...to its own citizens as North Korea, Saudi Arabia and a few other Islamic nations.  You claimed this brutality and ruthlessness is concealed in top secret and that we have skeletons.

Laffy wrongfully assumed you meant the U.S. had concentration camps as NK does.  All you've done is correctly deny saying the specific words "concentration camps."  But you still haven't answered the question - how is the U.S. as brutal to its citizens as NK, Saudi Arabia, et.al?  Come on, use your skeleton key and open your closet door to reveal the top secret skeletons.

Maybe in the 1800's with Sea Island Cotton. ....

But then he said most of which is just concealed in top secret so he can enlighten us.



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Did anyone forget how we "interned" Japanese citizens during WWII? We corralled them up like cattle and locked them in barbed wire. Of course we were a little humane and fed them.

How about the experiments that we have conducted on our own citizens. Take for instance the chemical spraying of a St Louis housing project.  There are unclassified documents that have substantiated this.

There were mustard gas experiments against our own soldiers and even VA hospital patients were used as guinea pigs.
How about the infecting Guatemalan's and black citizens in the South with syphilis so further studies on the progression of the disease can be studied.
We have sprayed entire towns with Zinc Cadmium sulfide and other chemicals.
How about the same type of testing and experiments on our prison population.

Lets not forget what we are doing abroad. Killing and torturing and yes we still experiment with other countries citizens.    

There are many more skeletons in our closet, and there are still many experiments that are current programs. If you want to see one, just look up in the sky every day for week a few times a day.

Even Laffy will have to admit that spraying our people with bug spray and injecting them with diseases and radioactive material ARE atrocities against mankind.

Here's one short link. Feel free to do some of your own research.  
 

perhaps top secret was not the appropriate phrase. Classified and of course declassified are more representative.

at our hands certainly is an equivalent. NK has killed far less and those they have killed have been political prisoners, not children and babies.

Did you ever notice that the MSM refers to NK's prisons as concentration camps. Yeah, lets try to shock everyone with that word.

NK continues to build their prisons, not lessen them by killing.

We have over 2 million in our prison system and the highest concentrate per capita in the world.

Again, we need to focus on our own house, not those of others.

Iraq is a nation of a little over 30 million, let's suppose for the moment that 15% are children, a rather generous assumption I might add, that would mean that there are 4.5 million children in Iraq

Are you really insinuating that WE killed over 20% of the entire underage population of Iraq??? give me a fucking break.

Please quit trying to fight fire with fire, or more accurately "stupid statements with even stupider statements" and more importantly don't come up with arguments so outrageous that I actually have to agree with bird brain.

and are "political prisoners" really more expendable than other human beings? Since when is standing up to an oppressive regime make a person worthy of being executed?  I really can't believe you said something so stupid. Please tell me you really didn't mean it when you excused the NK regime for the crime of mass murder by saying that they were ONLY political prisoners, as if that justifies murder?

As I said yesterday before bird brain interjected into our conversation, we don't have "slight disagreements" on this subject, we have major ones.

Daffy is still a steaming pile of subhuman puke, but don't think that means that you have free rein to use the same tactics of stretching the truth to well beyond it's breaking point. Not without being called out for it at least.

Wow! You just keep moving the target!

I believe you said: "We have been just as ruthless to our own over the years too." So your comment regarding Iraqi child, and the one above in quotes are as related as apples and oranges.  P.S. I'm still waiting for the references from the "scholers" from your readings, claiming Obama is the worst president ever. Once again you moved the target. I only referenced an opinion poll, and never claimed it was from a scholarly source; just a news magazine So, I'm still waiting for either, proving your point. If you need any help, I did find a business journal article that claimed he rated quite low on GNP growth. I'll share the source with you!    

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But they are not killing children.

No one is talking about population # of Iraq. 30 million is a current figure of those who are alive. Since we started the war in Iraq, many have died (not all in war), and many have been born.

The deaths accumulated over the course of time so a current population # is not even in the equation.

My final note of the subject of Iraq, but a link to further prove my point while also correcting my number estimate.

You are correct that I fell into the frenzy with the duckling, but it's hard to think clearly while LMAO.

On the human experiments and killing of our own people. Everyone seems to prefer to ignore that.

You don't have to be an idiot and tell me to find a bunch of liberal scholars who will say Obama is the worse president ever because they don't exist. You know that, so put up a challenge where it is impossible.
Everyone knows if a handful of liberal scholars rank him at 15 and you take away the brown nosing, political correctness, and racial aspect, he is at the bottom of the barrel. You don't need scholars, you need common sense.

Fat people can starve to death too.

"On the human experiments and killing of our own people," if you'd like to start a thread on it!

I didn't bring it up in the first place and it was not my link.  Sorry, but anyone who believes that Obama warrants a ranking of 15 IS a moron, but surely a bunch of liberal scholars will say so and they will have a following.

"Who are these alleged scholers?"

Did you read the comments under the poll? There were 360+ comments, and most of what I read were discounting the poll. Go ahead and read them for yourself.

You seem to like to twist my words just like your BFF, Daffy.

I guess I still like you better then the old days when you used to cry like a baby whenever someone called you bath matt .

That's why I quote you, and directly respond to your quotes! And, I'm still waiting for your scholars to support your contention that Obama is the worst president ever; not some opinions, many of which were based on misinformation, misperception, mischaracterization, and misrepresentation. Until you can address the issue with your own survey, whether of scholars or just the average Joe, and how you've come to assume that the scholars, in the survey, were heavily weighted toward being liberals, don't bother responding!  

but I know you have been capable of doing it (in the past).

I've never taken a stance on what he said so you are wrong again by creating another straw man argument.

So it is a very moot point in all of this whether or not I have a proper understanding of "just as".

At least now you have abandoned your first straw man argument by getting the verb tense correct. If you had correctly started with and kept with that argument then I would have never criticized you.

I’m having difficulty determining if your trouble stems from a lack of language skills or a lack of honesty.

My initial issue with you, multiplied over these several posts, was due to your argument based on misquoting Panthera12. You finally quoted him correctly (maybe it was an accident?) while simultaneously misquoting me.

Now you are turning to yet a third straw man argument, again directed at me. I expect there is no end of them with you.