consists of BigPapaFlop and SnowKing (aka Laffy 2.0). You go ahead and thump your chest over that…
1) Not content with getting universally scorned for his looney idea to move the Gazans out of Gaza, Trump today doubled down on it. From the Times: "Mr. Trump’s proposal was not vetted by the president’s top advisers and some of Mr. Trump’s aides had sought to soften the president’s ideas on Wednesday evening. But in an early morning social media post, Mr. Trump doubled down, saying that the United States and its partners were prepared to build “one of the greatest and most spectacular developments” on the planet in Gaza once Israel ceded control there."
“The Gaza Strip would be turned over to the United States by Israel at the conclusion of fighting,” Mr. Trump wrote on Truth Social, adding that Palestinians “would have already been resettled in far safer and more beautiful communities, with new and modern homes, in the region.”
2) Another judge blocked Trump from getting Federal employees to resign. Also from The Times:
"A federal judge in Massachusetts barred the Trump administration on Thursday from imposing a midnight deadline on federal workers who were offered the chance to take a deferred resignation, pausing the initiative until a hearing on Monday afternoon.
The offer, which had been set to expire at 11:59 p.m. on Thursday, is part of a sweeping effort by President Trump and the billionaire Elon Musk to drastically cut the size of the federal government.
Judge George A. O’Toole Jr. stopped the Office of Personnel Management from carrying out the program, which had been detailed in an email sent to roughly two million federal workers last week, until a hearing scheduled for Monday afternoon.
The “Fork in the Road” plan offered federal workers the chance to resign and be paid through the end of September. Labor unions had challenged the legality of the program and urged employees not to accept the offer.
“I enjoin the defendants from taking action to implement the so-called Fork directive, pending the completion of briefing and oral argument on the issues,” the judge said.
It remains unclear how the pause will affect tens of thousands of federal employees who had already signed up to resign through the program.
But Judge O’Toole instructed lawyers representing the government to rapidly contact all employees who had received the offer updating them about the pause.
Terms of the buyout plan, including draft contracts, have been distributed to employees throughout an array of agencies this week. Staff across the Departments of Education and Labor were briefed earlier in the week about the buyout. And employees in the C.I.A. who were previously exempted along with other national-security-related agencies, were also told on Tuesday that they had become eligible to participate.
Hundreds of employees at other agencies, including the Environmental Protection Agency, who are working on probationary status or had been put on administrative leave for helping administer diversity programs, were told they could be fired imminently, causing many to weigh whether they would be best served by accepting the buyout.
But the vague conditions and uncertain legality of the offer also led to considerable consternation as employees struggled to understand what protections it actually afforded.
Employees at the Education Department were told explicitly on Wednesday that even if they accepted the agreement they were shown, they could still be fired on Friday after having already waived any rights to sue or recover the seven months of salaries promised.
On Thursday morning, employees at the General Services Administration were still navigating conflicting information while bracing for the midnight deadline. While some G.S.A. workers got word that the deadline to confirm their resignations had been moved up to noon — according to a message seen by The New York Times — others received various emails about the impending deadline.
Early on Thursday morning, employees at various federal agencies received an email from the Office of Personnel Management reminding them about the upcoming deadline.
“There will NOT be an extension of this program,” the email read.
More than 40,000 federal workers have accepted the offer, Karoline Leavitt, the White House press secretary, told reporters on Thursday as the judge’s ruling was being issued. She said the number was expected to increase. “We encourage federal workers in this city to accept the very generous offer,” she said, adding, “We’ll find highly competent individuals who want to fill these roles.”
Three government unions — the American Federation of Government Employees; the American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees; and the National Association of Government Employees — and the liberal nonprofit group Democracy Forward had sued to block the deferred resignation plan, which they called legally unsound.
“We are pleased the court temporarily paused this deadline while arguments are heard about the legality of the deferred resignation program,” Everett Kelley, the president of the American Federation of Government Employees, the largest union of federal employees, said in a statement. “We continue to believe this program violates the law, and we will continue to aggressively defend our members’ rights.”
In recent days, federal officials have intensified pressure on civil servants to take the deal, warning about the likelihood of staff reductions in the coming months as they stressed the legitimacy of the offer. The Office of Personnel Management had also issued memos saying that concerns about the program’s legality were “misplaced” and that separation agreements would be legally binding.
“Union leaders and politicians telling federal workers to reject this offer are doing them a serious disservice,” McLaurine Pinover, a spokeswoman for the agency, said in a statement. “This is a rare, generous opportunity.”
Judge O’ Toole told lawyers for both sides to prepare to argue the case on its merits on Monday at 2 p.m., a hearing that could determine the program’s status."
The game is just getting started. You gonna have a stroke or some shit by summer.
The game is just getting started. You gonna have a stroke or some shit by summer.
You're essentially reading a modern day Pravda with an editorial staff of Vladimir Lenin disciples!!
Why are you opposed to moving the refugees out of Gaza while reconstruction takes place?
Let me Guess you think it’s a land grab?
I don’t think it would work but that’s because the Gazans are so brainwashed, that even if they did move someplace else… all they would do is try and overthrow where ever they were resettled. Granted that’s just a guess but it is based on history.
BTW the idea of turning Gaza into a resort destination was floated in 2005 by Israel to give the Palestinians a source of peaceful income way above and beyond the flower industry that was actually given to them. But hey that all got flushed down the toilet when hamas came along. 🤷🏻♂️
So here’s a question
What’s your solution?
Stand by while I get some 🍿 this should be good!
Ok GO!
he wanted the Gazans to move out only "while reconstruction takes place." He said he wants the land to become US TERRITORY.
he wanted the Gazans to move out only "while reconstruction takes place." He said he wants the land to become US TERRITORY.
"Create an economic development that will supply unlimited numbers of jobs and housing for the people of the area," he added. "Do a real job. Do something different."
So does "people of the area" mean US personnel? Doesn't sound like it to me. Hey I know where they can get 11 Billion dollars...
So what's your grand plan Ickus?
He said Gaza's entire population would relocate to other countries. " We should go to other countries of interest with humanitarian hearts, and there are many of them that want to do this, and build various domains that will ultimately be occupied by the 1.8 million Palestinians living in Gaza, ending the death and destruction and, frankly, bad luck," he said.
How does that not mean the depopulation of Gaza by the Palestinians?
Keep bobbing and weaving, clown.
He said Gaza's entire population would relocate to other countries. " We should go to other countries of interest with humanitarian hearts, and there are many of them that want to do this, and build various domains that will ultimately be occupied by the 1.8 million Palestinians living in Gaza, ending the death and destruction and, frankly, bad luck," he said.
How does that not mean the depopulation of Gaza by the Palestinians?
Keep bobbing and weaving, clown.
Hummmmmm 🤔
First off, your contention that Pals won’t live there, is incorrect. As reported by the Associated Press:
The AP article notes that there is widespread opposition to the proposal in the Middle East, the Israelis are taking Trump seriously:
There were no immediate signs of such preparations on the ground.
It says they would be "resettled." What do you think THAT means? It does NOT say these "far safer and more beautiful communities" will be in Gaza.
The last sentence in the quote:
The NY Times reported it this way: "President Trump said the nearly two million Palestinians that he wants to displace from the Gaza Strip would not be allowed to return to the territory under his hypothetical plan to rebuild it.
In a clip from a Fox News interview scheduled to air on Monday, Mr. Trump elaborated on his recent proposal for an American-led takeover of Gaza. Asked if Palestinians who would be removed from the territory while it is cleared would have the right to eventually return to their homeland, he said: “No, they wouldn’t. Because they’re going to have much better housing — in other words, I’m talking about building a permanent place for them.”
This is what happens, ChicKie, when you don't listen to me.
You misread the AP quote. Referencing a NY Times quote doesn’t change that.
That said, I think Trump’s “permanent resettlement” stance is a negotiating position. It’s going to be interesting to see how our Middle East policy plays out the next four years.
Sorry, but the new Trump quote changes EVERYTHING.
This is clearly what Trump meant all along and now he's making sure everyone knows it.
Rubio was wrong and so is ChicKie.
We were discussing an AP quote. Not follow up information. But Nicky digs in, which only draws more attention to his erroneous take.
Now as far as the follow up information goes, Nicky is right that Trump is calling for permanent resettlement of the Gazans. I think it’s an extreme position that serves to shift the Overton window, and will eventually soften during the course of negotiations on a new status for Gaza.
…Not follow up information.” IOW, chiCKenShit175 doesn’t care that the “follow up information” is informative information that CLARIFIES the AP quote.
And coCKSucker175 doesn’t care that Trump has REPEATEDLY said the Palestinians will NOT return to Gaza. He’s stubbornly clinging to the AP quote because he’s a fucking moron.
…he said Palestinians would be living “someplace else in the interim.” Those were Rubio’s words, NOT Trump’s. Rubio was trying to spin Trump’s words to make them seem something they were not.
coCKSucker175 couldn’t defend Trump’s words so he defended Rubio’s interpretation of what Trump did NOT say. That’s how desperate righties are to cover up the fact that Trump is an IDIOT.
in an effort to cover up what was the ACTUAL issue of debate: did Trump call for the permanent eviction of Gazans from the stip.
ChicKie looks more and more like CDL in his frantic writhing to escape taking his well-deserved L. ChicKie insists he changed the terms of the debate. Problem is, I never DID.
…he said Palestinians would be living “someplace else in the interim.” Those were Rubio’s words, NOT Trump’s. Rubio was trying to spin Trump’s words to make them seem something they were not.
coCKSucker175 couldn’t defend Trump’s words so he defended Rubio’s interpretation of what Trump did NOT say. That’s how desperate righties are to cover up the fact that Trump is an IDIOT.
Sooooo FMS what's your plan to fix the Palestinian Prob?
this oughta be good.
P.S. what do you and Claudine Gay have in Common? Don't be shy now.
Trump wants to send Gazans to Jordan. But the king said "Nope."
Now what, Donnie?
Loooooser should have boned up on this before he ran his stupid mouth.
What a dope.
Trump wants to send Gazans to Jordan. But the king said "Nope."
Now what, Donnie?
Loooooser should have boned up on this before he ran his stupid mouth.
What a dope.
It just means negotiations haven't gone on yet.
Soooo icky Ole Dirty Bastard that you are... What's your solution?
Also, stop demanding I answer your lame-assed questions.
Ain't gonna happen.
PS: It ain't just the Jordanians. The Egyptians have postponed even meeting with Trump. Egypt and Jordan are the two countries where Trump wants to dump the Gazans.
Epic FAIL.
Just like all your posts.
Also, stop demanding I answer your lame-assed questions.
Ain't gonna happen.
PS: It ain't just the Jordanians. The Egyptians have postponed even meeting with Trump. Egypt and Jordan are the two countries where Trump wants to dump the Gazans.
Epic FAIL.
Just like all your posts.
It's a great link, germane to the conversation even.
Asking what your solution is (as you Whine about Trump's ideas, which BTW are the best in a generation) isn't demanding its just exposing the fact you like most people don't have the foggiest idea on how to settle this.
I guess this proves just how much you absolutely Hate me. Hey, I get it, I beat "your" ass like a drum just about every day on this board and despite your assertions, anyone with eyes sees you for what you are, Icky the Ole Dirty Bastard.
First of all, I actually HAVE stated here many times how I believe the Mid East situation should be solved. You are just too dim-witted to recall and I refuse to repeat myself.
As for hating you, get over yourself. You are not worth the energy. Same goes for you beating anyone's ass. You're nothing more than a feeble, angry Looooooooooser.
And a fake.
Semper Lie.
Loooooser on maneuvers....
READ THE ENTIRE STATEMENT. Trump's meaning should be clear to anyone who looked beyond the misleading headlines.
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But first, some background: Gaza (Gaza City) is a population center with a history going back 5000 years. Over the millennia, it was home to Arabs and Jews. It was subject to rule by various entities, including Egypt from the early 1800s until taken by the Allies at the Battle of Gaza in 1917 (WWI). I can't find a timeline of population demographics (because good statistics don't seem to exist).
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The Sinai Peninsula (and more) was part of the Ottoman Empire. In the 1910s, the OE was already starting to lose territory and contract. See pre-WWI 1914 map here: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/12/OttomanEmpire1914.png
There is NO Gaza carveout. (2024 Gaza territory is part of the 1914 OE.)
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After WWI, the OE ended and England, France, et al. broke up the region into various mandates, including the British Mandate for Palestine. See 1920 map here: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7e/BritishMandatePalestine1920.svg/1920px-BritishMandatePalestine1920.svg.png
NO Gaza carveout. (2024 Gaza is part of the 1920 BMforP.)
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See also this composite series of maps from 1920 - 2023: http://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2F7sykskdhsktb1.png
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ONLY following the 1948 Arab-Israeli War was the Gaza Strip carved out as part of the settlement. 700,000 Palestinians living in Israel at the time (1948) relocated to the Gaza Strip. (Depending on your politics, sympathies, etc., you can state that in different ways: ... were expelled ... , ... fled ..., etc.) ONLY in post-1948 maps do you see the Gaza Strip as a separate territory:
1948 - Egyptian control (mostly)
1956 - Arab-Israeli War, Israel control
1959 - Israel returned GS to Egypt
1959-1967 - Egypt control
1967 - Six Day War - Israel took control
1968 - 20+ years: too complicated to summarize in one line
1994 - Oslo Accords - GS now controlled by Palestinian Authority but Israel military occupation.
2005 - Israel withdraws from GS
2006 - Hamas takes over GS
and so on.
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In the next post, I will quote from Trump's COMPLETE statement.
First off, your contention that Pals won’t live there, is incorrect. As reported by the Associated Press ...
READ THE ENTIRE STATEMENT. Trump's meaning should be clear to anyone who looked beyond the misleading headlines.
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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/donald-trump-gaza-statement-full-b2692486.html
What Donald Trump said on Gaza — his statement in full. [Quoted passages are about Trump's FUTURE plans for Gaza and trimmed to remove his comments on other stuff, e.g., repeated references to "the last four years". I added ***emphasis*** to "[They] Just can't go back."]
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"I also strongly believe that the Gaza Strip, which has been a symbol of death and destruction for so many decades and so bad for the people anywhere near it, and especially those who live there and frankly who’s been really very unlucky. It’s been very unlucky. It’s been an unlucky place for a long time.
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“Being in its presence just has not been good and it should not go through a process of rebuilding and occupation by the same people that have really stood there and fought for it and lived there and died there and lived a miserable existence there. Instead, we should go to other countries of interest with humanitarian hearts, and there are many of them that want to do this and build various domains that will ultimately be occupied by the 1.8 million Palestinians living in Gaza, ending the death and destruction and frankly bad luck.
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“This can be paid for by neighbouring countries of great wealth. It could be one, two, three, four, five, seven, eight, 12. It could be numerous sites, or it could be one large site. But the people will be able to live in comfort and peace and we’ll make sure something really spectacular is done.
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“They’re going to have peace. They’re not going to be shot at and killed and destroyed like this civilisation of wonderful people has had to endure. The only reason the Palestinians want to go back to Gaza is they have no alternative. It’s right now a demolition site. This is just a demolition site. Virtually every building is down.
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“They’re living under fallen concrete that’s very dangerous and very precarious. They instead can occupy all of a beautiful area with homes and safety and they can live out their lives in peace and harmony instead of having to go back and do it again.
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****“The US will take over the Gaza Strip**** and we will do a job with it too. ****We’ll own it**** and be responsible for dismantling all of the dangerous unexploded bombs and other weapons on the site, level the site and get rid of the destroyed buildings, level it out. Create an economic development that will supply unlimited numbers of jobs and housing for the people of the area … do a real job, do something different.
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*****[They] “Just can’t go back.***** If you go back, it’s going to end up the same way it has for 100 years. I’m hopeful that this ceasefire could be the beginning of a larger and more enduring peace that will end the bloodshed and killing once and for all. With the same goal in mind, my administration has been moving quickly to restore trust in the alliance and rebuild American strength throughout the region and we’ve really done that.
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Trump reiterated those plans during Q&As with the press and in other forums. Trump wants Gaza to be rebuilt for occupation by "people of the world" by which he seemed to imply RICH people of the world because Gaza will be the next Riviera.
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WHAT IS NOT CLEAR ABOUT [They] "JUST CAN'T GO BACK."??????????
First off, your contention that Pals won’t live there, is incorrect. As reported by the Associated Press ...
The map below shows what the Palestinians were given by the UN in 1947 when Israel was also created. They rejected it and, along with Egypt, Jordan, Syria and Lebanon, went to war with Israel when it declared statehood in 1948 vowing to "drive the Jews into the sea." They failed and were driven out of much of the land into the West Bank and Gaza. Then they rejected every offer of statehood made by Israel, including the Oslo Accords that Arafat walked away from. The assassination of Rabin and terrorist attacks by both sides doomed the accords.
Thus both sides are responsible for the state of things today and this includes the Palestinians. They are victims but not simply victims. They have been under the thumb of Hamas but have done virtually nothing for years to throw off that yoke.
The idea that a two-state solution is even possible any more is highly doubtful. But no one has offered a reasonable alternative. Trump's idea, simply to divest Gazans of their land, is unworkable, too. None of the surrounding countries have shown willingness to give up any of their land to Gazans displaced by Trump's idea.
"Arab State" is the area where the Arabs are not trying to wipe the Jews off the map?
So...all of it. Same as in 1948.
together in peace, it seems the Palestinians would be motivated to help Israel to destroy Hamas.
Let’s hear it? How would you solved this?
Nicky pointed out two items as fuck ups. Trump’s Mar-A-Gaza proposal and a judge shutting down the federal employee buyout program.
1) The needle is moving on the Trump proposal in the administrations direction.
UAE Ambassador to the U.S. Yousef Al Otaiba supports Trump’s plan to relocate Gaza’s population, calling it “difficult but inevitable” despite international backlash.
“I don’t see an alternative to what’s being proposed,” he stated.
This week, Democrats praised the courts for protecting the Constitution. This is precisely such an example. The court is protecting the inherent Article II powers of the President.
Apparently CKS175 has the attention span of a gnat because he clearly did NOT watch the 27 second video.
CKS175 repeated a “quote” from the text that accompanied the video. One small problem - the ambassador NEVER SAID in the video clip that Trump’s plan to relocate the Palestinian population was “difficult but inevitable.”
The ambassador did say he didn’t see an alternative but he also said if someone had an alternative, the UAE would be “happy to discuss it…happy to explore it.”
CKS175 is a fucking moron…and a chiCkenShit coCKSucker for lying his ass off. Don’t hold your breath waiting for coCKSucker to admit he’s a fucking liar. Righties are too chiCKenShit to admit they’re liars.
The quotes are accurate. BigP the idiot doesn’t realize the 27 second clip is just a short portion of a longer interview.
Calling me a liar? Another liberal not liking the message and attacking the messenger. Like it or not, the needle is moving on Gaza. We are not going back to the status quo.
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over many years as an incoherent fuckup by taking things out of context and contending they mean something else.
I’m convinced he has an obsessive compulsive personality. Right now he’s probably searching through hours worth of footage of the event trying to find something that actually refutes what I posted. He will fail.
…over many years as an incoherent fuck up by taking things out of context and contending they mean something else.
CKS175 quotes the UAE ambassador as saying: “ I don’t see an alternative to what’s being proposed.” (relocation of the Palestinians).
CKS175’s quote is OUT OF CONTEXT. CKS175 deliberately omits the rest of the quote to make it seem as if the ambassador was saying something completely different.
The ambassador’s FULL quote:
“I don’t see an alternative to what’s being proposed, I really don’t. And so, if someone has one, we’re happy to discuss one, we’re happy to explore it, but it hasn’t surfaced yet.
CKS175 tried to make it appear that the ambassador was saying there was NO alternative to relocating the Palestinians, that their relocation would inevitably be a ‘fait accompli.” But although the ambassador didn’t see an alternative, he did NOT preclude the possibility that someone else may come up with an alternative, in which case the UAE would be happy to discuss it, happy to explore it.
Thank you, CDL, for bringing up the “out of context” issue. You helped prove that CKS175 is a lying coCKSucker.
Kudos to BigPapasan for writing down the Ambassador’s remarks that I provided to the forum in video format. He’s unwittingly (in a failed attempt to prove me wrong) become my transcription bitch.
ChicKenShit constantly thumps his chest over many things. Like that he beats up BPS. Or that he's our self-proclaimed "Most reasonable and intelligent poster." (think he regrets that one?)
In reality he's a partisan hack whose only rebuttal in my case is to play the age card and recycle poor, old Arnold Palmer memes.
ChicKenShit is so very proud of himself...
Isn’t that difficult, Nicky. You’ve got to admit he’s among the least intelligent and most ineffective posters here at this forum. It takes little effort to expose the glaring flaws in his arguments, and I’m being generous calling his posts “arguments”.
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“the quotes are accurate?” Because YOU say so? Because an anonymous shithead on X says so? You have no basis for saying “the quotes are accurate” yet you aver it nonetheless.
coCKSucker175 is a moron.
Last August he said: “When I win, I will immediately bring prices down, starting on Day One,"
And yet, inflation is getting worse, not better. Go suck an egg, Don.
Last August he said: “When I win, I will immediately bring prices down, starting on Day One,"
And yet, inflation is getting worse, not better. Go suck an egg, Don.
Still under $3.00 a gallon for gas and food is either staying the same or going down. 🤷🏻♂️
Trump said he was going to make food prices go DOWN. If you think any food prices are going down, give us an example or STFU.
It amuses me that the Trump win caused their other buddy to never come back 🤣🤣🤣