Something does have to be done about HC costs, unfortunately nothing in Obamacare does anything to address spiraling costs, it simply shifts the burden. I realize that is popular with the masses who see it as "free health care", but those paying the bill see it for what it is.

I haven't spent more than a couple of grand on personal health care issues over the last three decades, but I still pay close to a hundred grand a year in premiums for my employees. So yes this effects me in the wallet big time.

yet those damn service stations keep raising the price of gasoline. That's unfair too, isn't it?

   The lesson is that your health care provider charges premiums based on the expected future cost of having that care available to you, if you need it. While we are delighted that you have not needed those services in the past, that is pretty much irrelevant to setting the price of future services for you.

    So there is nothing "unfair" about your premiums rising every year. And if they did shift to a business model where they looked at your past use solely to determine premiums, your premiums would still go up bc of the substantial cost of doing this for each individual customer.

I guess you will head the nippleguy grandma fund..

and if enough of you board liberals get together she will not have a want in the world. Hell, you can make her car payment too while you are at it.

BTW, you are not officially or unofficially playing arbiter around here for any side but your own back-side.

"Could you break down how someone who makes 1 million dollars pays $150,00 in payroll taxes?"

Depends on the accountant. I  made 322,000.00 last year, my Fed tax was 107,000.00
My accountant keeps telling me I need more deductions.
Damn I say! They are deducting enough already.