For those who have forgotten, or don't understand the why of Obamacare, just read some of these personal stories.

I hate anecdotal stories that try to sum up a complex subject by talking to a half dozen people.  So I'll wait for the CBO scoring on TrumpCare/RyanCare.  Since this bill is worse than the earlier one scored by the CBO no doubt the number of people losing their health care will be additional millions.
Those people, many of them Trump voters, will be howling for revenge at the ballot box.

do you really think these rich fat cats care about who lives and who dies??

It tends to show the actual effect of a law, policy or any common experience upon actual humans.  Of course you are not going to get a huge sampling in a 3 minute video or ten paragraph news story, but there are people out there in agencies, advocacy groups and providers that see it day in and day out.  They see people almost every day struggling with deciding between getting a life saving procedure or feeding their kids.  This includes the AMA, AHA, advocacy groups like AARP (which is non-partisan btw - it members include both parties)   They are all against it based on that anecdotal evidence.  

I wish I could share it re the Senate coming up with anything that will "strikingly resemble Obamacare." Do you know Mitch McConnell personally?  Like, well enough to tell him he looks like Yurtle?
As for anecdotes, I'll pass.

In college, I took one of those filler classes. It was on film and TV, and the societal impact, if any.  It was a group project, and someone in our group picked an old 1950s TV show called "Queen for a Day". Show had mostly female contestants, usually married with children. Each woman had a more horrific story than the last. just like Matt's article. Polio, bankruptcy, you name it they had it. The show used an applause meter to determine whose heart wrenching story was more deserving of a new washer and dryer, or some stupid prize. It was depressing and funny to watch at the same time.

Florida's budget makes drastic cuts to Medicaid funding.    If Republicans health whatever it is called becomes law, there will be more cuts or really end to Medicaid funding.     There are an estimated 73,000 poor in Florida nursing homes who depend 100% on Medicaid.      Many of these have Alzheimer's.      Wonder what will happen to these people.

I would not be surprised to see other states (like NY) follow suit.  If anything like the current Republican plan is made law, millions of people will lose their heath care, many of them in Red states.  This could cause them to move to where the state health care is, i.e. Blue States, which is where most of the jobs are anyway.  Those states then have more people employed and a bigger tax base.  And, because population is the basis for House seats, the political influence of Red states wanes and that of the Blue states grows.
This will take a while but it could happen.  It should have started years ago because those Red states are not getting their jobs back and are the biggest sponges off the Federal government -- and the Blue states that send more money to the Feds than they get back.

It voted for Obama in 2008 and only went narrowly for Romney in 2012 and narrowly again for Trump last year.  There are a lot of people who've moved there from the north and midwest.  And, yes, there are also some hillbillies.  But it's better than many states.

That's an absurd allegation. Never happened. And since you now despise FL as much as the rest of the country, remind me why you're still here?

You are one of the ignorant dicks who challenge facts on this board!   You want proof of "granny dumping" in this country, you got it.    Now go to a nearest toilet, put your meathead down and flush it.    That will do you good.

FL's budget is a record $83B this year. Why don't you look up how much spending on social services has gone up say the last decade. THAT is what I was referring to. Instead you post a NYT editorial about one older man being left at a dog track. Does that happen? Yup. Have "drastic" cuts been made to social services in FL? Why not look at the facts not some partisan editorial from "the failing NYT?"  

Obamacare was doomed from the start. This next volley fired in 2017 is dramatically flawed as well, just in different directions. Too bad neither side can put down the politics long enough to actually address the real problem which is health care delivery costs instead of focusing almost entirely on the health care payment system. More competition in the delivery system is what we need. We need more doctors and nurses, as much as twice as many. We also need transparency, competition, innovation and reduced/revised regulation in the pricing of delivered services. Single payer is not a panacea. The best systems in Europe are not single payer.  

I live there.  We could do it because we are the sixth largest economy in the world.  But if we do, I don't want to pay Federal taxes at all.  We are taxed enough here and can run our own business without morons like Trump coming in here to try and pick our pockets more then we can pick his.  At least Obama was share and share alike about it.

Read what I was writing about, go and I say it again to you dumb dick, put your shithead in a toilet bowl and flush!   Again it was about Medicaid cuts in FL.   Shithead!

...We will always have major problems with our healthcare as long as as private industry is involved, your health & mine should not be a source of profit for corporations. Most of the major problems from The American Healthcare act were created by trying to make a hybrid system with government rules & private corporate profits, we know from the experience of the last few years that won't work, so why waste all this time & effort to come up with a system that only addresses cutting expenses that squeezes out services like Medicaid for the lower wage earners. The 20% profits that the corporate healthcare & insurance industries demand are a major obstacle to getting healthcare costs down let's get rid of them & see our health improve.

Maybe your post is misplaced? I was talking about the healthcare delivery system which is still mostly private yet highly regulated. You are talking about the healthcare payment system which is already very socialistic (Medicaid and Medicare) while the remaining "private" portions to which you have limited your comments is also over regulated and almost nothing but an oligopoly. Socializing the payment oligarchy as you suggest is an overly simplistic, very partial solution and as I stated, the best  European systems do not agree with you. They do agree with me though.

...Or we could get government out of the picture all together, get that free market competition going & then see how many grannies & people with chronic illness get shoved over the cliff, it's this simple the health of this nation can not be entrusted to people that want to make profit from it. As long we allow government to attempt to make a business/ industrial government hybrid the industry lobbyists will dictate our health. Our healthcare demonstrates a unique situation & I would not propose this kind of publicly controlled model for any other segment of our free enterprise system, but right now ya got ta ask yourself  HOW'S IT WORKIN?

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FL opted out of the ACA? Could that be the reason all you peanut head liberals are so outraged? How's the ACA working out in IA, TN, VA, AZ etc? You'd rather have everyone on Medicaid? When you start paying taxes you can bitch.  

...Of course the problem of poor dietary decisions are key to our health but we must have a healthcare system that can help get our fat asses out of this bind!

This guy is always barking like a street dog with his ass attached to another.     I have told the shithead so many times to go and put his shithead in a toilet bowl and flush.

Health care cannot be a profit making industry.     People need medical care and RX, no questions asked.   Just make it affordable.

What makes you think I was talking to you? And it is hard to understand you with balls in your mouth. Do you always have to be so stupid?

I don't want to pay Federal Income Tax either, for that matter I don't want to pay SS or the Obama Care Mandate to boot as I will never collect a dime from SS nor have I collected a single penny in health care benefits EVER, not a single fucking cent in my entire life.  

...A method or.... just dreaming?......If all the food manufacturers & suppliers would agree to remove just 10% of the sweeteners & added salt from their products, for most products nobody could even tell & if in one more year they removed another 10% the same. It's taken generations for us to fall into these addictive eating habits that food manufactures have supported & healthy eating will take time to show results but in order to maintain a more successful healthcare system let's try giving it a little less work to do.

I don't need these processed food purveyors to do anything differently. I simply don't buy processed food with very few exceptions. I will admit to buying dry pasta, canned tomatoes, and various different sausages and deli meats, but if you were to look in my pantry you wouldn't find a single "box" of food. No canned vegetables (except for tomatoes) no frozen crap that you "cook" by throwing it into the microwave. I'll buy a six pack of soda and it will last me for months. If a drunk like me can eat right, Anyone can.

Our present version of capitalism has regulations in all sectors. I never proposed (and no one proposed) getting rid of all regulation. But getting rid of ALL free enterprise in healthcare IS being proposed.  

Giving free healthcare to everyone will fix that, right? Of course not and I know you don't believe it will, but healthcare run totally by government IS on the table from the LEFT. Free enterprise has a long history of utilizing an individual's self interest to regulate the cost of goods and services. Right now there is almost ZERO free enterprise. It was given lip service when the $20 copay and deductibles were introduced but they do nothing for competition. People will drive an extra 5 miles to visit a different grocery store just because they are having a sale on milk or hamburger but there is ZERO such dynamic available today in healthcare. If you're "not sure" what I say about the delivery system then study it more. The opening salvo from House Republicans, attempts to more properly assign costs according to those groups that actually create the demand (e.g. more elderly). The most popular healthcare systems in Europe still use private insurance and private delivery systems. There are many other reasons regarding Europe but this idea that single payer is the only solution for US stems from nothing but propaganda.

I CLEARLY stated that YOU do NOT believe it. Others do but not you. I could not be more clear about this. The only problem is you didn't or can't read it.

you have no desire to actually discuss something and you only flap your gums to make yourself feel good.

Are you sure you shouldn't inject what Lincoln thought? Only the Left wants a terrible version of it now and these older "universal" proposals are non-sequitur given the mess the delivery system is in now, which has been my point throughout all of my posts; and the point you are incapable of comprehending.

for example, the State of Iowa will soon have no carriers willing to be included in the O-care program. And you want to debate the value of a program dying,, or dead ?? typical snowflake rhetoric.

You really are clueless.

You lump ALL righties together, and when one of them says something you think is hypocritical, then that's your cue and self authorization to ignore anything and everything that your bigoted mind hears from anyone you deem a rightie. Maybe you don't realize that your idea for people pay into the system in proportion to their risk is a "rightie" idea that is presently on the table as outlined in the first salvo from the House plan.

Is healthcare a right or a privilege?

Why is Ryan'TrumpCare a good fucking idea??!!?? I'll admit, I don't fucking get it!