"Fighting for his life" could mean avoiding the death penalty as well as a long prison sentence. When you are serving a long sentence, your normal life has been taken away, so they are not much different in the eyes of the accused.
....and then he had to fight for his life from a Soros sponsored DA that charged him with murder for saving others on the subway.
There's been no coverage of DeCarlos Brown who fatally stabbed a Ukranian refugee minding her own business on the Charlotte Blue Line Train.
This image needs to be seen by the whole country.
Penney was NOT charged with murder and was NOT in a "fight for his life." He was charged with criminally negligent homicide, which is an elevated version of manslaughter. Oh, and there's no death penalty in NY, so even if he'd been charged with murder he wouldn't be fighting for his life.
Here's what he was charged with:
"AI Overview
Criminally negligent homicide is the unlawful death of a person caused by a defendant's extreme carelessness or recklessness, which goes beyond simple negligence. Unlike murder or voluntary manslaughter, there is no intent to kill, but the act demonstrates a gross disregard for human life and safety. This charge typically falls under the broader category of involuntary manslaughter."
Now go to your room and come back when you're not stupid. That could take a while.
Actually the issue they are trying to make is this.... People are now afraid to step in to help others for the fear of what will happen to them LEGALLY because of lawyers. Penny stepped in to help and afterwards was in a legal battle for his life. YES FOR HIS LIFE. Possibility of going to prison, his reputation, losing his job, media attention, etc. All because of a person was threatening people on a train, threatening himself, etc. He moved into action to subdue the man..... it wasn't "careless" or "recklessness". Since after doing the chokehold he and others tried to render aid.
But this shows you what the OP is talking about with lawyers. PLUS the political climate trying to make it about RACE right away. Also about people not helping family members or others refusing help with substance or mental issues. There is more than enough facilities, aid, etc out there to help from the government and private sector. It is just a matter if people want to do it or accept that help.
I will first note that snafucked has so far not even tried to defend his playing fast and lose with the facts. I guess he was waiting for you to do it. More to the point, I do NOT simply write off the words "fighting for his life" as not being literal when the OP incorrectly states murder as the charge IN THE SAME SENTENCE.
As for Penny's actual actions, do you really believe choking someone to death isn't "careless" or "reckless?" Another jury found the killer of George Floyd guilty. So there's that.
Penney got off easy and should consider himself very, very lucky.
I don't think it was reckless at all. The guy was making threats against everyone in the area. He stopped the threat. Chokeholds are meant to be "non lethal" . He didn't shoot an unarmed man. Then he did render aid after the fact he went unconscious.
Now you bring up Floyd.... we could go 10000000 pages on this whole fuck up on all levels. Chauvin was hung out to dry..... I honestly don't think Chauvin got a fair trial. Lots of stuff coming out on how witnesses lied, judge didn't allow evidence, etc. Then other officers got fucked over as well. Should have Chauvin got charged with something.... YES. To what extent is debatable. Reasons why is this...
1. The technic used WAS taught (witness lied).
2. Drugs in system of Floyd (did it cause death debatable)
3. Should have Chauvin rendered aid quicker YES (knee off sooner than he did...ie: where charges needed to happen)
4. Other officers were doing crowd control and couldn't see what was going on (how they got screwed over)
There are more... like I said... could go on and on for both sides of argument. But the big one for me is the other officers had their backs to the situation because they were trying to control the crowd the majority of the time. They were the ones who got screwed over.
Anyways.... back to Penny. The DA's and attorney's now go after anyone and everyone especially when "race" is involved. People are looking to make headlines instead of going with FACTS. Hell look at the case of the stabbing down in Texas of the kids in the tent. Look how quickly that disappeared once evidence started to come out and vids. Same can be said about many others. EVEN Self defense ones. It is sad that the self defense stories or people helping others are not celebrated. There are actually many stories of black kids or youth's stepping up helping others in need than white kids out in the news. The sad part is those are here and gone in a day with the news cycle. Those need to be celebrated for weeks. Governors need to hand out awards for that shit.
But NO.... now we have kids dying because of fucking tik tok ding dong ditch fucking games and other stupid things. yeah I played ding dong ditch as a kid and people shouldn't be getting shot over it. But look at the stupid tik tok "fads" or "pranks" that people are doing to "get famous".... that people are ending up getting shot over. Just stupidity of what our culture celebrates. They should celebrate people doing good deeds or trying to help instead of punishing them with court drama and law suits.
BULLSHIT!!!
ALL chokeholds are lethal if applied for a sufficient amount of time. Daniel Penny held the chokehold for SIX minutes - that’s lethal.
The LAPD banned the armbar chokehold which cuts off oxygen to the brain in 1980.
Later, the LAPD banned the carotid chokehold which cuts off blood to the brain.
CRSM27: “Other officers were doing crowd control, and couldn’t see what was going on.”
BULLSHIT!!!!!!!
Only one officer was doing crowd control and he saw what was going on. He testified that he deferred to 19 year veteran Chauvin. One officer was holding Floyd’s legs down and another was holding Floyd’s chest down.
Those two holding Floyd down could clearly see what Chauvin was doing. The officer holding Floyd’s legs had only been on the force for FOUR DAYS yet he knew enough to ask Chauvin if Floyd should be moved on his side. Chauvin said “no.”
I don’t think the rookie should have done time for what he did. There no way he would try to tell Chauvin what to do.
CocksuckingRightyStupidMoron27IQ is a fucking moron.
They didn't know how long penny was hold or doing the chokehold. Testimony and time frame of the film didn't show. Also Penny stopped once body went limp and rendered aid. It goes to show you how people are afraid to help others.
going back to the OP and the murder in Charlette where everyone in the train turned a blind eye as a guy took out a knife, stabbed a woman, walked around a train and then exited. Nobody tried to stop the man.
On the Floyd issue....
There was more than one officer doing crowd control. When people keep showing up and getting aggressive it is police officers job to control crowds and worry about officer safety. Look at the film of people trying to get around officers, screaming, etc. Officer safety was becoming an issue. Also underlying condition that many don't know is that neighborhood environment. Which local PD does know. Which was also not allowed in the trial. But again.... facts that locals/people from MN know about.
Choke holds are "non lethal".... otherwise why would they be allowed to be used in MMA? Why are they taught as a non lethal self defense move.
Also papa.... you do know I did say that Chauvin did deserve to get punished and provided evidence in another post how in a police shooting where a Somalian officer killed a woman who actually called the police only got 3rd degree murder. Chauvin got 2nd degree for kneeling on a guy. So how can someone who was subduing someone with a LEGALLY TAUGHT MOVE (which witness lied on stand) get 2nd degree and someone who pulled out a gun and shot someone get less of a charge. The person who shot the woman wasn't getting surrounded by a group of people or angry mob.... etc. Yeah... punishment didn't fit the crime. He should have gotten the unintentional manslaughters just a matter to what degree is all. He should have gotten the not rendering aid right away since he is a professional and noticed the body going limp and what not. But people are blinded on this whole subject and used Chauvin.
First off.......Look how NOBODY really looked up after the woman was murdered. Seriously.... look at the footage. That is the issue with today's world.
Second.... Penny wasn't careless or reckless. Chokeholds are meant to be "non-lethal".... and then he rendered aid after the fact. It wasn't like he shot the unarmed man. This was a guy making physical threats against everyone on the train.
Third...... Floyd's case was so fucked up it isn't even funny. So many things wrong with it. YES Chauvin should have been charged but what he got wasn't the correct charge. The Judge fucked up by not allowing certain evidence into the trial. Witness's lied.... the hold was taught and used correctly. The other officers got screwed over because they were doing crowd control and couldn't focus on what Chauvin was doing. YES Floyd did have drugs in his system and that should have had more weight into the verdict. YES Chauvin should have rendered aid quicker and took his knee off of Floyd sooner. The list goes on and on. The court system FAILED on this one big time. This is a case that they didn't want more riots to happen and the bigger optics played a role than actual justice.
I will repeat Chauvin deserved charges but not what he got. In a previous case in MN a Somalian officer shot and killed a woman who was walking up to him to report the crime the police were responding too (she called it in) and he only got 3rd degree murder charge. SHOT AND KILLED.....Chauvin got 2nd degree murder.... for doing a restraining hold. See what I am getting at..... He shouldn't have gotten the 2nd Degree charge. The involuntary manslaughter.... yes... just a matter to what degree. Especially since he didn't render aid right away....ie: body went limp. The difference between Chauvin and Penny is that Chauvin receives regular training and Penny doesn't or didn't. Being in the Army or once the Army compared to active police on duty.
Justine Demond did not walk up to the cop that shot her. It was worse than that for several reasons. The DEI hired somali recruit was sitting in the passenger seat and she walked up to the officer driving the car on his side. The DEI hired somali cop pulled his weapon and from the front passenger seat, fired his weapon at and fatally hitting Justine Demond with the other officers head in between the gun and the victim. The trajectory of the round came within 5 inches from his face and was about 14 inches away from the other officer's head when fired.
"Fighting for his life" could mean avoiding the death penalty as well as a long prison sentence. When you are serving a long sentence, your normal life has been taken away, so they are not much different in the eyes of the accused.
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and another did as well when avoiding the fact that a crazed felon who had been arrested at least 14 times, many of those including violent attacks brutally murdered an innocent woman who was minding her own business on a train. He went after the messenger instead.
Penny was just an example of the hero trying to help and it was nationwide coverage of him being depicted as a vigilante that killed a mostly peaceful man who was just acting a little funny when in truth, was threatening everyone around him. Who gives two fucks when some LE agency banned chokeholds, Penny is a Marine. Marines don't fuck around, they solve problems.
The woman killed was a Ukrainian refugee that worked at a restaurant. Her crime was being in the wrong place at the wrong time. Other than Fox and local news, media across the country ignored it because it didn't fit their narrative and there was no way to spin it where a white man could be turned into a villain.
Poor snafucker, he makes a hash of his first post with stupid errors and, when I point them out, blames me over another incident I didn't even comment about.
Grow up and take the L, snafuckhead.
And just for the record, the other incident was horrific and I hope the perp never again sees the light of day.
He should have never been out in the first place. How about the fact that other news agencies are not covering it? How about the fact that idiots were already setting up Go Fund Me's for the attacker.
All of this shows you how warped our society is and how people want to push a right vs left on every fucking issue. When this is a clearly our justice system failing. Again, I am not saying "lefty judge". I never said that. I said our justice system. It could have been a right-wing judge for all that I know. All judges give light sentences because of gridlines. It is sickening. People want to only think it is "left wing" judges..... when it is not. It is the whole system.
Like I stated in my original post. People don't fear consequences anymore. It starts at home, then school, then law. Seriously.... look at it. Again, this isn't a right vs left thing. This is a good vs bad. People now just don't fear getting into trouble because they know nothing will happen to them. This guy has been let out 14 times. People have multiple DUI's and then murder someone while driving drunk. The examples are never ending. Most horrendous crimes are committed by repeat offenders. Then people want to put the blame on other things like environment, up bringing, objects used, subsentences used, etc. BLAME THE INDIVIDUAL. They made the decisions.
That's where you made what I think is an incorrect assumption about the alleged perp; that he did it because he didn't fear getting into trouble. I will now make my own possibly incorrect assumption: the guy is nuts. If you look at his behavior just before he killed her he seems deranged. I'll lay odds that he has a long history of mental episodes, commitments and incarcerations. We have a huge problem in this country with mentally imbalanced people who bounce from one commitment to the next, homelessness and incarceration. But because we can legally no longer commit these people for longer periods of time, they simply cycle through various elements of the "system" until they either die or kill someone else. In this case, the victim was a young person fleeing violence in Ukraine only to be murdered here.
And I'll bet no one does a damn thing about it.
I wasn't talking about the perp in this case. I am talking about criminals in general. They don't fear the justice system. Especially juvies.
Now I am talking about how our society has changed where people are scared to help others out of being sued, going to jail because of courts, etc. It is the exact opposite of what it is supposed to be. Even the "good Samaritan" laws are being challenged, and judges/DAs are saying they don't have the protections like they should.
We have more than enough help and institutions for homeless and even mental health out there. We have funding thru the roof. But the issue is that funding gets squandered. You don't need to look further than LA. Where does all that money go? I can tell you.... in the pockets of the people "running" those programs or their friends. I AM NOT SAYING FRAUD. I am saying they might be inflating costs, salaries, rental of buildings, etc. Just like any other "contracts" with federal/state funding. Don't blame them.... charge more when you can and especially when they don't call you out on your bullshit. Private sector competition does call bullshit the majority of the time.
Penny was a comparison to the information included in the link and the lack of media coverage on it. What Penny's official charges were is basically a mute point and you're just splitting hairs but nobody can deny that he was treated horribly by the justice system. Point made though, you were fully aware of Daniel Penny but up to the point where you read my link and became aware of it, you had no idea this happened.
OR
You were aware and chose to ignore it because it doesn't fit your fucking agenda either. Your TDS has warped your mind if it allows you to ignore what is happening across the country. You just hate him so bad, you have zero
NEITHER of your presumptuous assumptions are correct. And you refuse to own your incredibly stupid mistakes.
Just like a righty ideologue and partisan hack.
The mistake about what Penny was charged on?? Go fuck yourself, grabbing onto little strings but ignoring the message. Just like mute/moot...who gives a fuck other than your position is fucked and that's all you have to push against. Nice one, loser.
You get the charge completely WRONG. But that's OK.
You comically butcher the English language. But that's OK.
You are very, very angry. But that's OK.
You're a total douchenozzle. But that's not OK.
Now listen up....
"mute" means silenced.
"moot" is a point that is no longer relevant.
But by all means continue to display your ignorance.