back away from that bloody mary, please!! Isn't it kind of early to be going on a binge?
This post truly failed the logic test. Even for you? Please, while we often disagree, I know you are better than this and should be able to realize when you are not making any sense. Now please, pick yourself up off the floor. Dump that bottle of vodka down the sink, and brew the blackest (no racial pun intended) pot of coffee you can. I'll even send you some nice, expensive, Colombian coffee if need be. But please at least try to make some sense!In Durham, NC a crowed pulled down a confederate statue in front of a court house. Love it. Hope the same thing is done to all those remaining in the rest of the country. It is a symbol of slavery, racism, bigotry and white supremacy.
Ship all of them to Margo Del A Mar for the white supremacist to have them installed in his golf course.
I really wanted it that way instead of calling his real get away place for cheating and conducting private business:
MAR A LAGO.
Nearly 700,000 thousand Americans died in the civil war. More than half we're confederate. Monuments were constructed for both sides honoring those who fought and died. What a disgrace tearing down a monument that stood for decades.
You can that monument that was uprooted in Durham, NC to your home and worship. For the rest of us, it is good riddance, a symbol of KKK, racism, slavery, bigotry and as the Clown said yesterday represents "criminals, thugs and racists'.
You keep writing.
...The REAL problem is that these monuments to the confederate cause represent a racist mindset that has allowed hate filled prejudice to continue in America, the people that worship these idols don't deserve the respect of other Americans.
deflections! Very weak diversion. These racists simply hide behind empty rhetoric so their bigotry is not the focus of their many hate symbols, when it SHOULD be!
It does not take a "rocket scientist" to know the hateful spirit and suppressive intent of those "confederate" symbols and what the "confederacy" itself stood for. To honor it is just as bigoted. That is like building Nazi monuments to honor all the poor dead German soldiers who executed countless innocent Jewish men, women, and children.
It offends liberals. Liberals can no longer feel offended about anything at anytime. It is why they riot and force right wingers to cancel speeches on campuses. It's why they invented "safe spaces."
If we take the monuments down, the hate will go with them. Don't you understand that? We can just erase them from our history so no one will know about our past.
It will be fun watching them turn on the Washington Monument one day and yank it down. Independence Hall will have to be razed, right? Racists ran all over that place a few centuries ago.
Jefferson Memorial? Gone.
And the "White" House? WHITE??? What an outrage! Come on.
Bulldozer time...
back away from that bloody mary, please!! Isn't it kind of early to be going on a binge?
This post truly failed the logic test. Even for you? Please, while we often disagree, I know you are better than this and should be able to realize when you are not making any sense.
Now please, pick yourself up off the floor. Dump that bottle of vodka down the sink, and brew the blackest (no racial pun intended) pot of coffee you can. I'll even send you some nice, expensive, Colombian coffee if need be. But please at least try to make some sense!
...No Jack it is you who it seams cannot even comprehend the point, while it is true that removing these monuments to racism & slavery will not end those ideas by a small but vocal segment of our society the fact that the monuments are on public property suggests that we as Americans support prejudicial ideas that these monuments stand for, and certainly we don't. If the supporters of the ideas of monuments wish they may build them on their own private property.
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Should it come down? Why or why not?
...well Jack George Washington lived & died more than 100 years before people in America realized that slavery was wrong, & Washington along with the other signers of the declaration of independence was instrumental in the birth of our nation. Can you name any positive contributions to America by general Robert E Lee or any of the confederate generals that have been memorialized by any of these statues ? Of course you can't & certainly you already know the fact of every thing stated in this post, so what was the purpose of your post trying to drag George Washington into this discussion other than diversion ?
It might have taken you white people another hundred years to figure it out, but I think the slaves themselves knew slavery was wrong a long time before Washington or Jefferson.
Keep in mind if the rebels in the late 18 century had lost like the rebels in the 19th century did, I doubt our British history books would have any thing positive to say about either Washington or Jefferson. Robert E Lee is not a hero because he lost, if the South had won Lee would have been every bit as big a hero as Washington. One of the benefits or winning wars is the right to write history the way YOUR side wants the story remembered. It doesn't change the actual events of course.
The fact remains, if we are going to go back in time and try to "cleanse" history, where does it end? Let's suppose Black people were the present day majority, who's to say they wouldn't want to remove any and all slave owners as "heroes" in a black dominated society?
MANY Americans who signed the Declaration and approved the Constitution KNEW slavery was wrong. Here's part of an article from ushistory.org:
"To modern eyes, the most stunning and disturbing constitutional compromise by the delegates was over the issue of slavery. Some delegates considered slavery an evil institution and GEORGE MASON of Virginia even suggested that the trans-Atlantic slave trade be made illegal by the new national rules. Delegates from South Carolina and Georgia where slavery was expanding rapidly in the late-18th century angrily opposed this limitation. If any limitations to slavery were proposed in the national framework, then they would leave the convention and oppose its proposed new plan for a stronger central government. Their fierce opposition allowed no room for compromise and as a result the issue of slavery was treated as a narrowly political, rather than a moral, question.
The delegates agreed that a strengthened union of the states was more important than the Revolutionary ideal of equality. This was a pragmatic, as well as a tragic, constitutional compromise, since it may have been possible (as suggested by George Mason's comments) for the slave state of Virginia to accept some limitations on slavery at this point.
Slave trade
The slave trade was always a controversial issue in the history of the United States.
The proposed constitution actually strengthened the power of slave states in several important respects. Through the "FUGITIVE CLAUSE," for example, governments of free states were required to help recapture runaway slaves who had escaped their masters' states. Equally disturbing was the "THREE-FIFTHS FORMULA" established for determining representation in the lower house of the legislature. Slave states wanted to have additional political power based on the number of human beings that they held as slaves. Delegates from free states wouldn't allow such a blatant manipulation of political principles, but the inhumane compromise that resulted meant counting enslaved persons as three-fifths of a free person for the sake of calculating the number of people a state could elect to the House of Representatives."
As to the positive contributions of generals who later fought for the Confederacy, Lee, Jackson, Longstreet and most of them fought for the US in the Mexican War. Lee also led the US forces who captured John Brown at Harpers Ferry. I am NOT saying this is more important than their service to the Confederacy or that their statues should not come down. I am simply pointing out that your blanket statement (like most blanket statements) is factually incorrect.
I think it's a tribute to the United States that these statues were ever allowed to be erected in the first place. How often are the vanquished parties allowed to erect statues of their heroes?
The question comes down to whether or not you really believe in the first amendment. It's easy to defend popular speech, but If we are going to shout down Neo Nazis, or communists, or Republicans without allowing them the first amendment rights we all are supposed to hold so dear, what's next. Under a Sanders/Warren administration are "moderate" Democrats the next ones to be shouted down and unable to voice their opinions?
Like it or not, the White Nationalist filed for the appropriate permits and had every right to hold their rally. Without the organized and violent push back from the left wing agitators, no one would have been hurt and Monday morning most of us would be laughing about how stupid the Neo Nazis were and we'd be talking about much more important things, which once again are being set aside to deal with foolishness.
So this issue is not going away with the current garbage in the White House.
He endorses hate like many of his supporters.
You and the others on here with your comments are examples of that too.
Then you try and cover it up with blaming both sides.
Just like the guy you voted for and supporting Trump.
This goes beyond expressing a person opinions but spreading hate and violence.
It's really not that hard for most people in this country to understand that unlike you.
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Francis Scott Key owned slaves....draw your own conclusion about what we should do.................
the star spangled banner because Francis Scott Key owned slaves to appease sensitive liberals? The answer is NO. Just like we should not drop confederate flags and monuments. Whether you like it or not, it's part of OUR history.
It ain't going to happen. We have all these racist confederate statues around the country to be pulled down first. Now thanks to Durham, NC the toppling will accelerate.
Right wingers have nothing for speeches except hate and bigotry. Ban them from all school campuses.
Washington owned slaves, Washington stole land from Native Americans.
Soon after Washington's memory is erased from our history books, Lincoln monument will come down next.
After all is said and done if Lincoln was a man of grit and justice and he truly wanted to free slaves he would have abolished slavery before the Civil war not waiting until abolishing slavery was a military option.
Civil war started Apr 12, 1861 the Emancipation Proclamation was initially read on September 22 not enforceable until January 1, 1863, exceptions as noted in #5 below.
1. Lincoln wasn't an abolitionist
2.Lincoln didn’t believe blacks should have the same rights as whites.
3. Lincoln joined the military because he despised American Natives and hoped to kill many.
4.Lincoln would have sent Black people to Liberia if it was entirely up to him.
5. The Emancipation Proclamation didn't apply to Delaware, Kentucky Maryland and Missouri.
6. Lincoln encouraged 200,000 Black people to fight and die for the Union while he allowed rich crackers to avoid military service by paying $ 300.00 for a get out of the Union military card
In Lincoln's defense he was a Republican.
According to main street news all Republican Presidents are scoundrels.
If you doubt what I say, ask any left wing lunatic to name ONE decent Republican president in the last 200 hundred years. 
It offends liberals. Liberals can no longer feel offended about anything at anytime. It is why they riot and force right wingers to cancel speeches on campuses. It's why they invented "safe spaces."
If we take the monuments down, the hate will go with them. Don't you understand that? We can just erase them from our history so no one will know about our past.
It will be fun watching them turn on the Washington Monument one day and yank it down. Independence Hall will have to be razed, right? Racists ran all over that place a few centuries ago.
Jefferson Memorial? Gone.
And the "White" House? WHITE??? What an outrage! Come on.
Bulldozer time...
The graves of all Confederate soldiers should be bulldozed with the remains and tombstones burned, pulverized and destroyed. After all, each grave is an individual monument to that vile and racist soldier. There should be no cemeteries for any Confederate soldiers.
This is what happens listening to lies and being brainwashed by Trump.
Most of his supporters do not care about Trump racist words or actions!
"....the land of the free and the home of the brave" written by Francis Scott key, a slaveholder. But since it was the "prevailing social order" it was ok? Then I guess all Americans are forgiven for slavery?
...Talk about creating FAKE NEWS quad is the undisputed king, quad if you want to divert attention from the thread subject at least provide some documentation other than your own prejudiced words.
...in Germany to honor the 4.3 million German soldiers who fought and died in WWII. What a disgrace, right?
trying to figure out which side you're on?
I want them to start with your house first!
When a community votes to erect a monument to the Confederacy, I believe that's their right, just as it is when they vote to remove the same. There's a big difference between what happen in New Orleans and Charlottesville vs. Durham. What happened in Durham is destruction of public property, and those having done so should be prosecuted, and if they truly believe in the righteousness in what they did, they should accept the punishment. I would hope, that communities would rid themselves of monuments to traitors to their country, but that's not my call, it's theirs.
If statues and flags are a cause for concern, then history books and plantations must be burned as well.