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RLTW 2966 reads
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WE CANNOT SURRENDER
States which shelter these killers will know no peace.
By Christopher Hitchens

SOMEWHERE around London at about a quarter to nine yesterday morning, there must have been people turning on their TV and radio sets with a look of wolfish expectation.

I hope and believe that they were disappointed in what they got. There just wasn't quite enough giggle-value for the psychopath.

It must have been infernal underneath King's Cross, but above ground no panic, no screaming, no wailing and beating the air, no yells for vengeance.

I'm writing this in the early aftermath, but I would be willing to bet there will have been little or no bloody foolishness, either: no random attacks on mosques or shops or individuals. After all, devices on our buses and tubes are an open proclamation that the perpetrators don't care if they kill Muslims. Which, of course, is part of the point. When we use the weak and vague word "terrorism" we imply indiscriminate cruelty directed at civilians.

"Sadism" or "fascism" or "nihilism" would do just as nicely: all the venom that lurks just on the sub-human level of the human species.

In a tightly interwoven society, all that this poison has to do is ally itself with a certain low cunning.

People are afraid of plane crashes and of heights: in that sense 9/11 was the perfect strike on the collective unconscious. People are likewise afraid of fire and of crowded or subterranean conditions: the mind of the fascist is naturally attuned to exploit such dreads. I am guessing the planners of this coordinated atrocity hoped for more mayhem than they got, but the casualty figures are in a sense beside the point.

WE all knew this was coming, and that one day a homely and familiar name like Tavistock Square would become a synonym for barbarism. The good old red London bus, a worldwide symbol of our capital, ripped to shards in an instant.

Random and "senseless" though such violence may appear, we also all know it expresses a deadly ideology; indeed that in some ways it is that ideology.

The preachers of this faith have taken care to warn us that they love death more than we love life. Their wager is that this makes them unstoppable. Well, we shall have to see. They certainly cannot prove their point unless we assist them in doing so.

My American friends have been impressed by the composure of the Londoners they have seen on the screen: I bet London Transport runs again rather sooner than US airlines resumed flying after 9/11.

I remember living in London through the Provisional IRA bombing in the 70s. I saw the very first car-bomb explode against the Old Bailey in 1972. There was no warning that time, but after a while a certain etiquette developed.

And, even as I detested the people who might have just as soon have blown me up as anyone else, I was aware there were ancient disputes involved, and that there was a potential political solution.

Nothing of the sort applies in this case. We know very well what the "grievances" of the jihadists are.

The grievance of seeing unveiled women. The grievance of the existence, not of the State of Israel, but of the Jewish people. The grievance of the heresy of democracy, which impedes the imposition of sharia law. The grievance of a work of fiction written by an Indian living in London. The grievance of the existence of black African Muslim farmers, who won't abandon lands in Darfur. The grievance of the existence of homosexuals. The grievance of music, and of most representational art. The grievance of the existence of Hinduism. The grievance of East Timor's liberation from Indonesian rule. All of these have been proclaimed as a licence to kill infidels or apostates, or anyone who just gets in the way.

FOR a few moments yesterday, Londoners received a taste of what life is like for the people of Iraq and Afghanistan, whose Muslim faith does not protect them from slaughter at the hands of those who think they are not Muslim enough, or are the wrong Muslim.

It is a big mistake to believe this is an assault on "our" values or "our" way of life. It is, rather, an assault on all civilisation. I know perfectly well there are people thinking, and even saying, that Tony Blair brought this upon us by his alliance with George Bush.

A word of advice to them: try and keep it down, will you? Or wait at least until the funerals are over. And beware of the non-sequitur: you can be as opposed to the Iraq operation as much as you like, but you can't get from that "grievance" to the detonating of explosives at rush hour on London buses and tubes.

Don't even try to connect the two. By George Galloway's logic, British squaddies in Iraq are the root cause of dead bodies at home. How can anyone bear to be so wicked and stupid? How can anyone bear to act as a megaphone for psychotic killers?

The grievances I listed above are unappeasable, one of many reasons why the jihadists will lose.

They demand the impossible - the cessation of all life in favour of prostration before a totalitarian vision. Plainly, we cannot surrender. There is no one with whom to negotiate, let alone capitulate.

We shall track down those responsible. States that shelter them will know no peace. Communities that shelter them do not take forever to discover their mistake. And their sordid love of death is as nothing compared to our love of London, which we will defend as always, and which will survive this with ease.

zinaval 7 Reviews 3222 reads
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Doing smarter things rather than dumber things is not surrendering.  If we make life more miserable in 20 countries, do Iraq 20 times over, do tons of collateral damage and have it be our calling card for people who know nothing else about us, then we will lose.  We might, however, turn it into a world war, then we may have a chance because then we'll have a border to attack, and it will be a war on Islam and not on a method of fighting.    

Again, I will repeat: terrorism is a strategy not an ideology.  If we choose or persist with a strategy that persuades 1.2 people to turn terrorism for every terrorist we kill or neutralize, then we are losing.  Period.  

There will be terrorism after there's a United States.  Why?  To have the US, you need a constitution, a president, a congress, some judges, a military and States with all of these    counterparts.

To have terrorists, all you need are two pissed off guys and some saltpeter.  It's arguable, BTW, whether you need the saltpeter.  

Sound defeatest?  I know that acknowledging it is not very manly, but find the flaw in it.

LaurenalaSeattle 2303 reads
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The British sure conduct themselves differently don't they? During the regular terrorist attacks in the 70's half-bombed businesses stayed open, people knew to be alert and aware, but also knew that they must be strong and not let the terrorists paralyze them with fear, or resort to fight-or-flight, just determinedely go about daily business, peripheral vision heightened a bit, ears attuned, but not to the point of distraction, that would be giving in to the terrorists, they want us to live in a constant state of fear. Brits, however, have no need for a color-coded terror alert system, they're always aware, resolved, sensible, patient and strong.

I have to wonder if the US had been just a little more patient and calmed down a bit before giving up trying to learn the secrets of the terrorists, attempting to infilitrate and dismantle from within, would we have a better grasp on the situation, so to speak? How compromised was the work investigating the terrorists and WMD's when a certain CIA agent working on that situation was identified publicly? Hard to say. I do know this much:

"While Cheney promised the nation last week that the Iraq insurgency was “on its last legs,” American generals are on record saying just the opposite. Not only is the insurgency far from weakened, as one general put it: “We can’t kill them all. For every one we kill, we create three more.” In Afghanistan, now that the Taliban is gone the opium trade is surging. Besides killing American soldiers on an almost daily basis, this supposed new bastion of democracy can now claim the dubious distinction of being the world’s largest producer of opium poppies."





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-- Modified on 7/12/2005 12:21:39 AM

RLTW 2710 reads
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If so, you will need to pull yourself up and out of the echo chamber.

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where I spend half my day"

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zinaval 7 Reviews 2890 reads
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It goes back to the blitz, and Britain's finest moment when she sacrificed her empire to save the world.  

I'd give them more thanks for it, except that it was Britain's diplomatic fiasco that caused a regional dispute between Austria and Serbia to become World War I-- thus, eventually. creating the need to sacrifice in the first place.

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