genius.

inicky46 61 Reviews 15 reads
posted
13 / 22

Of course Bibi said it was a great idea, he was standing next to Trump. So was the Head Nip. And Bibi was grateful he said it because it removes pressure for him to let the Palestinians have their own state,  But I guarantee you behind the scenes both men were ridiculing Trump as a complete idiot.

LostSon 43 Reviews 16 reads
posted
14 / 22

Posted By: inicky46
Re: Oh, please....
Of course Bibi said it was a great idea, he was standing next to Trump. So was the Head Nip. And Bibi was grateful he said it because it removes pressure for him to let the Palestinians have their own state,  But I guarantee you behind the scenes both men were ridiculing Trump as a complete idiot.
Bet  they weren't and "Head Nip?" Seriously?

Ohhh Icky pooooo, do we have to have yet another class on using racial pejoratives? I mean ya got bitchslapped like Snow Turd over the use of the "R word"  

PS You are slipping on your own Grammer Nazing.  

Re: Oh, please... (Its 3 dots, not 4)
Of course, ~ (you forgot a coma) Bibi said it was a great idea, he was standing next to Trump. So was the Head Nip (As mentioned earlier Racial Pejoratives are NOT Allowed, BAD ICKY BAD ! ! !). And Bibi was grateful he said it because it removed (It's removed not removes) pressure for him to let the Palestinians have their own state,  But I guarantee you "that" (you forgot that) behind the scenes both men were ridiculing Trump as a complete idiot

inicky46 61 Reviews 57 reads
posted
15 / 22

I knew that would trigger a sanctimonious righty, probably you. And you rose to the bait. Pussy.
Here, fishy, fishy, fishy!!!!

LostSon 43 Reviews 24 reads
posted
16 / 22

That's all. Had a little slip and unless you get this thread pulled you ICKUS are (wait for it...)  

A   R A C I S T  ! ! !  

Congrats! P.S. ya like my attempt at your gig as a Grammer Nazi? when are you going to stop being a Hypocrite?

coeur-de-lion 400 Reviews 12 reads
posted
17 / 22

Then that means there are no important stories about Democrats.  It really doesn't matter, the only news Dems are getting the past few weeks is when they make fools of themselves by protesting against campaign promises Trump is keeping that are what the majority of Americans wanted.  

impposter 49 Reviews 19 reads
posted
18 / 22

Trump did NOT win a majority of Americans' votes. He won a plurality of Americans' votes.

Posted By: coeur-de-lion
Re: If Trump is at the top of the news cycle, . . . .
Then that means there are no important stories about Democrats.  It really doesn't matter, the only news Dems are getting the past few weeks is when they make fools of themselves by protesting against campaign promises Trump is keeping that are what the majority of Americans wanted.  
Trump is a showman, a P. T. Barnum showman.

cks175 44 Reviews 17 reads
posted
19 / 22

The piece I picked up the “Mar-A-Gaza” is mostly critical of the plan, but does seem to acknowledge that at least Trump is thinking outside the box on this seemingly intractable issue.

TGIF: Mar-a-Gaza
Trump plans the Riviera of the Middle East, and the DOGE boys air the bureaucracy’s dirty laundry. Plus: Pronouns keep dropping, TurboTax gets a MAGA rebrand, and more evidence of the vibe shift.
Inspirational. And aspirational. ‘Someplace where they can live and not die’ does seem like a low bar
If you think this is all a joke, here’s Italy’s top diplomat seeming to embrace this Mar-a-Gaza scheme: “Today, it is important to listen carefully to new ideas that have been proposed and to think outside the box.”

SnowKing69 11 Reviews 21 reads
posted
20 / 22

not surprising that filthy maga traitor cunts support the idea of genocide

eroticspirit 27 Reviews 18 reads
posted
21 / 22

WOW!! SnowKing--you have a PATHOLOGICAL case of TDS!! You need some serious help!

cks175 44 Reviews 17 reads
posted
22 / 22

I put him on ignore a while ago. Reminds me of Laffy, who is no longer with us.

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