One of our board residents who represents one of the most radical elements of our society stated:

"The Geneva Convention applies to war time "rules" between sovereign countries. Al Queda and their affiliates are not a sovereign country. They do not follow rules of war and therefore should not be accorded the right to be treated under the rules of war."

I am assuming our friend here,  a summa cum laude graduate of Toothless Hick School of Law, didn't quite get to read White House Counsel’s report. Gonzales expressed worries that the above will not permit torture and abuse of the prisoners, and had clearly warned against the assertions, warning against potentials for committing war crimes

I had hoped this talented graduate (hopefully not an inbred), would have shown the same level of outrage he showed over the murderous act of killing that noble and unforgettable  young man, a hero in my mind, Nicholas Berg,  as the innocent Iraqi prisoner killed by being punched in the head with the bag on, the despicable woman soldier showing thumbs up over his dead body, and anger towards the rape of an underage Iraqi boy in our custody in that prison.

But, that was expecting too much.  Our staff attorney here believes in a set of principles that puts him right up there with those nut cases in that Church in Idaho!

My own ancestors invented rape, bigotry, and pillage in Europe, but we all have to learn and grow up, IN THIS LIFETIME!!!

Sooner or later, in this age of nuclear weapons, we MUST learn to live with one another.  We as Americans, should be truly the beacon of freedom, civility, and justice. When Europe and the entire developing nations have turned agasint us, it is time to re-think all of our actions and policies.


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I take great satisfaction in the knowledge that I annoy you to the point of making such a moronic post filled with juvenile insults.

RLTW



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Its called RTVCCS (Rattle The Viking Captain's Chain Society)
I got him to spew his venom of juvenile intolerance at me about 2 weeks ago. Today was your turn in the sun.

 
   IOR.

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they put on one hell of a performance of Deliverance - Full banjo orchestra and everything.

Oh damn, I'm being juvenille.  Let me see, ... I know

Kill all Muslims before they ruin our way of life,  GWB is wonderful - the best !!!  Better ?

You're a fucking moron. Have you bothered to read any of my posts on the subject, or are you just following the Quiet Viking / Captain America fool like the brainless little twit that you are.

RLTW

RLTW, actually, I have hopes for you!  In reading your posts, there is a streak of decency and honor in you.  The streak can be turned into a stream, the stream into a river, and the river into something even more powerful.

I was off sailing today from Dana Point in Southern California, and was thinking of how life events change people.  I am not the man I used to be when I was much younger, and I am glad for it. I have had friends like you, and NO, I didn't throw them overboard!

Two examples for you to just ponder, and not rant please!

This is from George Will (yes, our own at times fully right wing George Will!):  "This administration cannot be trusted to govern if it cannot be counted on to think and, having thought, to have second thoughts."

Robert Kagan, a neoconservative supporter of the Iraq war: "All but the most blindly devoted Bush supporters can see that Bush administration officials have no clue about what to do in Iraq tomorrow, much less a month from now."

These two have had bankable track records as war-mongers and Bush devotees.  We all live and learn, and I know you have the capacity to put your fears and hatred behind you, see the world and people in a different light.

they are being juvenille, however when you insult them I guess your being a stud.  What's that word .... hypocrit - not to be confused with hickocrit.

Regarding your posts I especially like the one where you had so many pathetic excuses for your use of nappy. Think of hick and inbred as terms of endearment for white southern men - like you use nappy.

[I've edited my FU phrase - that is indeed juvenille. But then again, I'm a moron - what's your excuse]

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If you look back on the postings on the General Board for the months leading up to George W. attacking Iraq in 2003, you will see many of us on the "left" advising against this course of action. Our primary arguments were that the UN inspections seemed to be working, and that they would be able to check Saddam Hussein's development of any weapons of mass destruction. Further, we discussed the likelihood of any US occupation of Iraq turning into a quagmire. As historical reference, you didn't need to go further than "The Seven Pillars of Wisdom" by T. E. Lawrence (better known as "Lawrence of Arabia"), which sets out why insurgent forces in Iraq could successfully withstand colonial occupation.

Fast forward to May 2004. With the Iraqi occupation oscillating between a quagmire and a nightmare, it seems as though George W. and Tony Blair are each looking at major defeats in the upcoming elections. Imagine how secure in their positions of power each of them would be, if they only would have not invaded Iraq.

And what's an important lesson to the right on this board? You should always pay attention to what your opponents have to say. You might just learn something.

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I only fire back insults when someone throws them at me first. In your case llcar, I was merely stating facts.

RLTW

the Viking.  On the contrary, I INDEPENDENTLY concluded that you were full of shit.  It wasn't hard:

take 1 part frat-boy (hooah - in a public forum, F'n Korny)
+ big part the need to impress (CIB, Ranger Tab, ...,
Kyokushin Karate class) + dash of bigotry (nappy neighbor kids) + misc.

and

VOILA !!!!


LLCAR

If who I am bothers you, then that's fine by me.

RLTW

It's not so much that who you are bothers me - I appreciate your efforts to see both sides.  

This is long and I don't have time to write a short version but just want to get it off my chest (sorry for length).

As far as my ``Killing all Muslims'' comment this was directed at the Rant guy in full but at you only in part AND I ADMIT IT IS EXTREME - it was motivated by your exchange with sdstud where he was trying to make the point that all the prisoners are not terrorists and we should treat them all humanely - your response was that the terrorists ``Are bent on destroying your way of life''.  This is no doubt true, but does not address sd's point and seems to advocate treating them all like terrorists [ironic - I lumped you together with OffonARant].

Next, the Viking's post was IMHO not juvenille - Sure he includes some juvenille hick comments (those are just so hard to pass on) but the content of his post is very important and makes valid points (again, IMHO).  Instead of addressing his comments you say he is being juvenille - given that you are not above insults I found this hypocritical and avoiding the issue.

And last but not least, your nappy comments.  Now, to you this is just ``PC idiocy''.  If so, then why did you protest so much ?  Moreover, in one of your posts you describe a scenario where you say to your black sparring partner  ``my kids are nappy, your kids are nappy ...''  - If you are so sure your friend would not be insulted then why don't you start that exchange with just ``your kids are nappy ...'' - I suspect that would be an interesting sparring session.  We all say things we are sorry for - If you don't care (the left are just PC idiots) then my all means stay your course (don't make lame excuses), but if you think you may be wrong then please stand up.


I suppose I was so upset about this because you were so insulted by being labelled a racist due to your Republican affiliation and then you make this comment followed by not so convincing excuses (at least to me) - Indeed, I was convinced that you were that rare Republican that can see both sides, but then came the comment (+ others)- Guess I was just disappointed (not that you care - this is mostly personal therapy).

Sorry for the length and thanks for your attention.

L