be killed over Bibles being burned in the U.S.? That is what the general was talking about. Not, who's going to be insulted. Because you can't figure that out, you make it about leftist hypocrisy! Try to keep your eye on the ball.

"Backlash" he is concerned about? The death of even more American soldiers, needlessly, and just to make a stupid point. You left that point out.

I would forgo my opportunity to burn a Koran if it meant I would save a soldiers life.

Oh, and regarding Truman and Mac Arthur, that was a very long time ago, and a lot has changed since then.

I believe, if I remember correctly, that President Obama fired General McCrystal because he was questioning his policy and position as Commander-In-Chief. And, I believe the same was true regarding President Truman and General McArthur.

That's a major difference from making a comment about a minister burning Korans.

during the Viet Nam War, my job was to inform families that their solder, marine, sailor, airman or aviator had died in the line of service, and to take part in their burial.

I bet you would not have been willing to say, to the faces of their family members: "Soldiers get hired knowing they are in harms way, it's part if the job description." You are so quick to write off someone elses life. So sad!


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City officials have denied his request for a burn permit and I bet the fire dept will say the burning of ink is a hazardous material and they probably can put a stop to it and it will not go off as planned.




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intentionally try to be controversial, they both have stated that, though the minister and his church members have a Constitutional Right to do what they want to do, they both think in would be better if it was not done. Palin calls it "Antithetical to American Ideals."

"The top U.S. commander in Afghanistan told NBC News on Wednesday that a Florida church’s plan to burn the Quran this weekend would fuel anti-U.S. hatred rivaling the backlash against the infamous photographs of U.S. abuses at Iraq’s Abu Ghraib prison."

Better be damn glad you work for the whoose in the White House. If Truman was there he would fire you ass for getting into political discussions with the press. He fired Mac Authur, and didn't give a damn how popular he was. Look Gen. you job is tow win. You got time to worry about what going on in Florida maybe a lesser rank can handel you assigment and you can come back to the Pentegon a pick fly shit out of the pepper in the mess hall.

Bibles could be burned on every street, and not one liberal would whine about Christians 'right" to not be offended.... fuck them. We have free speech in this country. Burn the FUCK outta that book.

Fuck the damn book.  Burn it, shit on it, do whatever you want.  When the so-called "good" Muslims express the same outrage toward other Muslims who give a woman 99 lashes with a cane over some damn picture, when they express outrage about burying the same woman up to her head and then throw stones at her head till she is dead, when they express outrage at their cousins or brothers who become suicide bombers....  in short they need to shit or get off the pot .... no more free ride, no more political correctness, no more shyness.... it is time that the Muslims step up and take the credit and the blame for what they believe.

THANK YOU

our enemies when they scream Iraq was all about oil. Or that we were "occupiers". They were happy to inaccurately claim that US troops murdered a million Iraqis..

Burn Baby Burn

It's OK to burn the American flag. It's OK to burn Bibles. But don't you dare burn a Koran!

Double thank you!

My eye is on the ball. and its in the Bill of Rights.   Should we just shut down the press and shit on free speech everytime some radical muslim gets "offended?"
and no, I dont think my comment was off key about the left, either. When Christians react this way (rarely) the left says "see? they're intolerant assholes". Yet, they defend Muslims who do the very same thing. Everyone must tiptoe around radical Islam. Appease the enemy! You bet!  Next, let's ban pork bc they dont like it! yay!

Yeah, because we all know, radical muslims need reasons to to attack innocents. (yes that was sarcasm)

The left always takes the side of the enemy when it's America, or any religion but christianity.

The issue is not defense of Muslim radicals or even non radical muslims to not be offended by burning of the koran. The issue is how can we be strongest in defeating radical islam. Having a minister perform a provocative act that makes no contribution to the fight against radical islam, damages the first against monsters like bin laden and mullah omar. There is no appeasment by the people that are asking the minister to back down, don't confuse wisdom and steady focus on an important objective with weakness.

Exactly! Whenever radical Islam gets in a tizzy everyone just STOP BREATHING. We dont wanna piss iff people who are violent, intolerant, and tyrannical anyway, do we?
Hell, let's just burn our Constitution or any damned thing THEY dont like. We wouldnt want them to hurt us.

You dont think that asking someone to not burn a koran isnt a appeasement? So....taken to an extreme, we should not allow any form of protest against Islam, if they threaten violence? and that's NOT appeasement? It certainly is. These assholes know thety can raise a sword, or gun, ior whatever, whenever they feel like it, and we will fall in line. Its a way to control us.
Burning the Koran is free speech. Fuck them.
Soldiers get hired knowing they are in harms way, it's part if the job description.
and these whackjobs dont need reasons to attack the innocent. Its just an excuse todo so.

the axiom of the military staying out of politics has change according to the current POTUS. He fired the previous Gen. in Afghan for political remarks.

When you allow active military to meddle in politics you are creating a danger to government.  That my whole point. The military has brought down more governments than anything else.

It's domestic politics and has no place in the military in a public form of any kind.

Both General McCrystal  and General McArthur tried to insert their rank and office into politics and both were and should have should have been fired. Both gererals have or had numerious lines of communications to the White House which are not public. To make news out of this is out of line, against tradition and bad taste.

glad it was yours and not mine. Unfornetuly that's why the spell it W.A.R. and P.L.A.Y. No one ever won a war by dying for there country, they won by making the other guy die for his in ever increasing numbers.

Is that I have never seen a single Muslim in this country sneek their way onto a school board and shove their religious bullshit down the throats of children in a science class.

I have never seen a Muslim in this country stand out in front of a women's health clinic and bar a rape victim from essential health services.

I have never seen a Muslim in this country set off pipe bombs at the Olympics, or blow up health clinics.

I have never seen a Muslims in this country organize around the idea of killing doctors.

I have never seen a Muslim mosque secretly fund ballot initiatives to ban gay marriage.

And I have never seen a Muslim mosque use their position of power to cover up and mass raping of children.

Christians shouldn't be offended by burning the bible. They shouldn't even be offended by the burning of Christians.

You could have a 1000 9/11s, and it wouldn't even compare to the horrors that Christians have perpetrated against this country.

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"Now were criticizing Petraues and calling hypocrisyy '


Now thats hilarious. You must be stuck trying to read that first page,in your ten thousand year old history books. Let me give you a clue about your ten thousand year old books.They are  petrified wood with worm holes.Now I'm wondering have you been checked for worm holes?
I don't need Petraeus to tell me Rev Terry is stirring up hate.Too bad the hypocritical left doesn't see the truth when they disagree.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjcTb2ORVd0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PR144kCjORc

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/9/15/10264/5649

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rf6IxFWLqxY&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7t_C7zF2jdQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dABgsble6cA

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but you still wouldn't have the guts to repeat what you said to their faces, or the faces of their loved ones.

SouthernJezebel  , 9/9/2010 2:48:48 PM   [See my TER reviews]

'You know what I have never seen christians do?
Ive never seen christians jail women for being raped.
ive never seen christians stone women for adultry
Ive never seen christians force women to cover themselves
Ive never seen christians kill gays or converts to other religions
You see the things you mentioned here bc it's a christian country. so what?
Give Sharia Law a try (which Muslims wouls LOVE to implement here) and your ass would be dead just for being on this board.  Btw...Muslims oppose abortion also."

 After your post I am thankful we are a Christian nation. I never gave it much thought how bad things would be if the founders of this country did not believe in their Christian God..Was that part of Divine Providence?

might be used as evidence that it is hazardous!

Move the fuck on..

I'm no fan of nutty Muslims Jeze, and you should know that by now. And we can bitch and moan about what they do half way across the globe, but it sounds a little fucking empty considering we can't get our own house in order.

You've never seen Christians jail women for being raped? That's because they're not allowed to. But they will make them pay for their own rape kits.

You've never seen Christians stone women for adultry? Well, in the case of Sarah Palin's buddy Thomas Muthee, they still run women out of town for being witches.  

You've never seen Christians force women to cover themselves? But they do everything in their power to stop pornography and prostitution. What, do you think they just don't want women to catch a cold?

You've never seen Christians kill gays or converts to other religions? Wow. Does the name Matthew Sheppard ring a bell? How about the name Harvey Milk? Christians kill people of other religions all the time, i.e. the Iraq War.

This is NOT a Christian country. It's a secular country. Laid in the very foundation of this country with the words: "Congress shall make NO LAW respecting an establishment of religion."

Any religious lunatic is a threat to liberty. Always has been, always will be. But I don't see Muslim Mosques blocking up traffic on Sundays. I see Christians doing that, and they're all nuttier than a Snickers bar. And unlike those nutcase Muslims, those nutty Christians are fucking everywhere in this country.

They're like roaches armed with guns. And all these rapture-happy lunatics just can't wait to meet Jesus, and make sure you meet him too.

The bigger question is What good burning Koran does for America? Nothing!

It looks foolish and idiotic and will serve Taliban to recruit illiterate foot soldiers to blow themselves up while killing innocent people.

Love for the country and Patriotism starts with knowing what is good for the country not burning some fucking book in a street corner.

What is amazing is that in the 21st century the main topic of discussion is religion. Religion is a business that benefits few people and they will do and say anything to fill their pocket.

Love your country then do what is best for the country and don't repeat or do so some BS. Shouting stupidity and doing stupid and brain dead activity is not good for the country. Hate is not good for the country. Violence is not good for the country. Illiteracy is not good for the country. Poverty is not good for the country, and the list goes on and on. These are the things we should be talking about solving not some Koran burning by a preacher who couldn't get a real job and decided become a pastor.

World will be better place.

These books haven't done fucking thing to benefit humanity other than creating wealthy business. Apparently there are no wisdom in them, if there is, we wouldn't killing each other in the name of one book or another.

Fucking burn them all and never print them again. World will be better place in 50 to 100 years.

I agree amazingly...religion causes much strife

and you are quick to dismiss that is WHY they join the service, to defend our freedoms, including the freedom to burn a Koran.

Burning of ink is hazardous? LMAO
Ive burned piles of newspapers and magazines. There is nothing "hazardous" about it. But anything to deny free speech rights....

Florida pastor calls off Quran burning

http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/09/09/florida.quran.burning/index.html?hpt=T1&iref=BN1

You know what I have never seen christians do?
Ive never seen christians jail women for being raped.
ive never seen christians stone women for adultry
Ive never seen christians force women to cover themselves
Ive never seen christians kill gays or converts to other religions
You see the things you mentioned here bc it's a christian country. so what?
Give Sharia Law a try (which Muslims wouls LOVE to implement here) and your ass would be dead just for being on this board.  Btw...Muslims oppose abortion also.

My sister is in Iraq right now. Are you going to bring her back when some nutfuck straps a bomb on his chest and blows himself up at the checkpoint she's working while screaming gibberish about infidels burning the Koran?

Sure you have free speech. Just because you CAN do something, doens't necessarily mean you SHOULD do it.

I applaud the spirit and I support the sentiment of what this pastor intended to do, but its not your family who's ass is on the line over there, its mine. And there is absolutely NO doubt that burning the Koran WILL incite violence. Its not a question maybe or maybe not, it abso-fucking-lutely WILL.

You want to fight the fight? Then fucking DO it. Oh, you want have your little flag waving protest over here, you want to load the gun yourself, and then comfort yourself that the soldier that gun is pointed 'signed up' for it.

Its not appeasement its called common fucking sense. We ARE in a fight against islamo facists. Homeland Security, the FBI, the CIA, and all branches of our military are fighting that battle on a daily basis.

You tell me please, what the fuck does a stupid, ignorant publicity stunt have to do with shit? Just tell me that. So you burn a koran. Big motherfucking deal. Its charcoal now. Is that going to get the Muslims to suddenly say "Oh! We get it now! They don't like us because we still wipe our asses with our left hands! Hey, maybe we should evolve like the rest of the world!" and suddenly we have peace and harmony the world over? Is that what is going to happen?

No, I tell you what is going to happen. Someone ELSE - sure as fuck not you babe, cause you sure as shit aren't wearing a uniform - no, someone ELSE, someone who had the fucking guts to put their ass on the line for you will DIE because of a stupid stunt. A stunt that did NOTHING, that changed NOTHING. But by God! Lets wrap ourselves up in a Constitution you don't even comprehend and bray like a jackass about free speech.

If you have never served, just shut the FUCK up about 'job descriptions' and what a soldier is expected to do. You know fuck all about what a soldier expects to do, or why they choose to do it.

Signed, a proud veteran, and even prouder sister of a soldier on her 5th tour of duty in Iraq.

Ok, I will restate my points VERY clearly so that there is NO possibility that your thin modicum of literacy will fail to comprehend them this time:

1. Yes, you have free speech. Just because you CAN do something, doesn't necessarily mean that you SHOULD. It really astounds me that you can't seem to comprehend that fact. NO ONE HAS SAID ANYTHING ABOUT DENYING THIS GUY HIS RIGHTS. Show me a law agency threatening this pastor with arrest. What's that? No one is threatening to throw this guy in jail? OH! Looks like his freedom of speech isn't in danger after all. DUH!

2. Employing COMMON FUCKING SENSE is not fucking appeasement. Common sense says you don't send our soldiers into a fucking MEAT GRINDER, and then turn the grinder on yourself. There are plenty of ways for our soldiers to die as it is. They don't need ignorant fucking jackasses over here piling on just to make things more interesting.

3. This demonstration serves NO valuable purpose whatsoever. It will change NOTHING. It will do NOTHING. It is not going to change anyone's mind, its not going to inspire intelligent discussion. It is not going to have ANY effect on your Average American. The ONLY impact this demonstration will have is on the Muslim world. So what is the purpose of inciting further violence? Are you craving more attacks? Is that it? Is the body count not high enough for you? Maybe that's the purpose. They aren't attacking our soldiers enough, there are'nt enough headlines anymore, so you want to go out of your way to beat the hornet's nest just to see more explosions, more coffins, more disfigured soldiers.

I asked you in my last post what purpose this demonstration would serve. What value it has. I noticed that you found time to call me a cunt (re read my posts, I might be angry, but I never made it personal or about you). You found time to bray like a jackass about freedom of speech that you don't even fucking understand, and is NOT threatened here. But you never adressed the more important question.

WHAT IS THE VALUE OF THIS DEMONSTRATION? Just make a feeble attempt to answer that.

And I didn't question your patriotism. I said get your fucking ass down to the recruiter's station. How fucking dare you blithely dismiss the risks we ask our soldiers to take, if you yourself have not been willing to take them. You know fuck all about what it means to serve. Was that clearer?

The difference between you and I is that I actually know what the Bill of Rights SAYS.

First Amendment: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances"

Lets get to the meat of it here.

There are some keywords you seem to be either unaware of, or ignorant of the significance of. "CONGRESS". Do you know what Congress is? And "shall make no LAW". You do know what a law is, right?

So lets put this together....CONGRESS shall make no law abridging the freedom of speech.

Is Petraeus Congress? NO you fucking dumbass.

Is Obama Congress? NO you fucking dumbass.

Are the various media personalities who interviewed the pastor Congress? NO you fucking dumbass.

Am I Congress or anyone else on this board Congress? NO you fucking dumbass.

Has anyone at the local, state, or federal level made ANY attempts to rush legislation that would prohibit him from burning the Koran?? NO you fucking dumbass.

Has ANYONE so much as hinted that he will face any sort of criminal charges if he proceeds? NO you fucking dumbass.

So tell me HOW.....EXACTLY and in VERY specific detail.....this guy's freedom of speech has been violated or even threatened?

Do you mean to say that NO ONE, not ONE single person, is allowed to even suggest to him that this is a bad idea and that he shouldn't do it?? Read that question about 5 times until your addled mind FINALLY recognizes the total hypocrisy here.

You are so busy worrying about the non-existent threat to HIS freedom of speech, that you are trampling the freedom of speech of the other 330 million Americans who live here. Apparently NONE of us are allowed to say he's an idiot and shouldn't burn the Koran.

This is why idiots shouldn't be allowed to vote. I go back to one of my original statments, you have wrapped yourself up in a constitution YOU DO NOT FUCKING COMPREHEND, so that you can bray like an ignorant jackass about rights that are not threatened. Do you get it now?

Look, bitch. take it down a notch and watch your tone. Got it?
Now.... listen instead of reacting like an overly emotional cunt.
Our troops DO enlist to defend us, that DOES include defending our freedoms, such as free speech, as hateful as it might be.  When long haired hippies protested this war in the beginning, many islamic terrorists said they got their inspiration to soldier on from those protests!
Did we make war protest illegal? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
The fact someone may react violently to something doesn'ty justify the denial of RIGHTS.
What gets me is that you are more outraged over as Koran burning than the violence of a people who react like 5 yr olds when they arent kowed to.
I have not served in the military but I have donated LARGE amounts to armed service causes. My dad was in Vietnam. SO FUCK YOU. How fucking dare you question my patriotism!

Matthew Shepards murder was motivated by HATRED OF GAYS not religious intolerance of gays.
I know who Harvey Milk is but dont know the story behind his death so Ill reserve judgement.
But the facts remain, Muslims are far more terrifying than any christian I know. but youre simply bigoted against Christians, regardless. MOST christians live their lives like anyone else, live and let live. You choose a handful of morons, and claim every christian is out to force their religion thru law. It's just not so.

It doesnt have to have value. Does "Piss Christ" have value? NO. But it's still free expression.
I made my point several times.  If Muslims can stomp a US flag, why cant a preacher burn a Koran?
Why not?  Either you believe in the first amendment or you dont.
Should we get rid of every tenant of American life when Muslims throw tantrums or threaten?
How far does it go? Will journalists not be allowed to write editorials about Muslims, for fear or retaliation? At what point do you say, fuck this? and actually its General Petraeus that made it a big deal by fear mongering and getting on TV, he's not even supposed to get involved in such matters.
and as for calling you a cunt, you called me a jackass. Nothing is being dismissed.....either YOU SUPPORT the BOR or you dont.  You seem to forget that radicals dont need reasons to exterminate innocents, and by them flying into rages, just proves they need wiped off the earth. and just so you know, after 4 yrs iof ROTC, I attempted to join the military and was DENIED because of a heart condition called Mitral Valve Prolapse. I tried to join the reserves at age 26, was told I was too old (?) to join, and of course the heart issue cropped up again. I dont even need to be in the military, if there was ever a need to take up arms against these creeps, Id do so free-style but your guilt trip isnt working. Freedom is, as freedom does. and dont EVER talk down to me again. I dont have to justify myself to you.

wow, I guessed you missed the part about not talking down to me, huh, bitch?
Go fuck yourself. You know very goddamned well what my point is.
You've called me a jackass, and idiot....and speak to me (and others have noticed it also in the past) as if we are stupid and you know it all bc you served in the military. LOTS of ppl have served. Get over it, you're not above me and I have a right to speak as much as you.
The point is the selective use tolerance for certain kinds of speech. Would u be so outraged if Muslims burned Bibles and the flag? FUCK NO. You, like most Americans would sit with your finger up your ass.
I know what the BOR SAYS and never claimed the pastor would be jailed or punished, did I?
I never said nobody could criticize.   Take your uppity bullshit and shove it up your ass.