McCain scores on stabilizing home values, but I can see Obama doing the same thing.
McCain's blame on Fannie and Freddie is all wet. They hardly started this crisis, nor were they the key to it.
Obama countered with de-regulation being the problem. McCain's blame on Fannie and Freddie was self-serving.
The follow-up: Obama talks of helping homeowners as well.
POINT TO OBAMA. He counters McCain's point and co-ops his solution.
Letter McCain and his buddies wrote foreseeing this problem?
Some brown-nosing for the American worker by McCain.
Obama shifts blame to George Bush when confronted with bipartisan blame. Obama promises a "net-spending cut."
[irony] Does this make Repubs happy? No! [/irony]
McCain talking about "bipartisanship." [comment]NOTE: It's different than being a maverick. McCain doesn't have the support in his own party. [/comment]
McCain says Obama votes for earmarks. I thought the sweetness of earmarks is that nobody votes for them, as opposed
to "pork-barrel."
McCain suddenly says economics is his strong point.
POINT TO OBAMA. McCain is relying on bullshit.
Healthcare, energy and entitlements:
McCain will work on all three at once. He says it can all be done at once. Again, back to his reaching across the
aisle, and again I think he's too unpopular in his own party.
Obama's order: Energy first. Gives the beneficiaries as Russia, Iran and Venezuala.
No. 2 is heathcare. No. 3 is education.
Obama wants to go through every item every agency in the federal government and cut them that way.
POINT TO OBAMA. He was specific.
McCain on sacrifice: McCain says the same thing-- will go through budget and scalpalcut, promises to cut--
defense?! Promises competition for projects. Spending freeze. [comment]Oh, that's going to go over well!
[/comment]McCain says he can do things without priorities. [comment]Prone to "mission creep." IMHO[/comment]
Obama on sacrifice: starts with 9/11. Points out Bush's "go out and shop" quote. Obama would drill and have
Americans given incentives for saving energy. Young people are interested in how they can serve, will double budget
for Peace Corp.
[comment]Where he gets the money is a mystery. Must cut another program.[/comment]
POINT TO OBAMA: He answered the question, brought Bush's failure into it.
Ob: McC has voted against alternative energy.
Garage or Manhattan Project: McC for government first. Then Garage. He diverts it on who voted on some unattributed bill. Is allowed to stand due to format. Not McC. Offshore drilling now.
[comment]oops! my mind wandered here[/comment]
NO POINT AWARDED.
Healthcare treated as a commodity to Ob: No 1 priority. Cites rise in copayments and deductibles. Must have moral and economic committment. Keep your choice of doctor. Reduce through automation. You could buy into same as Federal employees. McC, says Ob: taxing benefits.
McC: Put health records online???? Accuses Obama of Fining people for lack of benefits? [comment]That is impossible to believe. Needs clarification. [/comment] McCain's criticisms are again allowed to stand. I bed Ob regrets having agreed to this format. McC also allowed to rattle on beyond the time.
McC: says Medical responsibility. Ob: says it's a right. Keep your doctor. Give employers a tax credit. Ob says McC voted against expansion of childrens medical. Ob rattles on, points out the parallel between states competing on medical with banking.
POINT TO OBAMA.
McC: panders to military. Economy needed for Military. Knowing where to use America's military power. Ob does not understand military according to McC.
Ob: Doesn't understand why Iraq was invaded. That was McC's judgment. McC thought Iraqis would cheer for us. Praises military people. We've spend $700 billion. Spending money in Iraq while Iraq has a surplus. Strains on economy from war. Costs us influence in places like Darfur.
Obama Doctrine?? Moral issues at stake not power. Mobilize the international community and lead.*
McCain doctrine?? Boasts about support of the surge. Victory and honor. [comment]Peace with honor.[/peace with honor] Cool hand. Know our limits. McCain talks about tempering your decisions? [comment]McCain is a guy known for making snap decisions. Don't see why Ob doesn't agree 100 percent.[/comment]
NO POINT AWARDED. Neither side answered the question. Both sides made and took hits.
Pakistani sovereignty. Ob: Bad decision in Iraq. Distracted. Answer the Q-- yes finally. Afghanistan is the central front on War on Terror. Expand non-military aid to Pakistan as an incentive. But if they don't, we must act. (into Pakistan).
McC: would probably do it as well, but will talk softly about it. Talks about importance of Pakistan. Talks about getting Paki's on our side. But will talk softly and carry a blackjack?
Ob: reiterates. Green behind the ears? Gaffe. McC threats to Bomb Iran. Attack North Korea.
McC: Might attack Pakst but won't say so.
POINT TO OBAMA. Speaking softly and carry a big stick doesn't answer the question.
Acceptable dictator in Afghn. Turn things over to Afghanis after increasing presence. McC says Obama wont' admit he was wrong about the surge.
POINT TO MCCAIN: Surge is Obama's weak point.
Applying pressure to Russia on Humanitarian issues: McC Putin has surrounded himself with KGB. Ukraine is in Putin's sights. No cold war.
OB: Wants to provide neo-NATO with financial support. Ob promises to foresee problems. Boasts about strategic insight. [Comment] More money has to come from somewhere, but I think he has the insight to anticipate strategically[/comment]
Evil Empire: OB: Think that they have evil behavior. McC: still speaking softly. Both want to reduce oil imports.
POINT TO OBAMA: His answer may have been flawed, but speaking softly is no answer.
Defending Israel from Iran: How fast will you respond. McC, after congrats to the Navy veteran. Iranians-- join with allies against Iran to prevent it. Prevent Holocaust.
Obama (similar thanks): will prevent the scenario. Will work with other countries. Come up with boycott, gasoline Iran's weak point. May not work. Answer military options aren't off the table.
TIE. McCain wins on style, but both their answers were equivalent.
Last question OB answers opposite: Zenlike, what don't you know. He advanced due to the US being better than others. The dream is diminishing. Slick evasion seguing into a strong close.
McC: He doesn't know what the unexpected will be, obviously. Segues into close. McC knows what it's like to go through tough times. Believe in country, future.
Times are tough, we need a steady hand at the tiller????? McCain has never operated agricultural equipment. Not good to end debate with a gaffe.
POINT to OBAMA
FINAL SCORE: OBAMA WINS 8-1, WITH 2 TIES.
Immediate polls seem to agree in general.
-- Modified on 10/7/2008 8:23:50 PM
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