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The fecal cliff ~ buying the hype selling the news
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What affect do you feel the cliff will have on the markets ?
Do you feel a quick exposer of the shorts will help?
What do you feel about the flash fall of the market recently , relatively speaking ?
Are you buying the hype? Thanks! Kendall Lynn

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Pas Why so short ?
I was just wondering ,  without throwing names and sides without the mention of your political interest .Can we do that or it's not allowed ? lol
I am my investment adviser .
Let me ask you do you feel the tax increase related to falling off the cliff would affect you personally? If investments and markets are not of interest to you .
Looking for less of a blame game and more of a projective view.Do you project it mattering to you other than something to talk here about?
Do you feel falling off the cliff will show a wake , will that wake rock your proverbial boat? How ? For you personally?
A tragedy is measured in it's wake and affect .
What say you ? My investment adviser , indeed lol
Please do not dismiss me again , thank you in advance for your respect Pas .
I felt that was a bit of a faux pas .
We get what we give .
Happy New Year , Kendall Lynn


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salonpas327 reads

......your nail/hair stylist.

Input it was truly eye opening and an ever so helpful .Terrific ,  aren't you lovely?? :) Brilliant , I am so impressed :) lol
SO you feel it has no affect on you i take it? Thanks again for your opinion . Happy New Year :)  Kendall Lynn

salonpas283 reads

.........and remember this is a board for politics and Religion and not for Investment advice. Just sayin......

How else would you get $500 million in Pentagon/Defense Cuts ever? As far as taxes are concerned, it is not a big deal for working stiffs like me.

If the economy grows in the second quarter and beyond after adjusting for blip in the first quarter (which it will), I say, stop the crap and go over the blip.

cashorcredit293 reads

It's embarrassing that the greatest country on earth faces this problem.

If we go over the cliff this will hurt Americans.. Our taxes are going up.. folks who receive unemployment checks won't receive another dime. 98% of Americans will suffer if congress doesn't do their job!

If you have a job, own a small business or receive unemployment you better buy into the HYPE.

Zing!!!359 reads

It may effect short term games; and may even delay acceleration in growth but in the end it is a mountain made out of a molehill. Don't believe the hype. Once the new year turns around, and businesses know the score, cliff or not, things will continue to move and may pick up.

salonpas318 reads


Excellent reading for those who are interested......

The fiscal cliff is not a one-time political event; it is a generational process that ends in the collapse of the Status Quo.

To understand the fiscal cliff's inevitable endgame, we need to start with the financial and political basics of wealth and power in the U.S.

1.  Wealth and thus political power are highly concentrated.  The dynamics of rising wealth disparity and the increasing concentration of wealth are debatable; the disparity is not.  Roughly 70% of all financial wealth is held by the top 5%; within this top layer of ownership, the top ½ of 1% hold an outsized share.

2.  This preponderance of wealth in the hands of a few translates into an equivalent preponderance of political power, as there are no real limits on the purchase of political influence, favors and power.

3.  The U.S. income tax is highly progressive; most Federal taxes are paid by a minority of the citizenry.  The top 1% of taxpayers reported almost 17% of all taxable income and paid 37% of all income taxes.  The top 5% reported 32% of all income and paid 59% of the taxes, and the top 10% earned 43% of the income and paid 70% of the taxes.

The top 25% (those earning more than $66,193) paid 87% of the taxes.  The bottom 50% of taxpayers, roughly 70 million people, earned 13% of the income and paid 2% of the income taxes collected.

4.  There are roughly 127 million people who receive government transfers or benefits.  Sixty-one million recipients of Social Security and Medicare and 66 million people receiving welfare (SNAP food stamps, housing credits, Medicaid, etc.)  Since there are about 115 million full-time jobs in the U.S., this means there are 1.1 government dependents for every full-time worker in the U.S.  (For context, there are 315 million Americans and roughly 142 million jobs.  About 38 million of these jobs are part-time that pay less than $10,000 annually.  Fifty million wage earners earn less than $15,000 a year, and 61 million earn less than $20,000 annually.)

The Federal government counts a person who is self-employed and earns $100 a year as "employed" and a person who works one hour a week as "employed."  As a result, the only meaningful metric is full-time employment

The top 25% who pay most of the taxes, roughly 30 million people, are a political minority compared to the 127 million people drawing direct payments/benefits from the Federal government and the 65+ million who pay essentially no income taxes (though they do pay the 7.65% Social Security/Medicare payroll tax).

5.  This progressive tax structure is based largely on earned income; i.e., wages and self-employed income.  Unearned income (rents, dividends, stock options, hedge fund management fees, etc.) is treated much differently than earned income.  Unearned (rentier) income is governed by highly complex tax codes that lend themselves to politically controlled loopholes, subsidies, and exclusions. As a result, some profitable corporations not only pay no tax but actually receive subsidy payments from the government.  In other cases, politically powerful enterprises have tax laws written specifically to limit or erase their tax burden.

The tax code treats unearned income quite differently from earned income in many other ways.  For example, all unearned income is excluded from the Social Security/Medicare payroll taxes.  A self-employed person pays 15.3% of their earnings in Social Security/Medicare payroll taxes; a person receiving the equivalent sum in rents and dividends pays zero Social Security/Medicare payroll taxes.

6.  The assets that generate unearned income are highly concentrated, and as a result so is the unearned income.  The top 1% owns twice as much stock-market wealth as the bottom 90%.  This income-producing wealth enables the top 1% to act as a financial aristocracy, buying influence and favors from equivalently concentrated political Elites.............contd
http://www.oftwominds.com/blogdec12/fiscal-cliff-endgame12-12.html


RUSchittingMe319 reads

And nobody seemed to have noticed!

Thank you gentlemen for answering:)
I love to hear from the guys and girls .Historically speaking I find many of you are very bright and have thoughts i might not consider without asking and hearing from you :) Thank you .
I appreciate you taking the time and offering your insight as well as opinions :)
Pas I have to say if you do not see a relationship between the economy , the market and politics we do not have a lot to talk about really .
Truly, I would have prefered if you had given me your thoughts and position as opposed to someone elses , but thank you for taking the time . I am sure it took some time to look that up .
I find it interesting to debate these things .In fact we just a couple of years  ago right here on this board discussed the markets with some regularity , you were not here then i assume ....
I agree with the gent who said falling off the cliff is the best option atm although i would have prefered to see this having already been handled on the floor when it was there .The futures this Am seemed to be watching as well .Happy new Year ,Kendall Lynn

Posted By: RUSchittingMe
And nobody seemed to have noticed!

followme349 reads

For shits and giggles.


Thank you
2013 = 28

cashorcredit319 reads

Happy New Years to everyone... I'm going to partake in some alcoholic beverages see ya in 2013!!!!

salonpas235 reads

..........and his herd of tea party felines.

Posted By: cashorcredit
Happy New Years to everyone... I'm going to partake in some alcoholic beverages see ya in 2013!!!!

RUSchittingMe269 reads

"Boner" was certainly part of the negotiations and I'll bet they have a deal with him to bring it to the floor.  Then the centrists Republicans and Democrats will vote for it and the Tea Baggers will be left out in the cold.

salonpas265 reads

...........it would then have to be sent back to the Senate for renegotiation.

cashorcredit274 reads

john boehner is a good guy he loves his country.. I'm glad the dems and repubs came together to do what we're paying them to do.

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