example of WBVN and the clifton bubble has to do with a comparision of the past employment picture versus the current one tells me that talking to you guys is useless.

No one addressed the question of NAFTA..

http://theeroticreview.com/msgBoard/ViewMsgBody.asp?BoardID=39&Page=1&Messageid=16359

No one addressed this:

http://www.factcheck.org/article234.html

But -- as a look at the chart below will show -- US manufacturing employment was in decline for nearly three years before Bush became President. It actually declined by  544,000 between the peak reached in March, 1998 and when Clinton left office, even as the economy added nearly 7.8 million jobs in all categories during the climax of a roaring economic boom that ended a few weeks after Bush was sworn in. In fact, 238,000 of those manufacturing jobs were lost in Clinton's last six month alone, showing that the decline was well-established even before Bush had spent a day in office.

Instead I get stupid shit like this from banana boy:

http://theeroticreview.com/msgBoard/ViewMsgBody.asp?BoardID=39&Page=1&Messageid=16387

Mark my words on this though, this counrty faces some HUGE strucural economic problems that must be addressed sooner, rather than later. Many of which are beyond my grasp to understand, but if you think towing the party line for either of the 2 major parties is gonna get it done, well, we'll see.

You guys have more free time than i do,...enjoy.

BK



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But, you still have not addressed the UNDISPUTABLE FACT that the evil-Neocons are secretly plotting to ELIMINATE government and DESTROY the country through their tax-cuts-to-the-rich-starve-the-little-children programs. All while Carl Rove weaves his evil spells on voters and throws helpless puppies into blenders.

Get away from that factcheck.org crap and start reading more Krugman, BK.

RLTW

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My Claims:  

NAFTA is a good idea.

Tax cuts are not a good instrument for stimulating growth.  Tax policy will probably not increase US Manufacturing Jobs.  That is like trying to keep the steel industry in the US.  We cannot legislate manufacturing jobs.

You have my comments about tax policy below and an additional note to you specifically below.

Confused as to what you are looking for.  I think we all knew/know that the US is no longer a good place for manufacturing.  We are only competitive in areas where technology can make up for high people costs.  Besides much of it destroys the environment, so going overseas to trash their places sems a good idea.

Obviously the out of control world population is a key here as places with lots of people will ALWAYS be lower for manufacturing costs.

Do you propose the tariffs pf the 1930s?  That was a total failure.

Better to pay for world birht control-oops Bush cancelled that program.

And the era of manufacturing jobs being an entree to middle class lifestyle was THE ANOMALY-NOT the past before the wars (WWi & II) and now when those paths do not lead to wealth at all.

You've made a great beginnigs to an argument FOR massive wealth re-distribution- can we hear your other thoughts?

I think we all understood it. At least I did. With all due respect, it was kinda beside the point. Your NAFTA arguement still does not explain why we have not/are not growing like Bush and the conservatives have kept declaring (and continue to repeat over and over to this day) the tax cuts would. I believe your NAFTA post was in response to that point was it not?

Just want you to know since you keep bringing them up, that I think they are a very good source for information too.

Also, to my knowledge I have never heard anybody (until your post) imply that Krugman was distorting or misleading in any of his columns.

The Whoppers of 2004
http://www.factcheck.org/article298.html

I did not know we were arguing about this. I though we were talking about why Bush's tax cuts have not delivered what he promised they would and why the right continues to use the same arguement in favor of them in the face of evidence that shows that it has not worked as they continue to say it is suppose to?