Posted By: LostSon
Re: PS THIS IN NO WAY…
Trumps fault, WHATSOEVER!
Administrations have been trying to pass immigration reform laws for DECADES.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_laws_concerning_immigration_and_naturalization_in_the_United_States http://cis.org/Historical-Overview-Immigration-Policy http://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2015/09/30/how-u-s-immigration-laws-and-rules-have-changed-through-history/ .
Currently, immigrants are allowed to enter the US LEGALLY and remain in the US LEGALLY to seek asylum. It can take months to years to get their asylum hearings. If they lose their hearing, they must leave the US. It is my understanding that MOST immigrants are LEGAL immigrants until the system resolves their asylum requests and they (a) remain legal or (b) they then become ILLEGAL immigrants if they stay past the time allowed for them to leave.
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The majority of ILLEGAL immigration occurs due to visa overstays:
http://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2021/04/13/key-facts-about-the-changing-u-s-unauthorized-immigrant-population/ "... In recent years, immigrants from countries outside of Mexico and Central America accounted for almost 90% of overstays, and in 2017, there were more than 30 overstays for every border apprehension for these countries. ..."
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http://www.npr.org/2019/01/16/686056668/for-seventh-consecutive-year-visa-overstays-exceeded-illegal-border-crossings "... As the Trump administration demands funding for a border wall to stop illegal immigration, a new study finds that for the seventh consecutive year, visa overstays far exceeded unauthorized border crossings. The report released Wednesday by the Center for Migration Studies of New York finds that from 2016-2017, people who overstayed their visas accounted for 62 percent of the newly undocumented, while 38 percent had crossed a border illegally. ..."
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A BORDER WALL WILL NOT KEEP OUT 11 million ILLEGAL VISA OVERSTAYERS who arrive at airports or seaports.
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Prior to WWII or maybe the 1950s, there were no government programs to assist immigrants. They sought assistance (temporary lodging, food, etc.) from charitable organizations or individuals, all with different degrees of success. Job and other opportunities were much different back (e.g., manual labor).
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As the Nazi party expanded in the 1930s, many people sought to leave Europe for safe havens. Japan accepted Euro immigrants (which angered Hitler), China accepted Euro immigrants, Cuba accepted Euro immigrants, the US accepted Euro immigrants. Many Euro immigrants to the US were highly educated scientists; they did NOT receive government aid and did not take jobs from US scientists. Various organizations raised money to fund NEW fellowships or jobs for immigrant scientists at Rockefeller (now University), Princeton, etc., etc..
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At some point (during WWII?), the government started to provide aid and comfort to immigrants upon entry. Since then, the amount of gov aid has been increasing by law or as a result of lawsuits and so on.
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"The US needs to reform its immigration laws and policies" has been a constant refrain for decades. Major reform bills have died in Congress because Reps and Dems can't agree or reach a compromise. It is a HOT BUTTON issue without an "EASY" button solution despite the claims of characters like Trump or Vivek.
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What solutions do you propose or endorse?
“We’ve been trying to do immigration reform for decades…”
It’s tired old bullshit to obscure the fact that Dems want open borders because they think that illegals will vote for Dems. That’s it. That’s why it happens.
Wall Street likes open borders because they want an endless supply of cheap labor.
Meanwhile, for average Americans they get screwed over because the people who are supposed to represent them are corrupt worthless sacks of shit.
The net result is that the country gets crappier, poorer and dumber. And at some point it will cease to be a first world country.
A 2000 mile long, 40 foot high, spiked, painted black, brick or concrete or steel or Lego block border wall will not solve any of the problems you are complaining about. I repeat:
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"What solutions do you propose or endorse?"
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(Many non-wall solutions have been proposed. Look them up. Post the links. Say which ones you like or dislike and why. Say how you would modify them.)
Posted By: willywonka4u
Re: The Dems older than dirt take on immigration.
“We’ve been trying to do immigration reform for decades…”
It’s tired old bullshit to obscure the fact that Dems want open borders because they think that illegals will vote for Dems. That’s it. That’s why it happens.
Wall Street likes open borders because they want an endless supply of cheap labor.
Meanwhile, for average Americans they get screwed over because the people who are supposed to represent them are corrupt worthless sacks of shit.
The net result is that the country gets crappier, poorer and dumber. And at some point it will cease to be a first world country.
The most OBVIOUS of all solutions. We have a military. A very well funded one. It’s sole real purpose is to protect the country from foreign invasion. Just shoot the people invading the country. It’s *precisely* what every single country has always done since the dawn of time.
Shooting people entering the country is NOT "*precisely* what every single country has always done." You seem to be unaware that Europe has been beset by illegal immigrants coming to Greece and Italy on boats from North Africa and the Middle East. Illegals have also been moving across borders within Europe. And NO ONE has been shooting them.
Please stop lying, Willy.
Immigrants approaching the borders are doing so legally. They are entering the country at the checkpoints legally. They are obeying the current laws. You can't shoot them for obeying the law.
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The role of the US Military at the border is very limited and subject to current laws and legal standards.
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Let me rephrase: What LAWS would you like to see changed and in what ways? Your first suggestion is probably, "We hereby legalize the US Military to shoot anyone who is approaching the border, crossing the border, or is already across the border if that person does not have a valid US passport. (Shoot first and ask questions later.)" That conflicts with current laws which is why you have to have a more well thought out and more comprehensive answer or set of answers.
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Do you want to look and post links to Trump's policy statement? Ramaswamy's? Hailey's? ... Tucker's?
Posted By: willywonka4u
Re: What solutions do I propose?!?
The most OBVIOUS of all solutions. We have a military. A very well funded one. It’s sole real purpose is to protect the country from foreign invasion. Just shoot the people invading the country. It’s *precisely* what every single country has always done since the dawn of time.
inicky already addressed the other part of your post.
Posted By: impposter
Re: What solutions do I propose?!?
Immigrants approaching the borders are doing so legally. They are entering the country at the checkpoints legally. They are obeying the current laws. You can't shoot them for obeying the law.
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The role of the US Military at the border is very limited and subject to current laws and legal standards.
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Let me rephrase: What LAWS would you like to see changed and in what ways? Your first suggestion is probably, "We hereby legalize the US Military to shoot anyone who is approaching the border, crossing the border, or is already across the border if that person does not have a valid US passport. (Shoot first and ask questions later.)" That conflicts with current laws which is why you have to have a more well thought out and more comprehensive answer or set of answers.
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Do you want to look and post links to Trump's policy statement? Ramaswamy's? Hailey's? ... Tucker's?
Posted By: willywonka4u
Re: What solutions do I propose?!?
The most OBVIOUS of all solutions. We have a military. A very well funded one. It’s sole real purpose is to protect the country from foreign invasion. Just shoot the people invading the country. It’s *precisely* what every single country has always done since the dawn of time.
inicky already addressed the other part of your post.
Here’s a couple easy onesies, remain in Mexico while their asylum case is pending and seek asylum in the first county you come to.
Asylum seekers are in many cases gaming the system simply trying to side step our immigration policy. What this administration has done is assist with that circumventing said immigration policy. I have friends who immigrated here from Mexico legally and they are beyond pissed that they spent the money and time and did it right only to watch millions pour across the border under the current situation.
The flow of people unchecked into the US needs to stop NOW!!!
Here’s a legit question why do you lefties want it to continue?
...is an example of a moronic post. willy's proposed solution to the immigration problem is to just shoot the illegal immigrants. You might think this is a "modest proposal" a la Jonathan Swift but willy isn't clever enough for that. And he's also too stupid to know about the Posse Comitatus Act of 1878 which prevents the President from using the military as a domestic police force. You'd think even a dumb ass like willy would be aware of a law that's been around since 1878. But nooooooo!
He's a lying moron. Only after being told numerous times that his statement "BLM burned down half of America" was a lie did he stop it. Of course, all he did is change his lie to "BLM riots went on for a year." Proving that lying liars lie.
And then they whine and squirm and cry when we call them out as liars. One of them even lies about lying. Then his wipers take him off to change his Depends.
And our border has been breached 20 million times. The solution is very very simple. Use the military as it was intended. Instead of wasting the military on dumb assery like Iraq, we instead use it to protect ourselves from a full fledged invasion from Mexico. We should bomb northern parts of Mexico, wipe everything out there, we should take out Mexico’s leadership for allowing it, we should bomb the cartels, there should be a non stop endless parade of bombs dropping on Mexico until they stop invading. The military, national guard, border patrol should all use live ammo to take out anyone who crosses. We should use drones to take them out if there’s any issues with getting enough people to cover the border. The same thing should happen to Guatemala. Blow it up, leave it in ruins. Mass deportations for all illegals to be completed within 90 days, after that shot on the spot. And this should have started happening 40 years ago.
after he completed several sections of border wall, illegal immigration was at an all time low. If you don't think border walls work, ask Israel. Theirs has been completed for many years and they say NOTHING works better.
Trump REPAIRED or replaced ~400 miles of existing wall and added ~50 miles of new wall where barriers had not previously existed. Repair of existing wall was something that Border Patrol and many others agreed was a valuable investment. (Building a 2000 mile long wall according to Trump's original plan made no sense to anyone ... except Trump and his MAGA cult.)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_wall
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SOURCE!! Are you talking about border crossings (which plummeted, especially due to COVID)? Are you talking about apprehensions? Are you talking about an actual "illegal immigration" statistic? I can't find those numbers. Please provide LINKS. Unless I'm mistaken, APPREHENSIONS of illegal immigrants are UP under Biden ... due to improved detection and enforcement AT the border crossings.
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The situation in Israel is not the same as that along the US borders. Israel is surrounded by neighbors whose goal is the annihilation of the State of Israel by violent and terroristic means. I can't find a statistic on the total amount of Israel wall. I think it is somewhere between 400 and 500 miles of total barrier. Some of the barrier is a tall, thick, concrete barrier. Some of the barrier is fencing or other construction. Much of their wall is fitted with high tech detection devices and even automatic (unmanned) weapons in some places, in particular those places where terrorists are known to try to cross into Israel with explosives and other WMDs.
Posted By: coeur-de-lion
Re: In Trumps last year in office, . . . .
after he completed several sections of border wall, illegal immigration was at an all time low. If you don't think border walls work, ask Israel. Theirs has been completed for many years and they say NOTHING works better.
I guess cdl has somehow missed all the MANY incidents of Palestinians attacking and murdering Israelis after having passed screening.
According to the U.N.: "Over 200 Palestinians and nearly 30 Israelis killed in 2023, highest since 2005. The Israeli-Palestinian conflict has killed over 200 Palestinians and nearly 30 Israelis so far this year – already surpassing last year's annual figures and the highest number since 2005, the U.N. Mideast envoy said Monday.Aug 21, 2023"
Yeah, walls work just great.
Posted By: inicky46
Re: Also, Israel's border wall is FAR from perfect.
I guess cdl has somehow missed all the MANY incidents of Palestinians attacking and murdering Israelis after having passed screening.
According to the U.N.: "Over 200 Palestinians and nearly 30 Israelis killed in 2023, highest since 2005. The Israeli-Palestinian conflict has killed over 200 Palestinians and nearly 30 Israelis so far this year – already surpassing last year's annual figures and the highest number since 2005, the U.N. Mideast envoy said Monday.Aug 21, 2023"
Yeah, walls work just great.
Plagiarizing again I see, you didn’t even bother with attempting quotes to claim you weren’t stealing someone else’s writing
Stealing other peoples work and passing it off as your own huh? Nice job icky!
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Are you blind? Those little " " marks inicky put around the text are called quotation marks.
Posted By: LostSon
you didn’t even bother with attempting quotes
Why don't you quote-check CDL and find a source of his immigration claims.
Posted By: impposter
Re: FAR from
Are you blind? Those little " " marks inicky put around the text are called quotation marks.
Posted By: LostSon
you didn’t even bother with attempting quotes
Why don't you quote-check CDL and find a source of his immigration claims.
I did mis his first one because he put it a couple words down but he has a history of doing this and after he got caught plagiarizing the US Navy’s website last time (which is what he did here) and failed to provide a link (like you hairsplitting motherfuckers demand) icky is caught stealing so that makes him a thief as well as a liar (which he hypothetically calls everyone.
Looooser doesn't know the difference between "hypothetically" and "hypocritically."
Turn in your GED, dimwit.
I wonder if Loooooser even knows what a GED is?
Posted By: inicky46
Re: Are you a compulsive ignoramus?
Looooser doesn't know the difference between "hypothetically" and "hypocritically."
Turn in your GED, dimwit.
I wonder if Loooooser even knows what a GED is?
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Autocorrect mistake, B U T your attack in no way diminishes your attempt at plagiarism.
Once again, you’re caught thieving.
Just like Loooooser to hide behind "autocorrect," and then turn around a LIE about plagiarism when he's already been proven WRONG.
Dimwit: """"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" do you know what these mean? Obviously NOT.
Lying Liars Lie.
So Looooser's whining is based on one of two things:
1) Either he's too stupid to know what quotation marks are, OR,
2) He's a fucking LIAR.
The answer is most likely BOTH.
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Ya got lazy, looked something up to argue with CDL about (like ya did last time.) You then snuck in the quotes (like ya did last
time) and got caught (AGAIN!) Why not link the article and source? Oh I know your trying to make yourself look smarter and then went to the quote defense (again.) Here’s the deal you scream like Scalded cats about not having a link.
Kinda telling huh?
Face it icky, it’s just another in the LONG LIST of your short comings. Plagiarism is something a draft dodger would do. Fuck I don’t wanna die, fuck it I’m to lazy to either write my own response based on discovery and reading ORRR provide a link…
P.S. It’s what Biden would do 😲
Face it, no matter how many times you try to make the same point OVER and OVER again, you still fail. Only a lying pussy like Loooser keeps making the same failed argument and is too big a weakling to just take the L.
Loooooser is a lying pussy and a gutless wanker.
So telling you don't even TRY to rebut anything about the quote I posted.
Because you can't.
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