It is my understanding that the only way you can benefit from this "package" is through your taxes.
I personally havent filed (I know I really should) in a number of years. Does this mean I dont deserve help? Its completely unfair ... We cant work and the only hope I had was getting a relief check and find out there is no relief for me.
It was my understanding that they had the option to choose if everyone got $1000 or only some got $1200 and they voted on the latter.
So the government is basically screwing us sexworkers for free. Thanks!!!
Then income thresholds kick in. It is what it is.
With your social security number, not a tax payer id.
Or tax atty/professional and figure out a way to file your taxes in a way that doesn't throw up red flags for the IRS. They should know where the "sweet spot" is for income, deductions, and credits that will hopefully keep you under the radar. There's so much going on right now with business and individual tax changes, I doubt the Feds will have the resources (or inclination) to go after anyone for tax issues other than cases with the highest potential $ recovery. And, if the tax guy can figure out how to bring you current with your taxes, so much the better. There was a recent thread in which a provider mentioned she had a barter arrangement with her OB/GYN. Maybe something like that could also be worked out for tax prep. 
Good luck!
because that's the only way they can survive. Those who work for cash, the undocumented, the people who do odd jobs, etc.
I wonder what's going to happen to the people who owe back taxes. Will they take that money toward the payment?
But it is what it is.
Doesn't matter if you owe back taxes or not. The only reason they will not pay is if you owe back child support. All other debts are forgiven.
Nope. They're going off your last filing and if you make less than 90k. That dude will not only not get a check but he's probably looking at the IRS knocking on his door and want an audit for so many years.
He thought it was cool to book two at a time. Imagine what it's gonna be like when they pull a train on his ass in prison because he was a greedy fuck...!
I believe there is a provision in the bill for unemployed etc to receive benefits. It just won’t be your tax return that sets the payment in motion. That being said, why should a person who’s earning income who doesn’t pay taxes get benefits. I make $500. I pay taxes and clear $300. I pay a SW $500 and they don’t pay taxes. Where’s the fairness there? There are those who make a good living and pay quite a bit in taxes who won’t benefit a dime from this stimulus package. Why should someone who works and makes a living but contributes nothing to the common good benefit from the stimulus package. Like I said, I’ll be the asshole here.
I'm not sure all escorts don't pay taxes. It's possible many skip it, but it's probably easier to get an escort on tax evasion, or at least civil fines, than on prostitution charges. The IRS can infer an income level and it's up to the taxpayer to prove they don't owe it.
His reply is to the OP, and the OP doesn’t file taxes according to her own post.
I'm not sure all escorts don't pay taxes. It's possible many skip it, but it's probably easier to get an escort on tax evasion, or at least civil fines, than on prostitution charges. The IRS can infer an income level and it's up to the taxpayer to prove they don't owe it.
Just reading it incorrectly. The unemployed will receive expanded benefits. That has never been based on your tax return. You fill with your state agency and they can approve or reject. Unemployment is a state run program.
Another point. So far, from what I read, it’s not ‘did I file a return’ and earn the minimum to get the stimulus check. You had to have ‘income’ either wage or Social Security and have paid taxes on it. If you didn’t pay taxes on your ‘income’ I don’t think you are getting paid.
Unemployment is only available to actual employees, not hookers and not any other kind of business "owner" who isn't paying unemployment insurance out of his/her paycheck each week, myself included. I pay a fucking boatload of taxes and I am not eligible for either the stimulus/aid check or unemployment, but I am not whining about it.
and no, you don't have to have to have had "income and paid taxes on it" there are millions of people who make so little that they pay zero dollars in taxes actually there are millions of people who not only pay no taxes, but who still get a tax RETURN at the end of the year, and virtually ALL of these people will be eligible for checks.
Here is the deal though, to get paid by the "system" you have to be "in the system" people who don't file taxes at all are not in the system and that isn't just hookers, if you live "off the grid" as a hooker, bookie, drug dealer, pick pocket or whatever, you aren't in the system and the system doesn't know who you are, either to collect from you, (which is why so many people live off the grid) or to pay you, which is why so many of these people are whining today.
Sorry hookers, (those of you who think you are "above" filing taxes that is) but I have heard so many of you BRAG about how you are the "smart ones" by not paying taxes and that only stupid hookers file their taxes, IMHO you have given up any right you might have once had to whine about the system. You brag about making more than doctors or lawyers, or even lowly oilmen like me, but now you have your hand out for a lousy twelve hundred bucks and claim the government is fucking you. I don't mean to be harsh and I fully support my hooker friends in need, but if you haven't filed taxes in a decade while buying Jimmy Choo's and Chanel handbags, I just can't bring myself to work up a bunch of sympathy for you.
UC will cover independent contractors and the gig economy this time per the new federal law.
I don’t think you are an asshole. I think you are honest and reasonable and explaining simple facts. I thought the exact same thing when I read the OP. If you don’t pay taxes why should you get the stimulus check? 🤦🏻♂️
And if one doesn't owe back child support.
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Yes. People who earn 75K or less get the full amount. Then it goes down by $100 (or something) for every 2K that you earn above 75K. If you earn 99K or more you get nothing. Something like that anyways. People who are now unemployed will make more money through enhanced unemployment than they were making in their jobs in some states because they cannot reprogram the system quick enough.
There's a calculator somewhere (might come back to add it in) that shows you roughly what you'd get based on income, marital status, any kids you have etc.
Edit: https://www.hrblock.com/coronavirus-tax-impact/calculator/ or https://www.kiplinger.com/tool/taxes/T023-S001-stimulus-check-calculator-2020/
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Did you pay 50% on your last dollar to the government!? Did you fund SS or your state unemployment fund? If you really wanted to, you could have declare your ‘income’ and paid taxes on it. I know a few girls that don’t want to go down with Al Capone and stay legal. Right now you’re complaining about a benefit that you don’t deserve.
That's a rhetorical question.
on the side and file taxes like everyone else.
File your 2019 taxes now. Since its not due yet. Report like 2k. Cash tips. Declare as part time cash labor in any industry. This gets your ss# into the system. Then you will qualify. They will cut you a check.
But you need to do it now. Online via TurboTax free is free.
Chance of irs coming after you is minuscule.
i believe you income must be 2500 or above and below 99k
Free via turbo tax online. Declare 2k cash part-time work. Get your ss# in system. Receive check.
returns yet, the IRS will use 2018 to determine if you qualify for a stimulus payment. No need to rush out and file your returns. The deadline to file without penalty or interest has been extended to June 15, I believe.
Come on CDL, do you really think Tina filed her 2018 return? Or 2017? Or 2016?...🤣
technical point, but a good one. LOL
Come on CDL, you KNOW I am on the side of the ladies here, but someone who made a conscious decision NOT to be part of the system can hardly blame the system for not taking care of here in a crisis.
At least hookers can still work if they choose to. Let it me put it this way, only a few short weeks ago I was able to sell oil for $60 bbl, today I can barely get $20, BUT I am still in business and I have the choice whether to accept the $20 bbl that I can get, (regardless of what it costs to actually get it out of the ground and make payroll) or just say "Fuck it, this is too hard, the government fucked me so I am giving up" Hookers are having to make similar choices. I am not really going to lose sleep if a hooker has to go from $600 hr to $200 just to make "something" the same as me. If I can work for a third of the money I was getting a few weeks ago, why can't a hooker? I am not going to try to take advantage of the ladies who choose to work, but everyone in this country is taking advantage of me in the very same way when they fill up their tanks at less than $2 gallon.
Don't get me wrong, I am not whining, I am just trying to put this into perspective. There are a LOT of people who are going to fall between the cracks, but I pay a ton of fucking taxes and I won't be getting a penny, why should I really feel that fucking bad for people who've never paid a cent in taxes but still feel like they are entitled to MY money. ok "our" money, the government doesn't actually make money at all, all it does it redistribute the money it takes from it's citizens.
I would highly recommend to Tina to file 2019 taxes. Get an accountant. Reach out to some other NY girls privately and ask them who they use. They will be able to part the red tape for you.
I am sure you knew that, but anyone who hasn't filed taxes in years might not know when the usual filing deadline is.
Tina should file for a LOT of reasons, not just for the 'free" $1,200, but I would be remiss if I didn't warn her to be VERY careful in what she puts in that return. Failing to file has numerous penalties as does "failure to pay", but all of those penalties are civil and result in nothing more than fines that can be negotiated. Filing a fraudulent return OTOH is a criminal offense and EVERYONE should be very careful of what you try to get the IRS to believe. $1,200 isn't worth going to prison for tax fraud over.
Your advice to get an accountant is spot on, to add to that advice I would STRONGLY recommend that just like your lawyer or your doctor, don't lie to him/her once you hire one.
She should pay 2K in taxes so that she could get a 1.2K check and net -$800?
I think you misunderstood.. pay the taxes due on an income if $2,000..not pay $2,000
I looked it up. I know someone who has had zero personal income for the last 6 or 7 years. Never has filed. I was thinking they could just go into an HR Block.. and get a form filed out and filed. It will just show zero's..
With zero income.. you might ask.. how do they live.. that's not my point..
We are "independent contractors" and pay quarterly. I list myself as a "consultant". You may be able to "write off" home office, hotel and parking expenses (to see clients), mileage, etc. If you don't pay your taxes, you are taking advantage of the roads, schools, hospitals that we all pay for. Where do you think that stimulus money comes from? TAXES
If this board had a bunch of free lance carpenters who never paid a dime in taxes in their lives, along with a bunch of licensed contractors who had to give roughly half of every penny they earned to the government, does anyone really think the licensed, taxpaying contractors would be having a lot of sympathy for the free lancers who never paid a dime?
Don't get me wrong, I do have sympathy for the women who through poor life choices find themselves up a fucking creek right now. Being a hooker is honest work, it's a whole lot better than being a welfare mom who can't carry her weight under the best of times, BUT you can't flip the system the bird during good times and then come whining that the government is somehow fucking you because you made the conscious decision to not be part of the system.
Yes it means you don’t deserve help. It might sound harsh but that’s the reality. You’re doing something that is illegal, and should a drug dealer get a check?
The issue is a technical question. how can someone who has not files taxes in years get a personal stimulus check. file 2019 now with the bare minimum income needed to qualify. someone said $2500. which is a 0% tax rate I believe. then you will qualify.
I run a company in NYC. we will be exploring ALL options under the CARES provisions. this is much more extensive than 9/11 business relief in NYC. which I also weathered with a different company. this is a question of how to get maximum benefit as an individual or corporation under these policies under these extreme circumstances.
GaGambler's advice is important here, when you file if you put false info you are opening yourself up for criminal or civil penalties. The IRS can find out your bank records, apartment rent, etc. So if you have a visible cash flow, expenses, and you under-report income, they'll take a case to court on your lacking visible means of support i.e. you are living high without any apparent income source. This is generally enough proof of tax evasion for them to get a conviction in civil or criminal court.
the US tax system is not a right wrong good or bad system. It is simply a set of rules. stay within it and that's that. she can absolutely claim her share of the relief presented. if she gets into the IRS system for 2019.
I have no issue with filing taxes ...I stopped filing in 2016
I started in this business very young and taxes was not something I knew about or that was on my mind at the time...lol
And since I had another job and was filing I didnt really think about it too much
I have been wanting to file for the past few years so that I can start a Retirement fund and other things, but havent decided how I want to do it yet, whether I become my own business or what have you. Or found someone that I trust enough to file them and help me.
And I do pay some taxes (albeit state taxes but....) ... I shop I pay for things Im not completely off the grid so I do pay something.
My question is basically a question ... not just for escorts, but I wanted to know what people who dont file taxes for whatever reason they have ... how would they receive help this year.
Thanks Guys =)