The righties who want to cloak every reasonable gun control measure in the skirts of the 2nd Amendment because constitutional law and reading it aren't something they excel in doing, have been leaning on mental health.

A couple facts:

Mental Health exams wouldn't have kept the Sandy Hook shooter from getting access to any guns under current law.  They would not have elicited anything significant to take him off the streets or to keep him from getting his own guns, although he chose to shoot mommy Lanz with her guns before pumping up to eleven rounds into the right wing's massacre foes--6 year olds.

There are over 30,000 homicides by gun in the good  ole Bannana Republic of USA, and of those 4% are done by people Dx'd with "mental illness."  People with mental illness are much more likely to be victims than they are to inflict physical harm on others.

The righties like to head fake behind the mental illness argument knowing there is little to be done to stop the 30,000 homicides and the multiple exponentially increasing massacres or mass shootings like the one today in Phoenix by doing anything that impacts mental illness.

Mental illness is vastly underbudgeted and routinely  cut in every state and if you've ever moonlit in a psych ER like I did for 2 years you'll realize what a revolving door the state mental health facilities are, stocked uniformly with psychiatrists who have very little command of the English language that their patients normally speak.

Pierre also made an imbecile of himself by directly contradicting his 1998 testimony before the same Senate Judiciary Committee verbatim advocating background checks at every gun sale wherever it took place. Today the fool said that "criminals won't consent to background checks."

That's absurd, because people who buy guns with the intent of killing somoene would be background checked, and not every buy is a straw buy or a clandestine buy.  Pierre now even opposes background checks which will probably be the only meaningful legislation that has the chance of an icecube in hell of passing.

Mental Health and Gun Control Articles including the situation in Newtown Ct. in January 31 NEJM (Free Online):

http://www.nejm.org/

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I think you ment to say a syke emergency room, because yoyu are a syke doctor.

Have very few actual solutions. From reading your posts I would say you are in favor of an all out gun ban but how would you begin to accomplish that?
   Once we start taking ammendments out when do you stop? How many freedoms should we loose for the protection of a small protion of the population? You state all these gun homocide facts but I believe you neglect the fact many of those are suicides.
    Finland has 45 guns to every 100 residents and has a .45 homocide rate for every 100,000 people. Explain why if guns are the problem and not just the scape goat why they don't have a higher homocide rate? In fact they have on of the lowest rates of all the industrialized nations. Including lower rates then some countries with complete gun bans.
     Adam Lanza s parents should bear some responsibility for the massacre, they had to have seen some red flags and should have done something. They were wealthy enough to pay for medical treatment and government funding should not have been an issue. His father hadnt seen him in almost 2 years if what I heard was correct, it's pretty hard to believe that a father who loved and raised his children in a good home could do that. So what was wrong in the home we haven't heard about?
     I truly believe blaming the gun is just an excuse and a motivated individual would do it without a gun. There are so many situations I could list it would be useless in which we are very vunerable to anyone with bad intentions. I really have a feeling that there are individuals out there trying to come up with a mass killing not involving a firearm because thats the next big challenge. How do you stop it? If they are doing it for the sole purpose of setting a new high score on the body count chart what can you do?

1) No one is encroaching on the 2nd Amendment with gun reform but a lot of delusional nitwits invoke it.  The 2nd Amendment and Heller permit gun regulations.
2) My effective solution is to do exactly fucking what they did in Australia to reduce violence and to take back as many multiround magazines as possible--if cold hands get in the way let's make them cold dead hands like Heston wanted.  You didn't mention Australia and obviously aren't aware of the stats after they enacted effective gun reform.
3) It's presumptive of you to say what Lanza's parents should have recognized.  You can't detail what they saw and they weren't wealthy as you imply.  Dad was long gone; and mom didn't protect her guns which should be Gun Enthusias 101 material. How did Adam get to them?
4) What the fuck was mommy Lanza doing with wartime firearms anyway? Did it help her grow a penis?
5) There are a lot of so called "good homes" that are in reality shit environments for raising kids.  Probley a pandemic amount.  A pandemic of homes don't even have any parents biological or otherwise raising kids.
6) There is no "coming up with mass killings." They are happening at exponentially increasing rates. Where have you been the last few years?
7) Precisely what "red flags" did Lanza's mom have and I suppose those red flags were present in all the other massacre situations that come up about once every two months in the US?
8) How do you explain the US far outnumbers any other country including Mexico in the volume of 30,000 plus gun deaths?  You going to use population?




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Wouldn't you like to have an AR-15 when the Islamists' knock on your door.

http://www.haaretz.com/news/world/violent-protests-spread-to-australia-on-fifth-day-of-upheaval-over-anti-islam-film-1.465167

How long have you been Islamophobic?  All your life or just since 911 when the stilted word "homeland" got birth. You never thought, heard or used that word before then and you aren't the Ibsen play type.  It's a religion, not a doctrine of terrorism. A lot of Islamic Americans defend your sorry ass right now.  Keith Ellison is one of the most productive guys in the House--he's Islamic.



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I don't know why you think these assault weapons are such a threat?

1) second ammendment arguement will be covered and has been buy the US supreme court a number of times. And I don't think they are going to strip it from the constitution.
  2) I have seen some statistics that violent crime is up since the gun ban also its an apples to oranges comparison because Australia had a 7% gun ownership compaired to a 34% rate for the US.
  3) They werent wealthy? She had enough money to not have to worry about working again. Thats enough money to seek treatment for her son. People who knew him said he was sullen, withdrawn, antisocial ect. Are you claiming there was nothing wrong with him? That sociopathic tendancies don't show up in children before they ever commit a crime like this?
  She didn't keep her firearms secure or maybe he tortured her to get her to open the gun safe, I'll use the same statement you use repeatedly it presumptive to assume they werent.
  4) do you own or have you shot a firearm in your lifetime? I'd say no but I wouldn't classify anything she had as a wartime firearm. Maybe her ex was abusive and she felt she needed them for protection, it's not my place to guess nor yours to condem her for having them. The penis comment I'll not comment on. It's just immature.
  5)Again is it the fault of guns that children have shitty upbringings? America has become a place where NO ONE is responsible for their actions anymore. There is an excuse for every single thing. dren are coddled and taught from an early age that they don't have to take responsibliity for their actions. They cry and get the toy they want, don't have to do anything around the home they dont want to and parents think it's just easier then to force them to do things they dont want to do. They don't give real grades in school anymore, dont keep score at games and spanking creates serial killer if you talk to a guidence counsler. Very few have to deal with anything hard and when they do they cant handle it. It seems you like it that way though.
    6) I wasnt refering to the occurance of mass killings. I was refering to the fact that if you took guns out of the equation there is no other way a man willing to die to simply kill will never happen again?
      OCK, 9/11 come to mind off the top of my head that didn't involve a firearm. OKC could happen again, molotov cocktails tossed into classrooms could kill more, drive a truck into a school, daycare or church at speed and you'll have a similar body count. That what I meant its a game to these kids, to set a new high score. The media should never announce body counts, never announce the killer name. Crap, stepping on the 1st ammendment there and you probably will take offense to that.
    7) Covered above, I cant say what they were but I'd bet they were there.
    8) Any other developed country of any other country? The US trails El salvador 50 per 100k, Jamaica 47 per 100k, Honduras 46 per 100k, Guatemala 38 per, Swaziland 37 per, Mexico 25 per,
 Colombia, Brazil and Panama 11 per 100K each, the USA last year was at 7.2 per 100K.
      Mexico in 2010 gun homocides were 11,309, total homocides 24,000 the same year in the US gun homocides were 8435, total homocides were 12,358. So how come if mexico has few the numbers I came up with don't bear that out?
    I dont know that gun suicides should be included in any gun death figures. If someone is willing to kill themselves, and didn't have a gun they could drive into oncoming traffic, OD, hang themselves... its not a true stastic to be used, it just happens to be easier.

2 yrs mandatory military service from each and every citizen like many other countreis to instill some values in our children. More then a few other countries require that or 2 yrs of civil service.  
   I served in Iraq for several years and believe I've earned the right to keep my firearms and I think you'd find most veterans would say the same thing. The about pulling them out of my cold dead hand s might just hit more americans then you realize. When you are sworn into the armed service you swear to protect all of the provisions in the constitution, do you think that easily forgetten? Have you done any military service or civil service to your country?
    Who do you believe will round up these guns? The Military and LE officials consider this a nightmare scenario- talk to a few of tem before you volunteer them into service trying to doing it.

You didn't shoot many people in Iraq did you?

Military service does not instill values. It trains you to act according to orders.

I've had quite a few combat vets, that worked for me, tell me, "You don't want me having a gun in my hands..."

No I was there as an engineer, helping with the reconstruction.
     I am not sure about working with the younger veterans stateside. Many were put through the ringer with extended deployments, manditory re enlistments and a horrible situation. I was there for more than 5 years shortly after college and would trust the guys I sevred directly with. I dont think you ll see a combat vet shoot up a school. Putting a gun in their mouth is entirely to regular though. Saying something is one thing, if they didnt directly say they d kill you I would take it more as just a comment, but each case is different. I am sure you ve said some thing that could be taken litterly that you didnt mean litterly.
     

BULLSHIT on your "facts". They are nothing but liberal BS talking points that are full of shit. You fucking whining ass liberal don't give a shit about America. You just want the US to be like every liberal socialist european country. Take your fucking bleeding liberal ass to Iran they need a pussy like you for target practice! No gun control can stop a mentally crazed idiot from killing. You are a Fucking idiot!!!

A bigger threat to my family's safety is some right wing cracker with an AR-15!

Our brains function via a vast network of neurons. One can think of it as a patchwork of wires. To connect those wires we have different plugs, we call neurotransmitters.

One of those transmitters are serotonin. A selective serotonin reuptake inhibitor allows more serotonin to present in the brain than would normally be there, and in theory, improves one mood.

However it has been found that, particulary in teens and young people, SSRI's have a dissociative effect. Meaning that it becomes difficult to feel any emotions at all.

The idea here is when someone is depressed, it will prevent them from being depressed.

However, there is a problem with that logic. Not being able to feel any emotions means that you also have no ability to have a conscious, particularly a guilty conscious.

You know what you call someone who is incapable of feeling a guilty conscious? A psychopath.

Psychopaths don't have the ability to feel guilt. And neither do some people who are on SSRI's. Serial killers are psychopaths. All these recent mass shootings have been people who were being treated for mental illness. SSRI's are one of the most widely prescribed anti-depressants. Almost all teens and young people seeking mental health services do so for depression.

It's not hard to follow the bouncing ball here. SSRI's can trigger psychopathic type behavior. Instead of blaming the "gun industry" for "profiting off the deaths of children", maybe we should lay that blame where it belongs: On Big Pharma.

or the Dr.  ,  bought by Big pharmaceutical.

"As doctors, we swear to do no harm. But on the job we soon absorb another unspoken rule: to overlook the mistakes of our colleagues."
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10000872396390444620104578008263334441352.html

Just what is a "reasonable gun control measure" ?  The 2nd Amendment doesn't say ...the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed EXCEPT...when lefties think it should be.

First, how many democratic countries you know other than Israel have two year mandatory military service?

Two, no one is saying take all the guns away from everyone?

Three, no you don’t have the right keep an assault weapon just because you served in the military.

Four, no you don’t have a right shoot anyone you don’t like because you served in the military

Five, yes every parent, child, law enforcement officer, girl sitting on a park bench have a right not to be shot by someone because they have right to own a gun or served in the military

Six, I everyone have to have an assault weapon or a gun for that matter to protect themselves and their family, we have collapsed as a country and we have bigger problems to solve. Pakistan is good example of such a country.

The reason I own an AR 15 and magazines is because I could and still can. Change the laws and make mine illegal and we can talk about turning them in. Until said time respect my right to these weapons just as you respect peoples right to smoke, drink or enjoy risky activities that are not truly necessary. Boating resulted in 5.8 deaths per 100,000 registered boats last year if you apply the same ratio to firearms excluding suicides the numbers would be 5800 gun deaths per year. Riskier activities such as boxing, skydiving, atv's and snowmobiling have higher rates.
  Another gun stat that is missleading is out of the 10,000 or so gun deaths per year how many would have been committed if you took the gun completely out of the equation? If you believe that taking away guns would eliminate every one of these murders then maybe you can use that as a true number. Australia which many anti gun advocates use as an example had homocide rates fall from 1.9 deaths per 100k to 1.3 in the 10 years following the gun ban and have remained fairly constant since. So rates might be expected to fall by roughly 1/3 if you applied the same number to the USA. If you consider that homocides rates fell in the USA from 45 per 100k in 1993 to 26 per 100k this year rates actually fell more in the USA without a gun ban during the same time period. If you consider that the USA has a higher crime rate overall when compairing it to other developed nations our high homocide rate really should be shocking.
   Even a complete federal gun ban would take guns out of the hands of criminals. We can't go backwards and un-invent firearms any more then we can un-invent nuclear, chemical or biological weapons. The drug ban is nothing more then a monumental expense for taxpayers and our criminal justice system and I think a gun ban would be worse. Unless you are willing to execute people who violate a firearms ban.

1) I wasnt saying we needed to do it but, Countries that have some type of manditory military service include - Austria, Greece, Singapore , Brazil, Israel, South Korea, Bulgaria, Lebanon, Sweden China Malaysia Switzerland Croatia Norway Taiwan Eritrea Poland Turkey Finland Romania Venezuela Germany Russia. I am not going to do the same for counrties that require some civil service but the list is longer.
 2) If you want to take all the guns pass laws to do it.
 3) Under current law I can own an assault weapon and military service has no bearing on that never said it did. I said I believe in my rights and will protect them.
  4) I have never shot anyone, never said I did. My guns have never been used to shoot near, intimidate or assault anyone period. Because I own the evil gun I'm a murder is a pretty damn arbitrary statement and offensive to me and every other gun owner in the usa.
  5) refer to #4. If you expand your assumption that one assult or murder should result in the ban of the item used to impliment it there are very few item you would have left. In 2012 frying pans were used 3 times in the USA for murder. Ban them?
  6) refer to # 3, change the laws dont throw personal attacks at someone COMPLETELY in compliance of federal, state and local laws.  Finland has a very high gun ownership rate and an astonishingly low murder rate explain how tht can be if its all the guns fault.