@realrabidhackickypus
Well pus, as I recall, his stated reason for going there was to render aid to the injured.
If that was in fact true he should not have had a gun or any weapon with him.
Then they lied that he planned to use his gun to massacre them. Trouble is, video shows that his legally-licensed pistol was never drawn. All he was holding was a phone. They slammed him to the ground, disarmed him then shot him in the back ten times. Then lied about it. These murderers should go to jail. Even gun rights activists are furious.
When is enough, enough for you righty loons?
Not trigger prone wannables trying to meet a quota.
And 10 shots seems excessive.
There are some questions
Why did he bring a hand gun and two high capacity magazines to a so called “peaceful” protest?
If all he intended to do is video why bring a gun?
Was his intention to just video? Or something else?
If he was simply peacefully videoing why did he resist the agents? He clearly did not cooperate with the agents.
Why, when he on the ground did he continue to fight and resist the agents?
Suicide by cop?
Did he, at some point, intend to use the gun for nefarious reasons/purpose?
If the agents fucked up then they need to be held accountable.
I’m not surprised that the rabid extreme leftists are going to their scripted conclusions, to suit their narrative.
The hate just Oozes from the left.
That's rich. My god Trump has made you all a bunch of hypocrites. Sickening really. Just watch this VERY uncomfortable video where the Border Control Commander had to back down off his own reckless rhetoric and that of Noem's. Dana Bash takes him down and does so repeatedly. This guy is an embarrassment.:
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http://www.cnn.com/2026/01/25/politics/video/bovino-dana-bash-full-interview-digvid
Yes he had a concealed carry permit and had the right to carry but because one has the right to do something does not mean it is the right thing to do.
Still why carry a loaded 9mm with two full magazines (not clips eddie) into such a volatile situation?
Was he afraid of the protesters/rioters he was videoing?
Seems he was on their side.
Was he looking for a shootout with federal agents?
Why did he resist and fight with the agents?
I suspect things would be very different if he had just put his hands up told the agents he is legally carrying and provide identification and proof to carry. Oh wait he had no ID on his person.
Why?
Why did he not want to be identified?
And so many more questions. As I asked above.
I am willing to let the investigation play out, video analyzed in the lab, witness interviews agent interviews, fact collected and analyzed. And accept the final conclusion/report.
If the agents were in the wrong they need to answer for their actions.
Are you and the extreme left willing to do the same and accept the results regardless of which way it goes?
Or will you and your rabid leftist comrades continue to obey your masters and keep vomiting what you are told to say.
Were you OK with sobbing Kyle?
I still do not understand why his parents were not charged with anything, considering he was only 17 at the time.
their spawn murdered two people. He should be somebody's bitch in jail. But that's likely how he will end up.
They weren’t charged because they didn’t do anything illegal. Kyle’s acquittal pretty much locked in the fact that they wouldn’t be facing charges. Now if Kyle had been found guilty, it’s possible the prosecutors would have looked for a way to also charge one or both parents.
their spawn murdered two people. He should be somebody's bitch in jail. But that's likely how he will end up.
@realrabidhackickypus
Well pus, as I recall, his stated reason for going there was to render aid to the injured.
If that was in fact true he should not have had a gun or any weapon with him.
My opinion is, he should not have been there to begin with.
The whole point of having a concealed carry permit is to take it into volatile situations to protect yourself. And no, I am not left wing or right wing, I am a constitutional Libertarian that fully supports 2A rights.
Wild how quickly right wing individuals jumped ship supporting 2A in any and all situations when it is not their "team" with the gun. True constitutional American patriots do not waiver in supporting 2A. Never. Do better.
Unless you are a licensed officer, it is NOT recommended to carry a firearm (open or concealed) into a potential volatile situation. This is vigilantism. Any reputable CC/firearms trainer will explain this in detail to his or her students.
Defending yourself or others would include taking out an active shooter in the grocery store or church while you were in the moment.
Running into a store or church where you hear or become aware of an active threat starts to push the envelope.
Carrying a firearm (open or concealed) into a volatile protest against law enforcement would put the carrier at risk of losing each and every protection afforded to them by state and/or federal law. Plus, it's just fucking stupid.
The second amendment does not exist for vigilantes.
When you are on this website just stick to one account that you post from. Everyone knows you have multiple accounts and it is easy to see the ones you are posting from. You also spend a ridiculous amount of time on here and have a spreadsheet of what everyone posts. Going back and forth to defend your posts with your other accounts is just so weird. And no, don't bother sending me an email to bitch. Have a great rest of your week!!!
Now you're really pulling shit out of your ass. I've never had a second account for this site and although I do have an alias, I've used it probably less than 10 times in all of my years on here and no, I stop in once or twice a day to keep up on what all the bitching is about.
BTW, I still haven't gotten those emails you claimed were sent by my old email. Guess they really don't exist afterall, lol.
This isn't a good look for someone claiming to be a stable and reputable provider. Again, if you don't like my response to the inaccurate shit you post, quit pushing false information! Super simple!
Fox News is reporting that some of the ICE rank and file are not happy with Noem and DHS HQ’s PR strategy. Maybe Trump sending Tom Homan to Minnesota is a precursor to Homan replacing Noem.
He was an American citizen and an avid outdoorsman and probably liked to target practice, so the extra clip. He had a concealed carry permit and no criminal record. His chosen profession was intensive care nurse to help save lives, not to take them. He also worked at the VA hospital taking care of our veterans unlike a certain President. He got alone well with other people, i.e. he was not a lone wolf or recluse. But Patel's FBI won't investigate the ICE shooters, just try to dig up or make up dirt on the victim. We've seen this show before.
And I hate to be Candice Owens-y on this one, but no one is investigating Charlie Kirk's murder like this...
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Several prominent Second Amendment rights groups have blasted federal officials for suggesting it's dangerous – and possibly an indication of malintent – for lawful gun owners to protest while in possession of their legally obtained firearms.
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Hours after the fatal shooting, Assistant U.S. Attorney Bill Essayli in Southern California took to X and said, "If you approach law enforcement with a gun, there is a high likelihood they will be legally justified in shooting you. Don’t do it!" Other members of the Trump administration argued peaceful protesters don't show up with guns.
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Several prominent gun rights groups took issue with Essayli's statement, including the National Rifle Association.
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Gun Owners for America said in a statement that its leaders "condemn the untoward comments" by Essayli.
"Federal agents are not 'highly likely' to be 'legally justified' in 'shooting' concealed carry licensees who approach while lawfully carrying a firearm," the group said. "The Second Amendment protects Americans' right to bear arms while protesting — a right the federal government must not infringe upon."
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"No one who wants to be peaceful shows up at a protest with a firearm that is loaded with two full magazines," he [Kash Patel] said, adding, "You cannot bring a firearm loaded with multiple magazines to any sort of protest that you want. It's that simple. You don't have that right to break the law."
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Patel and other Trump administration officials have previously defended Kyle Rittenhouse, who at the age of 17 brought an AR-15 style rifle to a protest in Kenosha, Wisconsin, in 2020. Rittenhouse shot three men, killing two and injuring one, and was later acquitted on all related charges.
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http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2026/01/25/alex-pretti-minneapolis-shooting-gun-rights-border-patrol-ice/88348880007/
The officers didn't communicate and someone died because of it. What looks like so far is that an officer grabbed the gun and another thought it was being "pulled" and shot.
Horrible job by them.
Now to the real issue. Why was the individual there? Why was he obstructing?
I'm not blaming the victim. But he did put himself in that situation. Do you feel sorry for a drunk driver who kills themselves in a one vehicle accident? All of it could have been avoided if he didn't obstruct.
Also all CC permit holders know. That when dealing with law enforcement you tell them where the weapon is and how do they want you to follow thru on securing it. Yeah it is taught in MN Concealed carry classes.
Again so far this is a fuck up by ICE not communicating with each other. But again see above about why obstruct, why didn't he say I have a weapon and am a CC permit holder while dealing with officers, etc.
You want to bring up "training" by ICE....which is valid argument. But the CC permit holder had training and by having that permit he needed to follow the rules....which he didn't. So both parties fucked up. Also it is against the law to obstruct. Again....not "pardoning" the shooter at all. But you need to look at it all the way around. Which I know some on here won't and find away to blame Trump.
The murder victim wasn't obstructing anything. He had come to the aid of the woman that federal thugs had pushed into a snow bank when he was pepper sprayed in the face and tackled to the ground by 5 or 6 federal thugs and also punched in the head. He wasn't given the opportunity to tell the federal thugs he was carrying a weapon legally. The federal thugs removed the weapon from him while he was helpless on the ground then shot him to death. This was murder. Another murder by trump's goon squad.
after saying it. The man had every legal right to be there under the First Amendment. His pistol was legally licensed under the Second Amendment. His gun was not displayed or used and he had ZERO obligation to say anything. In fact, if he'd said, "I've got a gun," those goons would have shot him sooner.
So the guy was interfering with the agents when they were dealing with another woman.....got it
Why did it take pepper spray and 6+ agents to get him to the ground? That doesn't sound like being compliant. How about you ignoring the facts about CC permit holders duty when dealing with LE. All facts you are ignoring and you can see with your own eyes with the vids that are out.
Again ICE fucked up and didn't communicate with themselves and communicating with the victim.
But again ignore facts
You can't be that obtuse, can you? Your so-called "facts" are just your biased opinions and what you desperately want to believe. The murder victim was just helping a woman to her feet who had been shoved to the ground by federal thugs. The thugs weren't "dealing" with her; they were assaulting her. She's fortunately they didn't kill her too. Then the federal thugs assaulted him with pepper spray, gang tackle, punches, and then executed him. That was an unnecessary and lethal use of force. It was murder.
Anyone who could ask why it took 6 thugs and pepper spray to bring him to the ground completely missed the point. ICE didn't NEED that many people to subdue him. He was attacked by a gang of them for helping a woman and holding up a camera. They jumped him when they didn't need to. This is what a police riot looks like. But this utter toxic clown sees it upside down and inside out. Like I said: he's a lost cause.
He clearly grabs the agent that shoved the rabid cunt on her ass. That's assault and battery on the part of murse. The ICE agent was justified in shoving the cunt away, she assaulted him. This just isn't an arguable point, it's on video. The shooting is wide open for speculation but up until shots fired, it's fuck around meets find out and then the murse resisted arrest.
"Rabid cunt", huh. Well aren't you a fair, impartial observer. She didn't assault the federal thug. The federal goon assaulted her. Stop the gaslighting. The goons assaulted the woman and the victim before murdering the victim.
calling him a "murse." This about a guy who cared for veterans. What a fucking pig.
It's clearly seen on any one of several videos that haven't been edited to leave that part out. It's after the officer justifiably shoves her (the rabid cunt) back and she falls down that Mr. Nurse decides to assault and batter the officer.
Yes, I'm sticking with rabid cunt because I'm quite tired of the people that have been emboldened by our leaders to scream in people's faces and now blow shrill whistles in people's faces also while interfering in legal law enforcement activities.
These same actions are happening all over the USA and people are staying the fuck out of the way and nobody is dying in the process. There aren't 3000 ICE agents in other cities because their governors and mayors have the police helping with crowd control when needed.
Fun fact, if MPLS allowed ICE to pick these folks that have ICE detainers on them directly from our own jail, we wouldn't be experiencing any of this and the nurse and the lesbian would still be living their lives.
All you libs can't understand that it can be BOTH parties at fault.
1. Guy didn't interfere with the officers.....it wouldn't have happened
2. If he wasn't at the protest it wouldn't have happened
3. If he didn't have his gun on him...it wouldn't have happened.
4. If he would have just dropped to the ground and not resisted or complied.....it wouldn't have happened.
Now on the officers ...
1. If they would have communicated who had the gun....it wouldn't have happened.
2. If better training it wouldn't have happened (see #1)
3. Not have rushed to draw a weapon....wouldn't have happened.
Both can be true at the same time. But liberals don't understand that. It has to be one-sided. It is why our political situation is what it is. But yeah.....facts are ignored by the left.
And if the victim had never been born it wouldn't have happened.
You are being ridiculous and blaming the victim. It is the trigger-happy federal goon squad who is responsible for killing an innocent good Samaritan who at the moment he was shot nine times was unarmed, laying on his stomach, and not a threat to anyone.
the Minnesota MAGA twins, along with all of MAGA nation, have any humanity or compassion left in their hearts and minds. But if they do, and I'd like to hope that they do, why can't they be for deportations but not for the cruel, inhumane, and deadly way federal agents are conducting themselves. Why is it always a zero sum game with unwavering support of cruelty and death when Innocent lives are being taken and American communities are living in fear. It's ok to be in favor of the policy but against the way the policy is being administered. This is out of control and must be solved before our country, the country that we all love, is torn apart and destroyed forever. Only the trump administration can turn down the temperature, and the only hope of them doing that is if they hear from their MAGA base that it's gone too far.
But first, back to your previous reply…
Now onto the second part of your statement
Totality of Circumstances: Courts must look at the entire context of the incident, not just the moment of shooting.
Reasonable Officer Perspective: The force is judged from the perspective of a reasonable officer on the scene, acknowledging they often make split-second decisions in tense, uncertain circumstances.
Objective Test: The officer's subjective intentions do not matter, only whether their actions were objectively reasonable.
Compare that with the final two years of President Barack Obama’s administration.
In fiscal years 2015 and 2016, ICE recorded 263 mistaken arrests, 54 mistaken detentions (book-ins), and four mistaken removals.
During those two years, ICE made a mere 239,645 arrests, meaning the 54 mistaken detentions alone produced an Obama error rate of 0.0225% — about one mistake for every 4,444 arrests.
That administration didn’t publish clear detention totals, but the closest available figures show about 498,646 detentions and deportations over five fiscal years, an average of roughly 99,729 per year.
If that annual rate held throughout the entire administration, ICE processed about 797,834 individuals.
Under that estimate, 56 deaths translates into a rate of 0.007% — roughly one death for every 14,314 detainees.
By comparison, the rate last year under Trump was slightly lower: 0.0054%, or one death for every 18,594 detainees.
Both those figures are substantially below the average death rate for the detainee age group.
Stanage’s rant omitted one key data point: the number of Americans accidentally deported.
The reason for him not doing so is straightforward — none occurred.
That’s right, for all the tumult and fury, ICE under Trump made no erroneous deportations through November.
By contrast, ICE under Obama deported two US citizens in fiscal year 2015, and two more in fiscal year 2016.
Thanks for showing us who you are. Someone without humanity and compassion and uninterested in finding a solution to this grave problem. Next.
That never happened. The weapon had been pulled from the holster on his back before other ICE thugs shot him in the back.
I heard initial reports of only be had a weapon on him. Not being pulled. So where were you getting distorted facts. You can see in another thread I said that.
Also again which you and others can't get thru your head. Both parties....victim and shooter can be in the wrong. It isn't one sided. Like I mentioned about CC permit holders....when confronted by LEO you need to disclose that you are armed. Did he do this...don't know? You are supposed to be submissive and follow orders.....by the looks of the video he didn't? Was he interfering with officers ...by the video yes...when he went to "help" the woman who was shoved. That is interfering..... Officers were clearing the road.
I'm not saying the shoot was "justified" at all. I have pointed out the fuck up by officers. Yet you and others can't get all of this thru your head. Two wrongs don't make a right.
No again you are failing to actually look at things in a neutral light.
Like I said..... both are to blame. Do you blame a drunk driver when they kill themselves in an accident? You know they are the ones responsible for drinking too much, they were responsible for getting into the vehicle..... You know PERSONAL responsibility does come into play.
I guess you are now going to blame the officers who threw a flash bag grande to clear a crowd that was becoming aggressive.....but not the idiot who picked it up and it went off in their hands. Actions have consequences.
Just like the shooting..... The officers fucked up and so did the individual. Both can be true. You don't even say "guy was just protesting and using his rights"..... Protesting isn't interfering, obstructing, and resisting. Which is what happened. Also the officers fucked up by not communicating, being in fear, and following protocol. The officer who shot was putting other officers in danger.
But yeah just be biased.
You want to talk deportations..... Why isn't states working with getting the worse out? Again it is BOTH WAYS and both can be true.
If police would cooperate and hand over the criminals that ICE has asked them to "hold"....but they are not. They are releasing them onto the streets so these operations have happened. Another fact you are ignoring. These states are doing it to just say fuck you to trump and not actually work with him. Again it is also on Trump as well with ramping up this shit to the point it is.
Again....both can be true at the same time. But I know u won't see it that way at all. How about the fact that MN politicians Frey and Walz told people to interfere and what not......you think that has helped???
You've pretty much nailed it in very post. Smart people don't put themselves in dangerous situations or contribute to self elimination. CCW holders first obligation is to flee trouble. Would I bring my CCW to a protest, likely yes if legal. Would I resist or not comply in any manner if confronted by law enforcement, no. My hands would be visible and I'd be telling them I am armed and have a CC permit and will obey their instructions.
One other fact that is overlooked is that area at the time, like all these "protest", are like war zones with whistles, pans banging, bullhorns, air horns, car horns, flash bangs and tear gas along with every other noise device that anyone could think of. That impedes law enforcement and impedes their ability to communicate and even think. It also creates stress and hampers their ability to make what needs to be split second decisions. Ask anyone who has been in war what the fog of war is. This is an active war perpetrated by people who say they are protesting.
Go into that situation and resist or fight then add a weapon on your person...it's not going to end well.
For some reason there is a certain segment of the population who think they can engage in any action with law enforcement and be safe. Why take the gamble, its not safe? Comply, don't resist in any manner and have your day in court. Or resist and increase your odds of never having that chance.
I'll give 100% deference to law enforcement in all matters. The shit they deal with every minute of every day should not be wished or put upon anyone. Many seem to forget that they are under threat often. In this case it's clear he was fighting being subdued regardless of the reason you don't do that. Then his gun which apparently became visible and then removed by another officer. With the group situation and the resistance you can bet someone saw or yelled gun and the split second decision was made. LE does not have minutes, hours or days to study video, they must act to protect their safety or most times they are dead. Many die each year but are hardly reported.
Both sides are at fault but if individuals don't put themselves in these situations, they go home 100% of the time. Hindsight is always 20/20 when split second decisions need to be made under duress.
If MN and MPLS complied with lawful federal detainers instead of impeding federal law and claiming sanctuary status there would be no need for protest.
If MPLS provided security for lawful federal immigration enforcement there would be no need for thousands of law enforcement or the guard to be there and non of this would happen.
Everyone should follow the law. Don't want to follow it, take it to court and make your case. Act out on the street, Impede, confront or harass law enforcement its going to be a bad day for everyone. Everyone makes mistakes and nobody is perfect so why take unnecessary risk.
...she was the cause of his death, actually. She chose to assault the officer and he pushed her back and knocked her down in the process. Couple of points... I hope she's uncontrollably sobbing over still is that she acted pretty tough (fucked around) and got laid out by a little push (found out). White Knight nurse jumps in on behalf of her honor, assaults and batters the same officer and then during the monkey pile of officers decides to resist and gets a lethal dose of leadacilllin. She will have to live with that herself but I may incorrectly be assuming she's got at least a bit of self-awareness to realize it. My guess is, she'll be sad until the next flavor of protest comes along and she trades her NO ICE sign in for God know what and takes to the streets.
From the NYT video analysis article . . .
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Federal agents shot and killed a 37-year-old Minneapolis resident, Alex Jeffrey Pretti, at about 9 a.m. Central time on Saturday morning. A video shared with The New York Times by an eyewitness and her lawyer, as well as other video footage posted on social media, documents the violent scene, where agents appear to fire at least 10 shots in a span of only five seconds.
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The footage seems to contradict the Department of Homeland Security’s account of the event, which the agency said began after the victim approached the federal agents with a handgun and the intent to “massacre” them.
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http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2026/01/24/us/minneapolis-shooting-alex-pretti-timeline.html
...and have helped others in training to get theirs. There are a few things that are POUNDED INTO THE HEADS OF ALL STUDENTS that was ignored by this guy:
1. Upon meeting ANY law enforcement, immediately alert them that you are permitted AND armed and allow them access to your firearm if they feel they need to do so.
2. You must carry identification if you are carrying.
3. Don't intentionally put yourself in a physical altercation while carrying a firearm.
4. Don't carry while under the influence.
This looks like a bad shooting, IMO but here's another example of someone that went out of their way to insert themselves into an ongoing legal operation.
Let's back up the timeline that led to these actions a bit. Our governor has called for people to be disruptive to the nazis on the streets. He has implored them to put their bodies between ICE and the illegals. Outside interests have flocked to Minnesota to blow this thing up in every manner possible. A lot of sympathetic and foolish Minnesotans have also taken to the streets and are fulfilling the agitators wishes by throwing themselves in front of the bus.
In this event, one of these idiots chose to get in the face of an ICE agent screaming in his face and blowing on her fucking whistle like a lunatic. This itself, is assault in any normal situation. She got shoved out of the way and the "nurse" put himself in the situation by then grabbing the officer. It was this moment where he chose to cross the barrier and it would end up costing him his life. Same fucking thing with the woman shot while driving into an officer. Maybe this was a bad shooting as well but she was there with 100% intention of interfering with the operations of legal officers engaged in legal activities.
Minnesota leadership has told local law enforcement to stand down and not get involved in any parts of these operations and that includes crowd control. Make no mistake about it, Walz and the DNC want this to blow up and see mass chaos. It pisses me off that the feds are playing right into their hands and it will likely allow the dems to shape the narrative moving forward.
If this fails in Minnesota, the marxist dems will gain control of the federal government again and this time, they won't fuck around and pull this country hard and irreversibly left.
And everyone thinks this is a shitshow....just wait
Well, snafool got ONE thing right here (though not grammatically. But he's got it ass-backwards. This is part of a campaign of provocation to drive protesters into the streets in order to justify Trump invoking the Insurrection Act, Then he'll try to deploy the Army and Marines again and also suspend the elections of 2026.
I would LOVE to be wrong about this but am afraid I'm right.
Let's see.
And then let's see what the righties here say when their god installs himself as President For Life.
...there will be no suspension of elections. We won't stand for that either, sorry to disappoint.
He thinks he's in charge. Earth to snafool: what you will or won't stand for is irrelevant.
I believe the way it was written is correct but as long as we're busy little bees correcting things that don't really matter...way to step on yet another rake dipshit, lol. When you use one of these "(" your supposed to finish the effort with one of these ")".
As in; "I was so focused on trying to make someone look stupid, I went out of my way and in the process, embarrassed myself again (Fuck I'm dumb)" That's how you use those ickydik!
Well, snafool got ONE thing right here (though not grammatically. But he's got it ass-backwards. This is part of a campaign of provocation to drive protesters into the streets in order to justify Trump invoking the Insurrection Act, Then he'll try to deploy the Army and Marines again and also suspend the elections of 2026.
I would LOVE to be wrong about this but am afraid I'm right.
Let's see.
And then let's see what the righties here say when their god installs himself as President For Life.
Did you jizz even just a little icky when you typed that out?
And you're still obsessed with jizz, just like your pal Felch Queen.
hey pus
I liked the post
She also "likes" to swill jizz from other mens' orifices.
What is so off the wall about this continual claim is Trump is pretty old. I don't think he's got 4 more years in him after this term and if he did the clock says it's downhill.
Personally I think he knows when it's time to call it.... that's more than many members of congress have. They hang around while their corpse rot just so they can have the power. That should make everyone in America sick.
Term limits are term limits, unfortunately the presidency is the only federal office that has them.
I’m a U.S. citizen, a Minnesotan, a former member of the U.S. military, and a legal firearm owner with a valid permit to conceal and carry. “You lose your rights when you protest” is not how constitutional rights work. Carrying legally does not retroactively justify being shot ten times in a matter of seconds. Especially not in a country that bent itself into moral pretzels to justify men like Kyle Rittenhouse openly carrying weapons into protests and walking away alive. And especially not when even the NRA has publicly pushed back on the initial narrative after reviewing bystander video. When that happens, it’s worth paying attention.
If the government’s account is accurate, it should be easy to demonstrate using the substantial video evidence now available from multiple angles. Instead, multiple verified videos show him holding only a phone before being pepper-sprayed, pinned to the ground, and then shot, which raises serious questions about parts of the initial narrative. Personal dislike of protesters, politics, or tactics does not convert into justification for shooting a man in the back and then unloading additional rounds into his body under a “fuck around and find out” framing. And without full audio, claims that he “failed” to declare a firearm rest on assumptions. In a fast-moving takedown involving multiple agents, pepper spray, and physical restraint, verbal communication may not have been possible, heard, or recognized.
One factual clarification, since it's been misstated: Governor Tim Walz did not tell people to physically put their bodies between ICE agents and anyone else. What state leaders have emphasized is the legal right to document and preserve evidence, including video, of federal operations. Walz has explicitly said that the footage should speak for itself and that official accounts should align with what is plainly visible. That’s about transparency and accountability, not escalation. Recording LE activity, including the feds, in public spaces is legal.
And let’s be honest that all of this isn't happening in a vacuum. This incident sits inside a bigger political context, including federal pressure around voter rolls and protest suppression. Pretending otherwise doesn't make this cleaner or simpler.
We can debate best practices for permit holders all day. None of that changes the core issue: being legally armed, legally present, and holding a phone does not justify lethal force against someone already restrained.
Thank you Paige. And thank you for your service. But because of your post, I don't have to say anything....
Paige, I could not have said it better. Certain righties here need to get their heads out of their asses. Don't hold your breath.
....it started with a woman assaulting an ICE officer. Assault does not require physical contact. Screaming in someone's face is assault. She did and got her ass shoved down onto the ground. That's when he stepped in and made contact with the ICE officer. Shit went straight down hill after that. If you put any LE officer or Military personnel in that same situation, their actions to that point would likely be the same.
My first post on this acknowledged this is probably a bad shooting.
If we could back up and those 3 things don't happen, Mr. Nurse might be making his rounds tonight.
Now, to the question of why he decided to strap up and attend a protest with a very high chance of being violent. We will probably never know but given the obvious fact that nearly 100% of non law enforcement attendees were all on the same side, who was he prepared to get into a gun fight with?
http://people.com/alex-pretti-patient-recalls-being-comforted-and-helped-by-late-nurse-exclusive-11892119
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PEOPLE also spoke with Dr. Shaukat, who hired Pretti as a research assistant in 2014 and worked with him until 2020, as well as wrote his recommendation for nursing school. She says she was "absolutely shocked" by the news of his death.
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"I'm just so aghast that he got caught up in all of this," she says. "He was not a troublemaker. He did not have crazy extreme views, at least that he expressed to us. He just was a good citizen and he cared for his fellow citizens. The fact that got him beaten and killed is just devastating."
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Dr. Shaukat remembers Pretti as being "just a joy" to work with. "He was just a really sweet person that you could just talk to. No pretense. No complicated factors. Just who he was is how he came across," she tells PEOPLE. "He was very supportive if you ever needed him to do something — you never had to think twice.":max_bytes(150000):strip_icc():focal(665x0:667x2)/Alex-Pretti-012526-1-1636fb7ddfd34dd8b0ce357a2d2ed8fe.jpg)
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Recalling what Pretti was like as a teen, Shefchek tells PEOPLE, "He was involved in a lot of extracurriculars and stuff, and I just always thought he was a great dude. ... He was funny. He was very talented."
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"We did choir and solo ensemble together," he continues. "He played football too. I mean, he was just your average all-American guy. He got along with everybody."
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"I met him, and I immediately thought he was just somebody you could just talk to right away, like, 'Oh, this guy's really a warm and welcoming kind of person,' " adds Shefchek.
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At a press conference after the shooting, Minneapolis Police Chief Brian O’Hara said that, to his knowledge, Pretti's only previous interaction with law enforcement was for parking tickets.
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He added that Pretti was a “lawful gun owner” with a permit.
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"This seems really odd. It's not like [Pretti was] somebody who was an agitator ... or somebody who was controversial," continues Shefchek, adding: "I hope people don't think this is a guy that was out there trying to pick a fight with law enforcement. I really don't think that's the case. That'd be so out of character. This is a guy that should be remembered as a happy-go-lucky, nice guy."
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http://people.com/man-killed-by-officers-in-minneapolis-remembered-by-high-school-friend-exclusive-11892055
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So ICE shot him up as if he were Kristi Noem's dog, and she provided covered for them. I noticed during her public statement she wasn't wearing one of her kick-ass hats but let her hair flow in order to tone down her aggressive image.
Note: This Atlantic article is partially blocked by a paywall. Here is the lead-in . . .
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Gregory Bovino has been removed from his role as Border Patrol “commander at large” and will return to his former job in El Centro, California, where he is expected to retire soon, according to a DHS official and two people with knowledge of the change.
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Bovino’s sudden demotion is the clearest sign yet that the Trump administration is reconsidering its most aggressive tactics after the killing Saturday of 37-year-old Alex Pretti by Border Patrol agents under Bovino’s command.
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Earlier today, President Trump appeared to signal in a series of social-media posts a tactical shift in the administration’s mass-deportation campaign. Trump wrote that he spoke with Minnesota Governor Tim Walz—whom the White House has blamed for inciting violence—and the two men are now on “a similar wavelength.” Tom Homan, the former ICE chief whom Trump has designated “border czar,” will head to Minnesota to assume command of the federal mobilization there, Trump said.
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Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem and her close adviser Corey Lewandowski, who were Bovino’s biggest backers at DHS, are also at risk of losing their jobs, two of the people told me.
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http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/2026/01/greg-bovino-demoted-minneapolis-border-patrol/685770/
He saw the video. He saw the reaction. He's actually smart enough to know a loser when he sees it.
Unlike snafool, crsm and our other toxic righties
This shows you are fucking missing the whole point. Trump reassignment of him is not the "owning" you think it is.
I keep talking about political left demonizing ICE. You ignore this. I talk about how actions have consequences by all parties. I talk about how the political left can "rile up" their bass and it they do illegal things....it is fine. You know obstructing, blocking streets, blocking vehicles, assaulting ICE agents, burning down Tesla dealers, vandalism, etc.....is just protests.....yet all those are breaking laws. But if a Republican gives a speech and the follower do illegal things it is that Republicans fault....not the individual. But yeah keep thinking a guy getting reassigned is a "win". It isn't.
This just shows you how you fucking ignore the substance of my posts. Liberal being a liberal.
You continue to blame the protesters when what we have in fact is a slow-motion police riot. ICE has clearly shown that its agents are -- according to real cops -- poorly trained and not conducting themselves with the appropriate procedures to legitimately do their job. The Pretti murder, for example showed a crowd of at least 5 ICE officers surrounding the victim while he was on the ground while grabbing at different limbs. This is NOT the way it's supposed to be done, according to a veteran officer who watched the tape. In addition, their poor communication also led to the shooting. One of them can be heard referring to a gun. But the context wasn't clear and the next reference you hear is simply "Gun! Gun!" followed by gunshots. This is Keystone Kops level performance. Not professional LE work.
And yet you continue to blame a legal gun owner who never drew his weapon.
You are a toxic apologist for violent thugs.
That's exactly correct. One half of the Minnesota MAGA twins thinks that if he posts that both sides share blame that makes him fair and balanced. He's wrong. It's a false equivalence. An innocent man is dead and this city, full of really nice people, is angry and terrified. The reason this good Samaritan ICU nurse is dead is entirely the fault of the trigger-happy, incompetent federal goon squad.
You’re not being reasonable here. There were mistakes made on both sides.
You are totally missing the point. But keep doing it.
There is LEGAL PROTEST and ILLEGAL PROTESTS. Obstructing is illegal, blocking streets is illegal, taking others freedom of movement is illegal.
I guess if you think what some are doing is ok with illegal protest....J6 was just a legal protest.....right???
Guess what .....it wasn't when the trespassed, threatened, etc. J6 went from protest to riot and breaking the law.
Goes along with how these protests are being conducted....which are illegal in some cases.....ie blocking roads, blocking ICE vehicles, etc.
Peaceful protest and observing is fine and I encourage it. But that doesn't mean block roads, blocking agents, getting in the face of them while they are conducting business, interfering while they are arresting, detaining, or moving people out of the way. But yeah....again you ignore the illegal activity being done by individuals.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2rlbQNV2GcI
And in the end Trump gave them all a free "get out of jail" card.
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You are also ignoring the major factors with J6th pardons...... People were held days without speaking to lawyers when they requested, conditions of holding cells, etc.
Civil rights were violated. But keep your head in the sand on that one .
Also many people did time and the only thing they could actually charge was minor charges. So punishment didn't fit the crime.
Again things your ignoring.
We just ignore you because you post total bullshit.
Take a few minutes & give it a listen
They'll just ignore this or come back because he's on Fox new and therefor a fascist etc. Check out the 1:50 mark, you can see he's also an amputee. Military??
Yes, he’s a veteran.
And now we are learning that the “innocent” ICU nurse was fighting with ICE just the week before, per CNN.
The dude was a full on MILITANT impeding ICE operations — not a “protestor”
First, he has the gall to defend them shooting Pretti ten times because if a cop shoots at someone they must believe he's about to shoot you. Bullshit! A guy who's subdued on the ground on his face with no gun in his hand isn't about to shoot anyone. And anyone who thinks that has no business doing that job. Pretti had certainly NOT "shown the means to harm" anyone, as this biased commentator said
Additionally, this guy says he's "heard" Pretti was not carrying his pistol permit with him. I'd like to know if that's actually true. Because then, without knowing the answer, he claims Pretti was not lawfully carrying. Speculating based on hearsay isn't "Reasonable."
I always carry my permit even when I'm not carrying my pistol.
He's talking about how cops are trained. The very reason they are not taught to just shoot them in the legs or some other stupid shit idea you might come up with. Personally, I'd rather they had hit him with a taser. I enjoy watching a dumbass going stiff and face planting when the probes bite. Too much clothing though.
I'm not going to watch it again but maybe you should. I believe he said as soon as he started to engage in illegal actions...such as interfering with a legal law enforcement action, his permit became null and void in that very moment. He had good advice for you, if you don't like the rules, write your Senator.
Who the hell (besides you) was talking about shooting Pretti in the legs or tasing him? No one. He was being held down by 5 thugs when they shot him in the back. If you think that's fine you're a douchenozzle.
But you are very believable in that role.
zero reads, one like. Nice job, ickydik.
Nobody that I've seen has questioned this that I've heard regarding pretti's death however people will often question why can't cops just "shoot them in the leg or something". This was stated to reinforce a previous poster that correctly stated law enforcement are trained to shoot until there is no longer a threat and that occurs time and time again by shooting until cops are certain the perp no longer has a heart beat. If you're going to continue with the conversation, try to follow along with what is being said.
I stated I had wished he had been tazed rather than shot. I'll admit, my heart does not break for the woman who got shoved on her ass, the dead lesbian or for pretti, they all put themselves in the situation. I have some empathy for their friends and family as it was completely avoidable.
I also have empathy for the families of the shooters as their lives are forever changed.
Yeah that was trump who questioned why peaceful protesters can't just be shot in the leg. What a leader! That'll get you a Nobel Peace Prize. The innocent observers who were shot dead by trump's goons were not a "perp" they were U.S. citizens exercising their constitutional right to peacefully assemble and protest. You have empathy for the families of the murderous thugs but not for the victims. That's fucked up.
snafool once again steps on his own rake. What a dummy.
It's been said by many people for many years. If you don't like the "fire until you eliminate the threat (kill) once the trigger has been pulled" training used in all law enforcement agency training, run for office and change it.
Except there was no threat from the protesters, yet trump just wanted the National Guard to fire on them anyway to disburse the crowd. Fortunately, General Milley did not do that.
(1) Much has been made about Pretti having a firearm but not having the carry permit on him. I didn't see in any of the videos where a BP agent is asking to see his permit, so I assume Pretti's gun was in its holster under his coat and not visible.
(2) In the state of Minnesota not having your carry permit on your person, when asked to produce it by a police officer, is considered a petty misdemeanor, resulting in a citation [fine].
(3) When Pretti was on the ground being subdued by BP agents, an agent is seen with Pretti's gun in his hand and moving himself away from the tussle.
(4) During the tussle, an agent yells out several times, "He's got a gun. He's got a gun". I suspect this agent only saw Pretti's holster or his black cellphone, because the gun already been removed by the other agent.
(6) After Pretti has been shot ten times and lay dying, an agent is seen looking over him and asking out loud "Where's the gun? Where's the gun?". Off to the side, the other agent says, "I have the gun".
(6) Pretti never touched his gun. Two agents shot an unarmed man ten times, three of which were in his back.
(7) Miller, Noem, Kash, Bovino, Vance, etc. intentionally lied about Pretti being a domestic terrorist hell bent on causing mass casualties. The proper response would have been that the investigation is continuing. I'm sure that's what Susie Wilds would have recommended.
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8.) When a licensed physician came to render aid to Pretti, ICE agents intervened. They did not immediately begin first aid; they were counting bullet wounds. They didn't even give the man CPR, and it's all on video.
Trained Soldiers have treated insurgents better than that, post-IED attacks. Once you shoot someone, they become your prisoner and/or responsibility, per the Geneva Conventions. You are responsible for their medical care. If this truly is the beginning of an American Civil War, then Pretti's murder will be recounted as a war crime.
Official Kapo, Stephen Miller, as told the Times the following:
"Stephen Miller, a top aide to President Trump, has suggested that federal agents “may not have been following” protocol before the fatal shooting of Alex Pretti, after days in which he and other Trump administration officials portrayed the shooting as justified.
Mr. Miller said in a statement that the White House had provided “clear guidance” to the Department of Homeland Security that federal agents deployed to Minnesota as part of the administration’s immigration crackdown be used to protect “arrest teams” from people he described as “disruptors.”
“We are evaluating why the CBP team may not have been following that protocol,” Mr. Miller said in the statement, referring to agents from U.S. Customs and Border Protection, a law enforcement agency under the department. The statement was provided to The New York Times on Wednesday by a White House spokesperson and was reported earlier by CNN."
This is what you do when you know you are losing the battle of public perception.