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salonpas 2720 reads

posted 12 years ago

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Republicans Who have Signed Up For Obamacare This Year Are Pretty Happy

By November the GOP will be claiming they wrote the law! LOL

Republicans who signed up for Obamacare this year are liking their new insurance coverage, according to a new survey.

A poll of Obamacare enrollees published Thursday by the Commonwealth Fund found that 74 percent of newly insured Republicans are happy with the plans they bought. Overall, 77 percent of people who had insurance prior to the rollout of the Affordable Care Act said they are pleased with the new coverage they obtained in the last year.

The survey revealed the current uninsured rate among working-age adults in the U.S. has dropped to 15 percent, down from 20 percent in July-September 2013 -- meaning an estimated 9.5 million people have gained coverage since then.

http://www.commonwealthfund.org/publications/issue-briefs/2014/jul/Health-Coverage-Access-ACA

JohnyComeAlready 467 reads

posted 12 years ago

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That does not prove the ACA a success.

That piece doesn't tell us anything other than people are satisfied, with a policy they chose to purchase.

You know your source just wants people to buy HI.

JackDunphy 443 reads

posted 12 years ago

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Please stop.

The Common Wealth Fund is a pro-universal HC coverage, Obamacare style group.

If you look at the RCP average of polls, Obummercare is FOURTEEEN points underwater. There isn't a single poll by a reputable pollster in the country showing it is popular. NOT ONE. NOT EVEN CLOSE.

The gap of for/against has widened against Barry SINCE all that "good" press about the reaching of their goals, ahem, of 7.1 million.

Any more propaganda for us or are you done for the day? lo

Hpygolky 234 Reviews 474 reads

posted 12 years ago

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I agree, the jury is still out but...

I say give it time. I don't know much about it and I feel most people don't much either but I'm willing to see what happens. This could blow up in Obama face 3-4 years from now and Clinton may have to scrap it. I'm saying let's see where this plays out.
Give it a chance, but from what I have seen on our policy, it doesn't seem like a bad thing....so far.
But doesn't it make you want to scratch your head why organization would spend over 400 million to fight it...humm

rutmotrum 33 Reviews 424 reads

posted 12 years ago

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Well, my deductible doubled and so did my premium...

And, with 60% coverage instead of 80% the prior year. Fuck Obamacare

marikod 1 Reviews 496 reads

posted 12 years ago

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So you accept all of your polls at face value but you dismiss

A poll showing the Aca is working as being fraudulent. H'mm.

Besides your polls don't even address whether republicans like their obamacare. H'mm.
Both sets of polls are meaningless anyway as I have pointed out to you but...h'mmm.

JackDunphy 578 reads

posted 12 years ago

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Why is it ok for Obama to spend a fortune to advertise/market it but an opposing group cant?...e

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JackDunphy 512 reads

posted 12 years ago

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Good to see you're not arguing the polls have crashed since the "goals" were met.

I have asked you a number of times why O-Care has gone down in approval since the law went into effect and you always dodge my question. Why?

You're an attorney. Make an argument.

JackDunphy 526 reads

posted 12 years ago

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So your point is that O-Care is great but the stupid fkin people just dont know it yet? lol

Take your Washington Post article as an example. The top one on the list is small business tax credits.

Willy, do you know what a business has to do to be eligible for those credits? They have to have an AVERAGE in house salary of UNDER $25,000.

Now, how many small businesses do you think have the average staff salary at $24,999 or less? lol.

Its a joke and a talking point. So Obama could read off his teleprompter that "And I included tax credits for small businesses in the ACA" and it turned out to be a keep your doctor, you'll save $2500 per family, etc etc etc canard.

You bought into "Mr. Community Organizer" bullshit Wonk, the American people have NOT, and by wide margins.

mattradd 40 Reviews 436 reads

posted 12 years ago

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Hmmm! I wonder why ACA or Obamacare is perceived in such a negative light?

Propaganda? And, plenty of it!

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NeedleDicktheBugFucker 22 Reviews 477 reads

posted 12 years ago

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how many democrats are running on the fact they shoved it thru?

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St. Croix 590 reads

posted 12 years ago

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And most of it could've been avoided

Think about Obamacare from concept to implementation. From Pelois saying we have to implement first then you can read it, to one of the worst program implementations I've ever seen in the public or private sector. Obama stepped on his dick a number of times, along with Sebelius being the most inept project leader I've ever seen. So a lot of this shit was self-inflicted.

When you design, develop and implement system, you think about how can do it with the least amount of effort, in the shortest period of time, and with no problems. Sounds pretty simple doesn't it.

At the end of the day what is the primary component, or should I say benefit to ACA. Subsidy Matt! OK, keeping kids on your parents plan, eliminating pre-existing conditions is important, but the subsidy is the key driver.

Did we really need the Federal and State exchanges to implement ACA? NO! At the end of the day, the subsidy is handled through a tax credit. This whole debacle could've been avoided by just allowing existing insurance companies, or 3rd party existing sites like ehealthinsurance. com to sell the various "metal" plans, and use their existing and proven back office systems, with some modifications of course, to validate and verify the applicants with the IRS data base.

Again, this is basically a TAX CREDIT program. But no, Obama and the Dems had to fuck it up.

Matt, Obama and the Dems are to blame for the negative press, They brought it on themselves. And you know what is really funny, most liberals don't really care about Obamacare. You guys want a single payer system, i.e. Medicare for all, or preferably Universal Health Care, similar to the U.K.

marikod 1 Reviews 554 reads

posted 12 years ago

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The exchanges serve far more purposes than handling the subsidies

Most notably, you can shop different plans on the exchanges and the plans in all four categories are quite different depending on insurer both as to premium cost, provider network, and out of pocket limits. That is why buying from the insurer directly is such a bad idea- it would take hours to comparison shop.

And it makes no sense to have the insured certify income to the insurer and for the insurer to pass this infor to fed gov to get the subsidy. Just creating a unnecessary middleman.

The exchanges now run like clock work. I can buy a policy on the exchange in a fraction of the item you could buy directly from many of the insurers who have crappy websites of their own.

I think you are way off o this one. Exchanges good.

JackDunphy 629 reads

posted 12 years ago

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Repeal? So Dems have gone from "the public will LOVE it" to the "R's cant repeal it?"

Ok, I guess. Seems like quite a ways down the expectation ladder, but if you insist.

And I really need to destroy this myth you and Mari keep throwing out there. The "they like the provisions in Obamacare" bullshit.

What you and Mari do every time is list ONLY those provisions from O-Care that are popular, CONVENIENTLY leaving OFF all the things that are UNPOPULAR.

You leave OFF the fact that many will lose/have lost their doctor.

You leave OFF the b.s. that the average family will save $2500.

You leave OFF the fact that they dont get to keep the plan they had and LIKED.

You leave OFF the fact that the premiums will/have skyrocketed.

You leave OFF the fact that many of the best hospitals and cancer treatment centers are not on many of the plans.

I dont know how you decide something is good or not Willy before you make a purchase, but the reality based community puts things on a scale and ways the good versus the bad.

When you buy a car, do you ONLY look at the color, the comfort of the seating, the gagdets, the design, etc or do you also look at the cost, the reliability of the vehicle and the trust factor you have with the salesman?

The American people have put Obamacare on a scale, considered all the good you mention and consider all the downside I mention....and guess what? They DONT like it.

All your whining and praying to Mother Earth wont change that fact. lol

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St. Croix 484 reads

posted 12 years ago

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To quote a line from SNL

Mari, you ignorant slut! Sometimes you like to argue for the sake of arguing.

The "METAL" plans are on both the exchanges and insurance websites. This difference is basically a little wording change for branding purposes, and of course the price on the insurance exchange is the full retail price. The only reason to go to the Fed or State exchanges is if you can get a subsidy. With respect to comparison shopping, that's why you have www.ehealthinsurance.com type sites.

Unnecessary middleman! So I guess spending $1B+ for the Fed exchange, and over $800M for the Calif State exchange, when a perfectly good distribution system already exists. Plus the Fed and State exchanges all have large call centers. Ah yes, the govt full employment act (lol). The insurance and 3rd party systems are simple, intuitive, and easy for and customer. Think of sites like Priceline, Travelocity, Orbitz! Think of outsourcing!

You know what's funny mari, this administration used technology to get elected. They did a pretty good job. They must of had a collective lobotomy, because they resorted to a large scale, costly, fucked up implementation that cost billions.

My main point, which you failed to grasp, was the negative press could have been reduced by 90% if the administration had just thought this through. Here is one small relevant example. There is a lawsuit that is pending about the legality of subsidies on insurance plans bought through the FEDERAL exchanges. Just the Federal exchange, not the State, because of the way ACA was written. Could've been avoided.

By the way, did you buy St. Croix's book and DVD on how rich people can profit from Obamacare?

Exchanges bad!!!!

P.S. I'll make your weekend though. Good call on FCX

Posted By: marikod

Most notably, you can shop different plans on the exchanges and the plans in all four categories are quite different depending on insurer both as to premium cost, provider network, and out of pocket limits. That is why buying from the insurer directly is such a bad idea- it would take hours to comparison shop.

And it makes no sense to have the insured certify income to the insurer and for the insurer to pass this infor to fed gov to get the subsidy. Just creating a unnecessary middleman.

The exchanges now run like clock work. I can buy a policy on the exchange in a fraction of the item you could buy directly from many of the insurers who have crappy websites of their own.

I think you are way off o this one. Exchanges good.

marikod 1 Reviews 467 reads

posted 12 years ago

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Willy 1, Jack 0 eom.

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JackDunphy 490 reads

posted 12 years ago

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Wrong, Mari. Exchanges are LIMITING choice, not expanding it.

Many IC's bailed out of coming onto the exchanges due to its regulations. Two states have ZERO competition. Some states just have 2 or 3 choices.

The best way to have done this would have been to use a "SelectQuote.com" type method where there would have been hundreds of IC's competing with each other across the whole country.

A feature that R's wanted badly but Obama Inc didn't give a shit about what was best.

Select Quote takes 5-10 minutes Mari not hours. Look into it.

hound88 49 Reviews 430 reads

posted 12 years ago

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Remember, right wingers believe in fact free zones!

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marikod 1 Reviews 450 reads

posted 12 years ago

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Fewer choices, higher premiums-the St Croix way?

Every comparison I have seen finds eheath and the other on line brokers -(no, not select quote jack ) has fewer choices and higher premiums than plans offerd on the fed exchange. The brokers are paid by commission and feature the insurers who pay the highest commissions. The exchanges are commission free.

Plus some states do not allow using e brokers if you claim a subsidy. So all that would have to fixed before a private market would be competitive.

And you can still buy on the brokers if you don't claim a subsidy.

I would argue the slut comment too but since I am down in sandiego doing an inside investigation of that coded stock tip I told you about last fall, that would be wrong.

Dr. Copper over and out-or maybe we should make that "in"

JackDunphy 397 reads

posted 12 years ago

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I hate soccer! lol. Couldnt you have made it 0-0 and I lost on pk's? lol

I'll have to take it up with you later. Going to Europe in about 2 hours and I wont be checking back here with you lib bastids for over a week!

A little vacay for and from JD is a good thing!

Tell BP to play nice when I am gone.

Have a great weekend guys!

You too Mari! lol

Hpygolky 234 Reviews 330 reads

posted 12 years ago

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I could be wrong.......

But I think only about 27 million has been spent to promote it. But look into it as this number is something that I came across when I saw that 400 million was spend to oppose it vs. what was spent to promote it.

Hpygolky 234 Reviews 471 reads

posted 12 years ago

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Hey Homes,something is muy malo with your policy

or your insurance company. I'd check it out. Hey bro let's talk about hookers....lol

anonymousfun 6 Reviews 303 reads

posted 12 years ago

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Nothing will ever a success for you

You have no comprehension so you shoot blanks one of after another.

anonymousfun 6 Reviews 447 reads

posted 12 years ago

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You got it right idiot

Bat Shit crazies Repukes like you do not understand what is good for you or the country. All crazies do you regurgitate what another stupid fuck says making a stupider fuck.

NeedleDicktheBugFucker 22 Reviews 415 reads

posted 12 years ago

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Don't you have a Korean grocery store to burn and loot somewhere ?

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hound88 49 Reviews 452 reads

posted 12 years ago

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Spoken like ..

A loser who wraps himself in the consitution but does not know how at least one branch functions. On yea, its Obama's fault right?
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