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First it was the $150K that the RNC spent on Palin's clothes.

Now we learn that her make-up artist makes $11K a WEEK!  More than Randy Scheunemann, McCain's policy adviser.

Whaaaat???

Now while these facts may seem trivial, one question begs to be asked.  WTF is McCain thinking???  Of course he didn't personally approve that expenditure (I'm guessing) but it is indicative of a campaign structure that is not in control.

So, even more importantly, if he can't run a campaign properly, how will he run a government???

(don't forget, his campaign cratered once before last year & had to be reorganized & brought back from the dead by Phil Gramm)

Yikes!!!

how you run your campaign is how you will run this country.


lies

corruption

underhanded

manipulation

low budget

alienation

McCain has a lot of flaws and he certainly wasn’t my first choice for the job.  As a matter of fact, with the exception if Huckabee, he was my last choice among the Republican candidates.  However, at this point the top priority is to keep Obama out of office: Everything else is ancillary.

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her experience includes

the bride to know where

the proximity of her home to Russia
and many other wacky things

Sarah Palin Family Meeting

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BLJS9yoHQms

PALIN DISNEY MOVIE Sarah Palin Disney Trailer

An Alaskan hockey mom becomes Vice President  Sound familiar?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=reRTXJSyTjo

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I posted most of this earlier.

Odds are

There is a 1 in 6 chance that McCain wont survive the first term. 1 in 3 he wouldn't survive a second based on actuality tables employed in the insurance industry. (Which wouldnt exist in a socialist society Greg)

This doenst include his battle with skin cancer or his well-preserved condition or genetics.

Also he wouldnt have to die. A lenghty health issue that incapacitated him would be worse actually.

Given your propensity to form theories based on your daughter's sorority friends and high school kids in California, I question your ability to prioritize evils.

"Every time there is a major brawl in a Los Angeles area high school it is between blacks and Latinos.  I have never heard of a brawl between Latinos and whites."  - you

The sorority comment was actually another idiot poster who's opinions damn near mirror yours.  I was mistaken on that one.  Gets hard to tell you all apart sometime.

The Dems have been screaming, "We have important issues. Let's not talk distractions like Acorn, Ayers, and Wright."

Well, I guess one of the important issues is how much should make-up people get paid.

Personally, I care less about how much campaigns spent to frililous stuff than I care about the candidates judgments regarding the character of his past associates.

I care much more about whether the candidate had various and undefined relationship with a unrepentant terrorist or a religious leader who admires Hamas than I care about the cost of clothes.

I am not paying for her clothes.  I will pay if the president has bad judgment in people.

So is the democratic party two faced, or is it echo?  Your title implied one, and the first sentence of your post implied the other.  I'm not sure he's a ranking member of any political party, but if he is I stand corrected.    

Speaking of inconsistency...

If you really gave a damn about past associations, Liddy, Falwell, and Hagee would make you even more antsy about presidential judgment - not to mention a few senators and bank execs.  Quite ironic that you would bring the "two-faced" argument into play here.  



Sorry for the confusion. My meaning of two-face was the Dems who scream "serious issues," and the scream, "expensive make-up." (Unless you think make-up and clothes really are issues.)

Anyway, none of the three you mentioned have nearly the level of association with McCain as Obama had with Wright.  Self-described spiritual mentor already tops it off.  By definition, a mentor is going to be a powerful influence on the person.  

20 years of close association with all the connections in between adds to it.  

Give me 20 years of association with Hagee.  

McCain's "ties" to Hagee and company are fleeting and brief.  How did Liddy influence McCain?  How many boards and organizations was McCain on that Hagee served on with him at the same time?  (hint - think small and round.) Did McCain's career get launched in Farwell's living room?  

And that is just the start.

But really sticking to the point, do you think this make-up stuff is a serious consideration?

First,  you're never going to convince that Wright said anything wrong.  As a believer in the religion Wright is considered to be a leader of, I do have problems with his abilities as a spiritual authority - still don't disagree with anything he's said regarding America, though.  I read the text of his speeches in question in their entirety (not just Youtube video clips) and found nothing incorrect or inflammatory about any of his statements.  If, however, you live under this delusion that US government always conducts itself lawfully and fairly (especially when it comes to Black Americans), and is above any harsh criticism - we're never going to agree.

To your point, though, if serving on the board of a non-profit educational organization with Ayers signals an influential relationship on the part of Obama, then so does delivering a commencement address at Falwell's college on the part of McCain - even more so, in fact.  And an actively pursued endorsement from Hagee, not just an unsolicited one, is far from "fleeting and brief."  If I were to ask you to give me your rubber stamp of approval because I'm running for some office, it does indicate that our doctrine and beliefs intersect with each other at some point.  Feel free to disagree with me on that, but in doing so, you just refuted your own argument about how Obama's been influenced.  

McCain's career may not have been launched in Falwell's living room, but he did hold a fundraiser in the home of G. Gordon Liddy.  Sounds sort of familiar, huh?  Beyond that, McCain has publicly praised Liddy and vouched for him on more than one occasion.  You can Google the exact quotes for yourself, as I don't recall the words verbatim; but the rhetoric points to "YES, I'm with him."  

If you're TRULY bothered by Obama's past associations, then you should also be bothered by McCain's.  I think you're probably just buying into the bullshit of his campaign, though, and not really researching anything for yourself because you obviously weren't even aware of the extent of the relationships I mentioned.  I should also say, that I'm not terribly offended or appalled by McCain's alliances - just using them to refute your Obama objections.  I happen to not be voting for McCain because he's terribly incompetent and of dangerous temperament - not so much because he keeps company with nutcases.

And no, I don't give much of a damn about how much Palin spends on clothes and make-up, either.  It just sort of goes against the flimsy populist rhetoric that the ticket uses to win the support of the wal-mart class.  Probably not really worth discussion, though, because you can just review JM's economic and tax policies to impeach that angle.

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If I recall, and please forgive me if I am wrong, and I am speaking loosely from memory, not quoting exactly, but Hagee's big problem was his comment that the Holocaust was from God as a means of leading to the creation of Israel.  

Many people took this to be anti-semetic in that he was saying God planned for the killing of 6 million Jews.

In fact, many orthodox Jews adopt this very belief. It sounds shocking at first, but many Jews (and other people) believe God has a plan that we can not fully fathom, but that he may allow one thing that leads to another.

It is not logical, I will admit, but the very nature of religion - the leap of faith - belief - is not logical.

In short, Hagee's comments were far from anti-Semetic, but are what some Jews presume to be true.

Aren't you the same folks that defended Edwards' $500 hair cuts??

Are you people THIS easily distracted??? Good god, on Friday when the stock market took yet another dive, the AOL headline was "Palin explains clothes expenditure" instead of a headline dealing with our economy and a faltering stock market. Apparently clothes are more important than real issues.

I don't give a fart about how much a candidate spends on clothes. I don't give a fart if a candidate spends $500 just to get his hair cut either. Are these REALLY the issues that decide how you vote??? Do us ALL a favor please - just don't vote.

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No I am NOT one of those that defended Edwards' haircut. Were YOU one of those that was bashing  him for it?

And if you read my post carefully, you'd notice I am calling attention to McCain's judgment & capabilitiy at runninng a CAMPAIGN.

The thesis is: "... if he can't run a campaign properly, how will he run a government??? "

When YOU figure that out, go & put your 2 cents in the ballot box!

But if your blind partisanship interferes with your capacity for reasoned arguments, "Do us ALL a favor please - just don't vote."


 

She had 2 people on the payroll throughout the campaign to doll her up before every appearence,
They made over 100 K , so cut the liberal drivel moron. It cuts both ways.

Didn't care for Hillary, but of course she had that type of staff.  I am sure that Obama and Bidden also travel with someone who does make-up.

Do you know what they would look like under bright lights.  

at $11k the makeup artist is the highest paid in the mccain/palin campaign


thats squandering money

he needs priorities

thats not presidential

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People like to try and ignore it.

The clothes were bought by RNC, and thus willing contributors -- that, I can tolerate.  However, it is the McCain campaign itself that is paying for the makeup artist... and his campaign is publically financed.  The idea that my tax dollars go towards that woman's very poorly done makeup (WAY too much blush and eyeshadow, dear god, let her natural beauty shine through) makes my blood boil.

And yet Brad Blakeman claims it is an "outrage" that Obama spends a few grand that was WILLINGLY DONATED TO HIM to go visit his gravely ill grandmother.  More outrageous than $150k on clothes or $11k/week on makeup.  He even said Obama should fly COMMERCIAL.  Excuse me?  And risk getting shot?  Yeah, the GOP sure does care about family values.  The hypocrisy leaves a bad taste in my mouth and I think that anyone who agrees with Mr. Blakeman's statement needs to do some serious introspection.

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You make plenty of valid points & I agree.

OTOH, I am not that concerned with where the money came from .. even if the makeup artist was paid with donor money, I’d still question the judgment of the campaign.  

It is hypocritical to position the candidate as a populist (Wal-mart Mom, etc, etc) & then spend more money on clothes & makeup than Joe-the-freaking-plumber’s MORTGAGE.

There is a dissonance between what comes out of the mouth of the campaign & what it actually does. That, to me, is a harbinger of a McCain administration.

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