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Not exactly a good argument for women to serve in combat units on the front line .EOM
Timbow 1015 reads
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Posted By: ExAngel
1 in 3 female soldiers will be raped by her brother in arms.  Women died, DIED of dehyrdration, rather than risk leaving the safety of their tents to use the latrines at night in Iraq.  Intelligent women would stop drinking fluids at 3pm in the arrid desert afternoons to avoid having to use the bathroom and be raped.  It is called MST, military sexual trauma and it is real and it is here and it is your military's dirty little secret.  http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1968110,00.html

Hirogen6771 reads

That includes submarines. I wonder how much it will cost for new toilets and powder rooms.  

The Military Leadership Diversity Commission is apparently making this proposal which will of course have the blessing of Obama as he continues his breakdown of our military.

This is sheer stupidity. It will be interesting to hear an opinion from the NOW, or will they keep their lipsticks shut?

More men will be without physically competent back up in close quarter fighting.

Will there be an outcry if more women are being brought home in body bags? That is assured.

Related Link: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/01/14/women-allowed-combat-unis-report-says/?test=...

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benlanger2977 reads

Interesting.   It is only a matter of time before first cases come up of sexual harassment, rape and forced sex in bunkers.

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ExAngel1786 reads

1 in 3 female soldiers will be raped by her brother in arms.  Women died, DIED of dehyrdration, rather than risk leaving the safety of their tents to use the latrines at night in Iraq.  Intelligent women would stop drinking fluids at 3pm in the arrid desert afternoons to avoid having to use the bathroom and be raped.  It is called MST, military sexual trauma and it is real and it is here and it is your military's dirty little secret.  http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1968110,00.html

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Posted By: ExAngel
1 in 3 female soldiers will be raped by her brother in arms.  Women died, DIED of dehyrdration, rather than risk leaving the safety of their tents to use the latrines at night in Iraq.  Intelligent women would stop drinking fluids at 3pm in the arrid desert afternoons to avoid having to use the bathroom and be raped.  It is called MST, military sexual trauma and it is real and it is here and it is your military's dirty little secret.  http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1968110,00.html

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ExAngel1343 reads

Point being, if they're raping the cooks, the nurses, the supply drivers, what's the damn difference?  Perhaps seeing them in combat roles will garner the respect that seeing them in a uniform does not.  It's different when you're fighting alongside someone.  You would never rape your battle buddy.

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Posted By: ExAngel
Point being, if they're raping the cooks, the nurses, the supply drivers, what's the damn difference?  Perhaps seeing them in combat roles will garner the respect that seeing them in a uniform does not.  It's different when you're fighting alongside someone.  You would never rape your battle buddy.

  I can speculate anything to support a position but it doesn't follow that my speculation will come true. :)
Your statement is a good example of speculation and it is not  a good argument to support women being in combat units with men . Bet I made you look again . I am done with this nonsense :)


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Makwa980 reads

Women are in combat.  They are coming home in body bags.  They are going on patrol to help when dealing with women they may encounter.  Women just can't have a "combat arms MOS", but they are in combat.

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Hirogen2369 reads

The huge disproportionate numbers will close. Women are still in more of a support role then a combat role. You just made the point about women patrols to deal with the native women.
One can say that when any troop lands on soil in Iraq or Afghanistan is automatically in "combat".

I don't want to lessen the respect for our female troops. They have their respective duties and orders.
They are not ordered into what is considered hand to hand and close quarter combat as a general rule. That is my point. That will have to change in the name of equality, not common sense.

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ExAngel1546 reads

Thank you, Makwa.

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SinsOfTheFlesh1411 reads

There is no reason why a woman can't serve in combat if she possesses the necessary physical and mental training to fight beside any man.

When I was in the Navy, I was in a rag outfit (in other words a training squadron, nicknamed because of the preponderance of women assigned to training outfits). There was no job I was asked to do that my gender made impossible. Being only 5'1", some jobs did present a challenge, but regardless of what needed to be done, I never had a problem finding a way to get it done.

My sister is a Master Jumpmaster in the Army, she's only 5'4" and it took her two tries to make it through JM school because her stature made inspections difficult. Kind of hard to check on the straps of a soldier who is 6' from her height. But she did it.

I have long felt that the physical fitness standards for women should be adjusted to more closely match the standards set for men. I used to max out my PT tests, and even though I received 100% scores, I still only just barely met the minimum standards for men in the same age bracket. Any woman who barely meets the min standards for females would miss the standards set for males by a mile. That is a woman who is not safe in combat. But any woman who is physically fit enough to withstand the rigors of combat, and has a desire to serve in a combat rating should be allowed to.

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Hirogen3155 reads

Very very few women would mean the minimum standards set for men. Some men don't even pass. Lets face it. If the military has to they will lower the standards just to get some women in combat roles. That would be a travesty and cost more lives. All that in the name of "equality".

I am sure your take about women serving on a submarine will differ from mine. Then it is not a physical issue or a safety issue. It then becomes a discipline matter if not impractical.

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charlie4451765 reads

women in particular. Women are equal to men in almost all aspects of combat.

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Hirogen1652 reads

Even SOTF didn't take my post that way, and I didn't write the article.
READ my posts in their entirety, but don't say they are equal in combat when they are NOT.

I have the utmost respect for any woman serving in our armed forces, but facts are facts asshole.

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charlie445990 reads

Your post reeks of bigotry. I call posts the way that I see them. I have female members of my family currently serving in the military. You do all women a disservice.

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quadseasonal1258 reads

Most women are stronger than men, if Charlie and Priapus are  test examples.
  You are misunderstanding charlie.
 His communist idealogy is clouding his view,while crying  bigotry,  where it isn't due.
His mind is stuck on picking rice.
No doubt, women should have equal rights in everything, as long as entry tests are the same.
Firefighters and Combat are two examples, unless they pass the same PHYSICAL test, required of the man.  
Anything else will only cause unnecessary deaths, including children dying, when she can't move the water hose on her own.

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Hirogen1886 reads

Thanks Quad. That was my exact point.

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Timbow2096 reads

Posted By: quadseasonal
  Most women are stronger than men, if Charlie and Priapus are  test examples.
  You are misunderstanding charlie.
 His communist idealogy is clouding his view,while crying  bigotry,  where it isn't due.
His mind is stuck on picking rice.
No doubt, women should have equal rights in everything, as long as entry tests are the same.
Firefighters and Combat are two examples, unless they pass the same PHYSICAL test, required of the man.  
Anything else will only cause unnecessary deaths, including children dying, when she can't move the water hose on her own.

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charlie4451496 reads

why captured women be treated any differently than captured men?

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Timbow1264 reads

Posted By: charlie445
why captured women be treated any differently than captured men?



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charlie4451393 reads

Rape is an act of violence against any human being.

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Timbow1511 reads

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Soon after the establishment of the IDF and, within it, the Chen (acronym for cheil nashim and meaning "grace" in Hebrew), the removal of all women from front-line positions was decreed. Decisive for this decision was the very real possibility of falling into enemy hands as prisoners of war. It was fair and equitable, it was argued, to demand from women equal sacrifice and risk; but the risk for women prisoners of rape and sexual molestation was infinitely greater than the same risk for men.

Ever since, women, though trained in the use of weapons and prepared for front-line duties, have not been allowed in front-line units.

http://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/Facts%20About%20Israel/State/The%20Israel%20Defense%20Forces

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charlie4451345 reads

Is there something that I am missing here?

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Timbow1471 reads

Posted By: charlie445
Is there something that I am missing here?
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charlie4451097 reads

Your point was not well articulated Tim.

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Timbow2573 reads

Posted By: charlie445
Your point was not well articulated Tim.
I don't know how much clearer  could  have  been :)
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Soon after the establishment of the IDF and, within it, the Chen (acronym for cheil nashim and meaning "grace" in Hebrew), the removal of all women from front-line positions was decreed. Decisive for this decision was the very real possibility of falling into enemy hands as prisoners of war. It was fair and equitable, it was argued, to demand from women equal sacrifice and risk; but the risk for women prisoners of rape and sexual molestation was infinitely greater than the same risk for men.

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ExAngel1084 reads

They do.  Many of the tribes still carry out tradition that says all boys are sexless until puberty.  They rape them, too.  Culturally, rape is a whole different animal to them.  So yes, they will rape a male soldier just as readily as they will a female.

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Timbow1140 reads

Posted By: ExAngel
They do.  Many of the tribes still carry out tradition that says all boys are sexless until puberty.  They rape them, too.  Culturally, rape is a whole different animal to them.  So yes, they will rape a male soldier just as readily as they will a female.
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ExAngel1111 reads

Well, if one DOES fuck a goat, they have to pay a "bridal price" to the goat's owner, if they are caught.  To be frank, I think everyone's raping everyTHING over there.

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ExAngel1433 reads

Rape is rape is rape to some cultures.  They don't discrimate between male or female.

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charlie4451279 reads

All combat jobs dont require physical strength in fact very few do. There are women who can meet the strength requirements for combat and for firefighting and they should be allowed to perform those jobs.

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Ever since, women, though trained in the use of weapons and prepared for front-line duties, have not been allowed in front-line units. Following a Supreme Court Decision in 1994, women are now admitted to training as Air Force pilots or navigators.

http://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/Facts%20About%20Israel/State/The%20Israel%20Defense%20Forces


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ExAngel1184 reads

There are no front lines over there anymore.  They shift and ebb just like the sand dunes.  Don't tell me women aren't on the front lines and are not fighting alongside the men.  Maybe some of them see and do things that fuck them up that they end up on sites like this.

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Posted By: ExAngel
There are no front lines over there anymore.  They shift and ebb just like the sand dunes.  Don't tell me women aren't on the front lines and are not fighting alongside the men.  Maybe some of them see and do things that fuck them up that they end up on sites like this.

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ExAngel1826 reads

You don't know me and I'm certain you've never served.

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Timbow1243 reads

Posted By: ExAngel
You don't know me and I'm certain you've never served.
With your intelligence you should serve paper and plastic :) USAA ,made you look again :)

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charlie4452020 reads

How is it possible to serve on a Navy warship and not be in a combat position? Women do serve on warships! There are women F 18 pilots.

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ExAngel1739 reads

Thank you.

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digem-all1798 reads

EOM

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ExAngel1222 reads

Woman serve in combat every day.  If they are hurt in combat, they dutifully stand in line at the VA when they get home waiting their turn for services.  Unfortunately, because technically woman cannot be in combat, when services are provided, female soldiers who have seen combat at shuttled to the end of the line behind wounded warriors and retirees.  I have been amazed that civilians do not realize their wives, daughters, mothers, sisters, aunts, and friends have seen combat.

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