Some more sad news resulting form unchecked immigration..

Gratitude, relief over arrests fill community

By REBECCA McCARTHY
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Published on: 05/02/04


The Rev. Antonio Jones and the members of his Cristo Vive church were preparing to hold a community prayer vigil this Friday night. They wanted to pray for the criminals terrorizing Gwinnett through a series of home invasions. And also to pray for their capture.

"But now we don't have to do that," Jones said. The news that eight suspects had been apprehended "is even ahead of our prayers. This is such great news. It's so great, I couldn't be happier."


All over Gwinnett County — in churches and groceries, on soccer fields and basketball courts, at suppers and birthday parties — you could almost hear a collective sigh of relief at news of the arrests, announced Friday evening. An alleged traffic offense led police officers to arrest eight Latino males who authorities say are linked to eight of the nine home invasions, which began a little more than two months ago.

Beginning Feb. 25, a gang of Latino males has staged eight home invasions in Gwinnett and one in Barrow county. Armed and masked, the group entered homes, tied up residents, pistol-whipped people, raped and sexually assaulted women and shot one man.

The criminals also stole money, jewelry and vehicles, terrorizing the county's Hispanic residents. As the crime spree continued, the gang seemed to become more violent, some residents observed.

One of those whose home was invaded is Joanna Farez. On March 5, five masked men broke into the Lawrenceville house she shares with her husband, José Gabriel Guzman, and their 2-year-old son. They tied up her husband, pointed a gun at her little boy's head and stole about $300.

News of the arrests had made her calmer, she said Sunday, but some doubts remain. Because the intruders were masked, she didn't see their faces, so she can't identify them through a lineup. She hopes the police have the right men, but thus far can't be positive. Police have said they can link the suspects to the Gwinnett invasions.

Still, doubts aside, Farez thanked God for the arrests and said that having suspects in custody is a relief.

"Thanks to God, thanks to God," Mariela Bernal said when she learned of the arrests. "What relief!" She is a Lawrenceville resident who volunteers with numerous Latino community organizations.

Since March, she said, she hasn't been sleeping well. Every time she heard a car passing by her home at night, she would wake up, wondering whether the criminals were coming to her house.

Bernal said that she will sleep easier now, knowing that the eight suspects, who range in age from 17 to 26, are behind bars. Everybody she knows, she said, was concerned about the invaders, so she couldn't wait to share the good news.

Police released the names and photographs of seven of the suspects Saturday and were still trying to confirm the identity of the eighth. The seven are identified as Gonzalo Ortega, 20, of Norcross; Mario Silverio, 26, of Lilburn; Jaime Carrera Carmago, 18, of Norcross; Cecilio Castro Delacruz, 25, of Lilburn; Paulino Gonzalez-Martinez, 21, of Norcross; Jose Martinez, 18, of Dunwoody; and Gustavo Cisnero, 17, of Norcross.

All the suspects have been charged with armed robbery except for Carmago, who was charged with weapons, drug and traffic offenses.

Ok, somehow I missed something.  Maybe I am dyslexic.  Anyhow, I totally failed to see the correlation that you made between latino male thugs and unchecked immigration.  I read the article that you posted several times and failed to see any evidence of that correlation.
    Oh well, maybe I do not assume enough.  All I see is that some latino males have been arrested for suspicion of crimes.  If proven guilty then they should be punished in accordance with the severity of their crimes.  Beyond that, I make no other assumptions.

Do you read what you write ?  IMHO often some of your responses to posts are not exactly on point - But your own post ?  This may fly with your own cohort, but I suggest that when you target a more general audience that you ... Oh, never mind I was going to say that you have someone proof-read it but I guess you don't have such access.

The age old dilemma of cheap labor has always posed a problem for wealthy advanced societies.What boils my blood is our politicians (both parties)have sold us out on this issue.The Democraps see a great market for welfare ,social programs as well as potential voters.The Republicrats(several excluded like Tom Tancredo colorado congressman and some alabama senators still loyal till their country)see them as great market for a cheap labor pool for small and large businesses ,cooperations.As well as possible new voters.Can you believe that in most large cities across the country if an illegal alien is arrested by local police they ARE NOT ALLOWED TO CONTACT INS/HOMELAND SECURITY???!!!!!!!!!!!!What insanity is this???Such a blatant attempt to undermine our laws.Their excuse,its not a LOCAL responsibility but a FEDERAL one.WRONG, ITS EVERY AMERICAN'S responsibility.Another old problem is millions of pregnant mexicans jump the border right when its time to pop out that baby.As soon as that baby pops out on american soil it's an American.NUTS.We are the only country in the world that allows such a foolish thing.An amendment needs to be added to ensure at least ONE parent of an american born baby is a US citizen to allow that baby citizenship.

The last paragragh is the reason why like these 8 mexican criminals along with millions of others continue to ravage this nation.Our goverment refuses to stop this influx.Putting the national guard on our borders would stop alot of it.I know as far as this forum is concerned ,I'm singing to the choir.States like California are already doomed with a white population of less than 50% and record deficits thanks to illegals and liberals.Can we save our country?The future looks dark.

http://www.house.gov/tancredo/Immigration/welcome.htm

http://www.house.gov/tancredo/

http://www.deportaliens.com/

http://ccir.net/products.html




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6 suspects in home invasions are illegal

By LATEEF MUNGIN
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Published on: 05/06/04


Six of the eight suspects arrested in connection with a recent spree of home-invasion robberies are illegal immigrants, authorities said.

Police said the eight suspects arrested Friday are part of an organized crew that stormed into at least seven homes in Gwinnett and one in Barrow County. The suspects are scheduled to appear at a Gwinnett pretrial hearing Friday.

But before they could appear in the court, the suspects were visited by an officer from U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement.

"It is my understanding that six of them are in the country without documents proving that they are U.S. citizens," said Sue Brown, spokeswoman for the immigration agency. "One of them is a U.S. citizen, and the other suspect's status is undetermined because he is a juvenile."

If found guilty, the suspects who are not in the country legally will serve their time and be deported, Brown said.

In a string of home invasions, police say, masked, armed bandits battered and shot male victims, sexually assaulted some female victims and pistol-whipped a child. They have stolen money, jewelry and vehicles.

Hispanics were the victims in all but one of the robberies.

The suspects have been identified as Gonzalo Ortega, 20, of Norcross; Mario Silverio, 26, of Lilburn; Jaime Carrera Carmago, 18, of Norcross; Cecilio Castro Delacruz, 25, of Lilburn; Paulino Gonzalez-Martinez, 21, of Norcross; Jose Martinez, 18, of Dunwoody; Gustavo Cisnero, 17, of Norcross; and Hugo Delfino, 16, of Doraville.

Ortega is the only suspect who is a U.S. citizen, Brown said. One of the suspects had been arrested previously in Gwinnett.

Delacruz was arrested once in 2002 and charged with carrying a concealed weapon and impeding the flow of traffic, according to Gwinnett Sheriff's Department reports. He also was arrested twice in 2003 and charged both times with entering an automobile with intent to commit a theft.

"Evidently his immigration status was not determined at that time," Brown said.

Some see this case as an example of why authorities need to crack down on illegal immigration.

"It's a shame that illegal immigrants can cause such a financial burden on the community and, by and large, the government is doing nothing to stem the tide," said Neil Klotzer, a Decatur resident who said he was concerned about the recent home-invasion spree.

Others say the home-invasion spree has raised additional issues.

Bill Roa, a Hispanic advocate of Colombian descent, said the crimes should be a wake-up call for Hispanics who are distrustful of banks and keep large amounts of cash at their homes.

"That practice just invites crime to your doorstep," Roa said. "But this crime had nothing to do with immigration. The vast majority of illegal immigrants come here from desperate situations.

"They just want to work. They are not here to commit crimes."

Reon't worry. This is yet another sad sad story of unchecked logic

Whats unchecked LLcar?? This is a a preview of the future of this country.
Why is it so bad that I long for this country to look as it did back in the 60's before our government was hijacked by special interests. Special interests who are only concerned about their bottom lines, social agendas and nothing for the well being of this once great nation.

Your previous post had no mention of illegal immigrants in it and as far as I know there were no Psyhcics replying to your post.

You trot out links which contain only information that support your viewpoint, not a counterpoised fact to be found in any of them.  In those links, even the consistency of supporting facts(?) is as rare as a martian that has a set of 38DD's.  You take one event of criminality and you weave millions into a fabric of criminal mayhem.  You make outlandish statements that a full, balanced investigation would reveal as bullshit.
    I have to admit, dealing with people like you is fun for a little while.  Actually, it is like dynamite fishing, if I ever would do such a thing.  It requires no skill, almost no preparation, and little to no imagination, but the yield is high.  But like dynamite fishing, dealing with a person of such obviously one sided perspective on a complicated problem becomes boring fast.

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your colleagues should have put in more effort at Gettysburg.  Well, your arguments are hard to dispute.  This spick is going to brush up on his breast stroke and head back asap.

As the mayor of Rock Ridge [blazing saddles] once said ``We'll take the niggers and chinks, but we don't want no Irish''.

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You make a good point.  Every single immigrant group that has set foot in this country post it's freedom from Britain has been reviled by those that were born with citizenship.
    You may want to try an butterfly stroke as you swim back across the Rio Grande.  Or maybe you want to do a mudstroke instead, because the river has been so dammed to supply arid, thristy states that there is little flow as it heads into Mexico.  Be sure to wear some skin protection, because there are dangerous pollutants in it also.
    As far as some of the boyz from Georgia are concerned, their asses are still red from the whipping that General Sherman put on them.  So they wrap themselves in confederate flags and hate anyone who does not look like them to make themselves feel better.

your colleagues should have put in more effort at Gettysburg.  Well, your arguments are hard to dispute.  This spick is going to brush up on his breast stroke and head back asap.

As the mayor of Rock Ridge [blazing saddles] once said ``We'll take the niggers and chinks, but we don't want no Irish''


Spic huh?? Your words nt mine. No wonder you've been at my throat everytime I try to stick up for my people.

I don't have a problem with mexicans as people. Most are in fact quite nice. Well maybe not most, just some.
I have a problem with my country being invaded though. I have a problem with being called a racist bigot for bringing it to light. I have a problem with the disrespect being shown to this nations earlier generations who fought for this country. How we let our countries immigration laws be ignored. How cheap labor indermines the middle class that i'm a part of. How wages are being depressed. How the last open spaces are being destroyed to house the new comers.
I guess discussing it, showing that you where proud of the people who made this country great, about how it was over 90% white until 1965, but now is rapidly changing, is wrong, is racist.

As far as some of the boyz from Georgia are concerned, their asses are still red from the whipping that General Sherman put on them.  So they wrap themselves in confederate flags and hate anyone who does not look like them to make themselves feel better.


Absolutely not true. I don't hate. I just think this country has been taken advantage of.
Lets discuss hate....How you hate the fact that I bring up a legitimate point. How you quickly label and insult. It is you that hates... I think i no why...

Your previous post had no mention of illegal immigrants in it and as far as I know there were no Psyhcics replying to your post


No it didn't. This is a follow up article where it states that the perps were illigal. just because the first article didn't mention they were illegal, doesn't make it any less valid does it? Perhaps at the time the journalist didn't know they were illigal.


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"You trot out links which contain only information that support your viewpoint, not a counterpoised fact to be found in any of them."


Whats wrong with that? Time and time again the american populace has spoken out with over 80% of the vote to stop entry and deny aid to illigal invaders. It's the small rabid 15-20% of the population like you who keep making it appear wrong to defend what this country used to look like.
Just because a small arrogant group of elites want the cheap labor and supposed voting bolck, and another group of elite social engineers want to ruin this great country by undermining the white middle class with 3rd worlders, doesn't mean that myself and countless other proud americans have to put up with it. Have to remain silent about it.


"You take one event of criminality and you weave millions into a fabric of criminal mayhem You make outlandish statements that a full, balanced investigation would reveal as bullshit."

And the millions all entered this country by way of a criminal act.
Go ahead, make a balanced investigation. The FBI stats will blow you out of the water. I have already presented them to you and others on the San Diego board or on the general board. A huge majority of crime in this country is commited by non whites. You cannot spin this fact.



"I have to admit, dealing with people like you is fun for a little while.  Actually, it is like dynamite fishing, if I ever would do such a thing.  It requires no skill, almost no preparation, and little to no imagination, but the yield is high But like dynamite fishing, dealing with a person of such obviously one sided perspective on a complicated problem becomes boring fast


One sided perspective is all you drivel out. Actually, I wouldn't call it perspective from you. Just insults and closed mindedness. People like me huh? Go ahead and throw out some stats and ideas. I will refute them all. Show some of your skills.

You have nothing of substance, only soft back handed insults.
You see, we havn't dealt yet. You and others never offer up anything besides insults to me. You can't offer anything because you have no valid points. Nothing that can stand alone in the free marketplace of ideas. Thats why your type always has to insult, censor and shout down. Your afraid of my message!!

I have truth, fairness and righteousness on my side. I would love a debate. Perhaps we can find a common ground to move on with. Or, perhaps you have nothing of substance.

I read your posts and see nothing but close mindedness, how can you call another closed minded.  I am busy and do not have the time to go to leftwing or rightwing extreme sites to pour over slanted information.  But, I am never too busy to recognize illogical, twisted thought when I see it.

of a mirror because you may be seeing only your own hatred.  I can go on until I am blue in the face explaining how many friends I have from all racial groups but why should I waste my time detailing information like that to you.
    The fact of the matter is, hate is alien to me.  The simple reason is that I define hate as a feeling that is so strong and powerful that the hater would have to kill the object of their hate to get relief.  I have no intention of killing you, so I cannot hate you or anyone else who I disagree with.  Plus, other than knowing that you post stuff that to me, is strange, lopsided and illogical, I do not know you at all. So how can I hate you?

A lot of racial groups have contributed to making this country great.  How can you explain away the Japanese soldiers who fought in WWII when their folks at home were in interment camps?  How can you explain away the Chinese immigrants who built railroads linking east to west and whose ancestors have been key contributors to the nation's success.
    By the way, please answer the following question.  Please describe "your" people?

The information that some of the criminals were also illegal aliens was not in the first article, simple as that. You posted some other news article, simple as that.  Get it???

You wonder why you are questioned about illegal immigrants when you post an article that mentions absolutely nothing about them. And you respond with indignation and an article that is ALL about illegals.

Think about this.

You walk into a store and the store owner has a sale price over the APPLES for 10 lbs for $1.
You bring the 10 lbs to the register and get charged $15. You ask why and the store owner very rudely tells you the sale was for MANGOS.

Get it?

like to point out that I have not been at your throat- That is entirely too close to your asshole for my taste.

Now, I will return to reminiscing about the good times I've had with so many lovely white women in my past.  You see I also love your people.  

Amerika has bean berry berry goood to mee.

I'm from Georgia. One of my business partners is black. And your post about "boyz from Georgia" is ignorant and stupid.

RLTW

Well poopdeck, my posts are moderated. I wanted to put the article that mentioned the illegals as an immediately after. However, there is a delay getting the original post on the board.



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I read your posts and see nothing but close mindedness, how can you call another closed minded.  I am busy and do not have the time to go to leftwing or rightwing extreme sites to pour over slanted information.  But, I am never too busy to recognize illogical, twisted thought when I see it.



Yawn,,,I wrote this earlier;

I don't have a problem with mexicans as people. Most are in fact quite nice. Well maybe not most, just some.
I have a problem with my country being invaded though. I have a problem with being called a racist bigot for bringing it to light. I have a problem with the disrespect being shown to this nations earlier generations who fought for this country. How we let our countries immigration laws be ignored. How cheap labor indermines the middle class that i'm a part of. How wages are being depressed. How the last open spaces are being destroyed to house the new comers.
I guess discussing it, showing that you where proud of the people who made this country great, about how it was over 90% white until 1965, but now is rapidly changing, is wrong, is racist.

Now why can't you tell me how it is good for this country. Try to make me understand. I have an open mind. I WANT to understand. Instead you just bring secondary insults like spelling errors and other mean spirited comments. I could type up my responses on word so there will be fewer errors. I still think you won't respond to the primary message though.

So, please, enlighten me as to why 5 million illegal invaders yearlyis a good thing. Please no insults, just serious discussion.

Now, I will return to reminiscing about the good times I've had with so many lovely white women in my past.  You see I also love your people.  

Amerika has bean berry berry goood to mee.



See, you have nothing. Nothing at all. You think your little insults bother me.  Big deal. I am trying to have a serious discussion. I posted a heartfelt comment that you can not counter at all. So, instead you come back with your childless BS.
It's OK though. Others are reading this thread also. They are seeing me try and have dialog with you. they also see you running from any real progress, only hurling insults.

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The information that some of the criminals were also illegal aliens was not in the first article, simple as that. You posted some other news article, simple as that.  Get it???

 


I knew when I posted the first article that the perps were illegals. I also had the 2nd article ready to go. I am modified so I had to wait for the moderator to post the first article. But, who really cares. Lets get to the meat and potatoes, the content of the articles.

We have millions of people in this country who committed an illegal act just to get here. Then, some, continue to live a life of crime while there here. Others are committed to work hard, make something of themselves while there here. that is a good trait. However, the illlegals who are not committing anymore crimes are still undermining the middle class. depressing wages. This isnt good for the longterm effects of this country. yes some are making a fortune exploiting the cheap labor. Shame on them. The cheap labor, although trying to be good folks, are financially strangling the native people who founded this country.

I could go on and on, but, I want to take small steps so that we can cover each issue individually. Hopefully we can have a serious discussion without insults. Without comments like "get it" that serve no purpose except to attempt to inflame.

just what is it that we are supposed to talk about.  You've made your views quite clear.  If I'm not mistaken you'de like as many non-whites as possible to leave your country so that it can be 90% white.  

I also understand that you don't want any stupid people in your country - I can understand that.  However, the resulting 10% of the non-stupid minority populace just might start taking over again - That is, even assuming that the remaining white 90% are also non-stupid (I don't think that is possible though).

So, lets say that after the next round you decide that your country should be 100% white.  Well, then you will be quite a small country (being made up of only non-stupid whites) susceptible to skin cancer and invasion.

But, I'm sure this is a very bleek picture of your eutopia.  Please, tell me just how you would go about implementing your new world.

OK, I tried. I wanted you to try and convince me why this massive Mexican immigration is good for America, Thats all. I am not calling people stupid. You are just avoiding answering the question.
The mexicans (stupid people as your referring them) will take over because of their high volume breeding rates.