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It takes courage to stand on the moral high ground. Sinking to their level is the easy way out.
jackvance 9052 reads
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I agree with Carrie, and those others with the courage to stand on the high ground.  There is more than one way to win.

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Raoul Duke12913 reads


Another month, another American worker slain in a heinous manner.

I think its time to invoke the eye for an eye rule.
Take those Al Quaida prisoners whos releases were demanded...and release them..to Allah.

The U.S. should pressure the Saudi govenment to mandate the immediate and very public execution of the Al Quaida prisoners. All of them.


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buddym11937 reads

Ted Kennedy,and all those F**kin hollywood liberals that would seek to destoy this wonderful country that we live in.

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goodguy8180 reads

Is get rid of those incompetent, Saudi lovin' slackers and get some real military people in there (like Kerry and General Clark) who care about Americans instead of Haliburton Contracts.

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Carrie of London10482 reads

Do you really want to be at the same moral level as those who commit such barbarous acts?  You say it was "heinous" and then you're advocating that the US should encourage it, I don't understand that sort of thinking at all.

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HadAboutEnoughOfThisSh*t7980 reads

I would venture to say Carrie that if you were to "tour" that regeon of the world you would stand a very good chance of being publicly stoned to death.
We can't just build a fence around these uncivilized mid-east countries and exclude them from all forms of commercial trade. Perhaps if we fight fire with fire their limited thought processes would convince them to shed their barbaric ways and get in step with the rest of the world.  

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jackvance9053 reads

I agree with Carrie, and those others with the courage to stand on the high ground.  There is more than one way to win.

-- Modified on 6/19/2004 9:25:52 AM

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NeedleDicktheBugFucker9344 reads

to react under pressures of war.

It is easy to sit here in the states and wax philisophic about war time conduct, it's quite another, to be there, seeing your friends blown to smithereens...

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Carrie of London10436 reads

I'll reply despite the factious comment about ' touring'.

I've not been to Iraq but I have holidayed in Iran found the people there to be by far the most hospitable I've ever encountered.  I learned a lesson by that trip: never to judge the ordinary people of any country by their leadership or the acts of extremists.

Believe it or not most Arabs are just like us.  They want to live in peace and do the best for their families.  Of course there are extremists but then not so long ago we had extremists in Northern Ireland killing women, children and old people.  Not just in Ireland but in London.  I heard bombs go off twice, I lived with the paranoia and disruption it caused to people around me.  Would you consider all Irish people to have "limited thought processes"?

(btw, in case anyone is wondering, I know Iranians are not Arab :)

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stilltryin259338 reads

I have had occasions to interact with middle easterners on their own turf.  Over time, before the interactions, I viewed all people from the regions that I interacted in to be essentially simple barbarians who would cut my throat at a moments notice simply because of who I was.  The reality is far more complex than I imagined.  As Carrie pointed out, most people from countries that have difficult relations with us often dislike the policies of their leadership, similar to how some people in Britain and the US disagree with the policies of Mr. Blair and Mr. Bush.
    The difficulty that civilized, moral people have is how to deal with killers in such a way that decent people, regardless of where they live, will view the result as the right outcome.

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stilltryin2510100 reads

Morally bankrupt killers like Bin Laden and those who think as he does.
    I do not know how the scurge of terrorism will be solved, but I do know that copying the tactics of killers will only play into their hands.
    Terrorists work to spread fear and intimidate to get their way.  They are not capable of human feeling or of discourse to peacefully resolve differences.  Killers like Bin Laden will have to be found and killed, but the work has to be done in a way that will not make them larger than life figures who will be viewed in an admiring fashion by future generations.  Herein is the paradox, people like Bin Laden wrap themselves in causes that average muslims can identify with, at least to some extent.  A way has to be found to deny Bin Laden and the wannabe bin ladens association with causes while they are sought out and destroyed.

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zinaval9195 reads

...than you demand.  However, they can't just put a fellow Moslems in prison to death.  Already their police force is untrustworthy (supplying al-quaida with uniforms).  If they execute fellow Moslems on the demand from the US, they'd face open popular rebellion.  

Make no mistake, I'm extremely disgusted by this act.  So who do we kill and who does the killing? (because apparently many people are moved to want revenge about this).  The people with a hand in committing it, of course would be the first ones to kill. Do we extend the guilt from there to all al-quaida?  That would be logical, I would agree.  Then do we extend it to all the friends and relatives of al-quaida members?  They will feel sympathy for those murderers, so obviously.  Do we extend that to the entire Saudi police force?  They apparently have sympathy for the cause.  To all Saudis perhaps?  Why not all Moslems finally, since they are fans of that awful book that puts these acts into people's minds?  

How about the people who get to perform all this killing?  Can we expect to bring them home after the experience and feel safer with the effect it has had on them?

There's no justice to be found in this course, and no revenge really, just a plague of misery that we have to contain and find the cure for, fast.  The drive for revenge has been distorted in this world for all of us, and especially for these people.  As much as I hate these guys, we need to stay cool and apply force strategically where it will diffuse this, and not plunge all of us into a mass insanity of seeking revenge we could never satisfy.  Seek the cure, not the disease.

Unfortunately, I do think the way to stop it would be to threaten to waste Mecca, and other sites.  Despite the fact that the Moslems have always been militaristic, they've never faced a world deprived of the physical heart of their religion.  

/Zin  

 

Related Link: http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=worldNews&storyID=5464528

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