I once got lost in Quantico and found myself facing an Apache helicopter. Yeh, there's a LOT of WMDs in the USA. It's our number one export.

But I wouldn't draw any conclusions from this. This guy is obviously a stone cold idiot. Oh, and if you're worried about a dirty bomb, the Department of Energy did research on it, and found that for a dirty bomb to cause any damage from radiation, you'd have to stand where it exploded...and not move...for about a year. As for chemical weapons, you probably have more dangerous things in your house than anything terrorists have ever smuggled in.

What is this guy talking about?  Did they find a WMD?  Why hasn’t this gotten publicity?  

They obviously found something, but everyone dances around it so adeptly, that it is kind of pathetic.

If it were not true, why doesn't someone just say in plain English, "Nothing was found."

Instead, it is "we didn't find it, but partner agencies found it." Or "Noting was found at the border." or "No Nukes."

Why not just "We never found anything of that nature.

You can say its Fox, but they are interviewing a government agent.  A simple ad hominem attack is the weapon of the weak mind.

What is a “weapon of mass effect?”

http://nation.foxnews.com/justice/2011/02/14/weapon-mass-destruction-found-us-shock-confession-customs-officer

The replies here have been most illuminating. Everything from conspiracy jujitsu to "eh, at least it's California". You guys are priceless.

That other gov't agent is a public affairs officer, who didn't want this stone cold idiot making her job a lot harder.

How hard would it have been for this guy to say, "no comment" or "I can neither confirm nor deny"? I gotta tell ya, I don't get much attention in my office from the media, but I have had to talk to a few Congressmen in my day. You learn real quick how not to make waves.

Given that the whole Muslim world is in the middle of a democratic revolution, which in and of itself, delegitimizes everything al Qaeda does, then I'd have to say the danger of Islamic terrorism is quite possibly at a 20 year low right now.

Meanwhile, North Dakota is working on making Christian domestic terrorism legal.

So this low level employee (I thought he was an assistant director of something) would also be an idiot, a horrible public speaker, would get on camera with a public affairs officer standing next to him (talk about stupid), and also would happen to have personal knowledge of "Weapons of Mass Effect" in the port of San Diego. Riiiight.

I'll just say that you don't have to go dumpster diving to smell a rat.

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He may be an idiot, but there is another agent next to him who doesn't say, "Joe's a jerk. He's full of it." Rather, she seems to be hushing him up.  

Then they make further inquiries, and instead of a "Nothing has been found," they get a vague and carefully worded statement that has what we used to call "plausible deniability."

The way to defuse this type of story is to say, "nothing of that nature has been found by any agency."
When they can't make that statement, it is very suspicious. Don't know what it is, but it's suspicious.

When ever someone has to engage in plausible deniability, you should wonder why they can't give a straight answer. It was Springstein who said that trusting in your leaders will get you killed. Now, they want absolute trust and no question clearly answered.

Also, yes, I have a lot of dangerous stuff in my house.  But I have never vowed to kill anyone, I was never trained to kill anyone, I was never a member of a groups dedicated to killing anyone.  If a person fits those three classes, his possession of an item I have may raise some eyebrows.  I have a box cutter. No one is dead from it.

I remember after 9-11, one of the frequent attackes on The Evil Bush was they did warn the people when there had been increased chatter detected.  The left was saying "if there was that danger, he should have told us."  

Of course that was all vague, so there wasn't much to say. Now, it seems that they shoud obfuscate and minimize.

Posted By: willywonka4u

I once got lost in Quantico and found myself facing an Apache helicopter. Yeh, there's a LOT of WMDs in the USA. It's our number one export.

But I wouldn't draw any conclusions from this. This guy is obviously a stone cold idiot. Oh, and if you're worried about a dirty bomb, the Department of Energy did research on it, and found that for a dirty bomb to cause any damage from radiation, you'd have to stand where it exploded...and not move...for about a year. As for chemical weapons, you probably have more dangerous things in your house than anything terrorists have ever smuggled in.

We'll probably have to loose a whole city or State, before anybody is going to become concerned by this.  The upside here is at least its California in this case.  

I think this illustrates that most of the precautions taken today are not to prevent terrorism, but to exact control and limit rights.  That's not news.  But there's a big bang coming.  That'll be news too late.

Phil what good would you knowing where a wmd was do? Are you trying to point out that the govt is keeping secrets from us and evidence of it is readily available on TV news shows? Thanks for both Phil.

You dont care if California gets blown up? But you want the rest of your post to have credibility. Ok tell us more about the big bang thats coming.

Funny funny and funny ha-ha. Good post, but denial is a river...

Nobody's gonna act concerned until you can link this incident to global warming. Ooh scary.

Bark;
Running Dog of Lackey.

Funny how you jump to an insult of someone you don't know as a
"stone cold idiot."  The average person gets a mike and camera shoved in his face, and he may not be very articuate.

Even the Teleprompter Kid screws up after rehearsals.  He can't even promounce "corpseman."  Screwed that up twice in a row, with all his Harvard degree.

But a low level employee gets jammed by a reporter for info he should not be talking about, and you want him to spout the King's English like Churchill

FYI, there is often no correlation between ability to speak well in publc and either veracity or intelligence.  Dumb people can tell lies with great ease.

It is amazing.  You are worried about North Dakota terrorists who have killed no one yet, but from 9-11 to Madrid, to India, to Russia to London, to 100 other attacks, and you just think that it is absurd to question potential dangers on the part of the Islamic treat.  Do you want a list of every related attack?  Tens of thousands dead, and to you it is a mocking "Boogeyman."  But you are afraid of a vague group that has done nothing.

Here's a deal - when the North Dakota terrorists have killed .01 percent - that is one thousandth - of the people killed by al Qaeda and related groups, we can worry about that.


Paranoids see dangers when there are none.  Thousands of people blown up in dozens of countries, all linked together, and you think the Cons are such a crazy group for thinking, "Gosh, maybe they want to do something mean."

On the other hand, when there was a little Chatter, The Devil Bush deserved castration for not doing the Chicken Little.

There may be turmoil in the streets of Cairo now, but why does that "delegitimize" what as Qaeda does?  That is one of the greatest non sequiturs  in the history of this board.  "People are rioting in Yemen, therefore al Qaeda can't do anything in California."  

Bark.

for a long time, all you say to my posts is "ass facts," "lackey," and other mindless comments.  A mantra of religious like automatic thought.  You never say why an "ass fact" is not correct. You never say what is wrong with what I say. You just say it is dumb, or silly, or some other adjective that ignores the content.

You have never addressed on substantive thing I said. If you want to address my posts in a meaningful fashion, I will respond in kind.  If you want to keep replying with "ass facts" and "Lackey," I will continue to respond was a Running Dog of Capitalism with Bark, Bark Bark, bark.

I.e. you have a choice of three options: 1) ignorne me, and I will ignore you - notice, I never responded to your posts that were not comments  on mine. 2) Respond addressing the things I say, and I will return the favor. or 3) respond in meaningless rhetoric.

If you respond in meaningless rhetoric, I will Bark. Bark, Bark.

Or you can ignore me, as I am obviously doing to you. Bark,

There has been one attack that I can recall that was sucsessfull in the US since 9/11, Ft. Hood, and that was done by an American with a hand gun.
Other than that there has been a guy that tried to blow his shoes and a guy that tried to blow up an SUV in NY.  
Talk of plans to poison salad bars and other interesting things.

A pot head kid in Arizona was able to take out a federal judge and almost a US rep, along with 8 other people last month.

How is it that this international terrorist network, funded with millions of dollars, can't seem to get some guys in this country, get them automatic weapons to carry out an attack?

First, McVeigh was not Christian in the sense of a practicing religous person who did it for Christianity. I was born a Jew, but I do not believe and do not practice. If I commit a crime, it is not being done for Judism or as a Jew.  When I run a red light, you cannot attribute that to the synagogue down the street.

McVeigh did not do that in the name of Christianity, and no church of any serious significance supported that.

In contrast, every crime I mentioned was committed by Moslems, they did it in the name of Islam, and hundreds of mosques and imans applauded it.  Even after that, scores of mosques call for more of the same.  

Find two priests in the U.S. who approve of Roeder or McVeigh.  Don't exist.

Every religion, every nation, every group has dangerous nuts, but you don't tar the religion, nation, or group with the sins of the dangerous lone nut, unless that nut is supported by, encouraged, and praised by the religion.  

No cardinal of the church ever said anything that was in any way supportive of McVeigh. That is an absolute.  That cannot be said about 9-11, Madrid, London, Bali, Times Square, Russia, the rest.

In any event, even with all that, you are still below the 1/1000 level.

Re non sequitor, BLAME THE US, BLAME THE US, BLAME THE US.  the dictators in that area are not all US puppets.  Look at Lybia. Look at Syria.  Look at Iran.  The lives of the people there are shitty not because of the US.

Finally, I love the snide way you avoid things. I said there are thousands of dead and you do the "fighting over there so we don't have to fight here."  That avoids the issue with a clever little avoidance.  The fact that Bush may have said something as dumb as 57 states does not mean that there are not tens of thousands dead.  Of course, if you have no answer to the fact of real corpses, you can just hide behind a Bush comment and avoid the dead bodies.

Posted By: willywonka4u

Posted By: dncphil

It is amazing.  You are worried about North Dakota terrorists who have killed no one yet,

Please, Phil. Christian domestic terrorists have killed quite a few people. Does the name Tim McVeigh ring any bells? How about Eric Rudolph? Scott Roeder perhaps?

Posted By: dncphil

Tens of thousands dead, and to you it is a mocking "Boogeyman."

I thought we were fighting them over there so we wouldn't have to fight them over here.

Posted By: dncphil

Here's a deal - when the North Dakota terrorists have killed .01 percent - that is one thousandth - of the people killed by al Qaeda and related groups, we can worry about that.

Or...I might worry about what al Qaeda was doing here if nutty religious people were trying to pass a law making what they do LEGAL.

Posted By: dncphil

There may be turmoil in the streets of Cairo now, but why does that "delegitimize" what as Qaeda does?  That is one of the greatest non sequiturs  in the history of this board.  "People are rioting in Yemen, therefore al Qaeda can't do anything in California."  

Non sequitur? Really? Are you completely unaware that al Qaeda tells their followers that the reason why there's so many dictators in the Middle East making their lives shitty is becaues the Great Satan America props up these dictators? Do you not think that the popular removal of these dictators en mass delegitimizes that group? Why do you think the people over at Fox News are pulling their hair out over what's happened in Egypt?

You are a lackey lawyer. What more can be said? You split hairs when there is no need for hair splitting.You grind secret axes and when questioned about them you open a giant can of irrelevant worms and try to create a smoke screen with them. When that tactic fails you say that you have been insulted. Your posts are fucking  bloody cunty Phil.

Bark. yelp. bark.
bark

(To save time, this will be my response to anything you have to say to me in the future.  I tried to talk, but you come back with even more insults.  Don't be offended. You are my favorite Puppy Dog Of Communnism, even if you don't understand.)

Bark.

"a bloody fucking cunt."

Wow.  The level of debate that you achieve is so profound. I am in awe of someone who can discuss political and social issues in such depth. "Bloody fucking cunt."  Point/Counter point.

Hows that for an insult Phil? LOL

The capitalist class likes to keep a fake bogey man to distract the attention of the masses away from the true villans. It was communism once. Trillions were spent on the cold war but no one cared. To this day some people believe that to be communist is a crime. These days any group who opposes capitalist imperialism is a terrorist group.

Bark

Wow! You found someone or some group on the internet that supported Roeder.  How many people does it take to post things on the net?

Finding support on the net is meaningless.  Find one church of more than 30 people who support him.  Fridays after mass murder, in hundreds of mosques around the world, people give praise. Then they toss candy in the street.  

And you found someone on the net who supports Roeder.

Can you really not see the difference in what that says about the two groups?

Posted By: willywonka4u

Posted By: dncphil

McVeigh did not do that in the name of Christianity, and no church of any serious significance supported that.

We've talked about this before Phil. McVeigh was a white supremacist, who was a member of the Christian Idenity movement. Denying this is akin to saying that Operation Rescue is a secular organization. Which is relevant since Operation Rescue helped Scott Roeder track George Tiller.

Speaking of which, I googled "Scott Roeder" and "hero" and found this.

http://www.armyofgod.com/POCScottRoederIndexPage.html

I wonder how many thank you e-mails Roeder's gotten. Maybe we should email them and ask. What do you think, Phil?

Posted By: dncphil

Every religion, every nation, every group has dangerous nuts, but you don't tar the religion, nation, or group with the sins of the dangerous lone nut, unless that nut is supported by, encouraged, and praised by the religion.

By that religion, or by a particular congregation or denomination?

Posted By: dncphil

the dictators in that area are not all US puppets.

On this, we can certainly agree Phil. Not ALL the dictators in the Middle East are US puppets.

Posted By: dncphil

Finally, I love the snide way you avoid things. I said there are thousands of dead and you do the "fighting over there so we don't have to fight here."  That avoids the issue with a clever little avoidance.

Well, thank you for your kind words, Phil, but it does raise a good point. As our former President put it, his foreign policy goal was to use US soldiers as bait to keep the "homeland" safe. And as conservatives have said many times, this policy has kept us safe from another 9/11.

And perhaps setting that bait in the Middle East has kept us safe. Suppose you were a member of al Qaeda. If you wanted to kill an American, would you do it in your back yard where there's some hope of doing it with impunity and on the cheap, or would you risk certain capture or death and spend all the money it takes to get to the other side of the globe and do it in the USA? So long as we have soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan, then we have nothing to worry about, right?

Why do you want your posts to seem objective Phil?  All you accomplish is to show how little you know about Muslims or any other culture. Phil in order to be objective you need to be able to understand and articulate both sides of an issue. You are incapable of doing it. You come across as a weasel with a hidden agenda.

Bark.  But your understanding of both sides is so profound.  Bark.