The United States of America became the greatest nation on earth by being a capitalist society. Why is that some people want to turn left to be more like a socialist country?

Two basic reasons. One, even though the libbies decry material goods, they turn green with envy when they see that others have worked hard and enjoy some of the fruits of their labor. Their response is, "we are too lazy to work, we are to lazy and chicken to steal it, lets get the government to steal it for us." Two, libbies love power, "we can't run our own miserable failing lives so lets run the lives of others. It is justified because we are intellectually superior and so completely pure." Libbies, the lowest form of life.

Libbie "leaders" love power. Many if not most actual libbies don't crave power, quite to the contrary, the sheep that blindly follow the libbie leadership want nothing more than for government to take care of them. Some are too lazy, some just too stupid, the one thing they have in common is their desire to have government take care of all their needs, at the expense of the actual productive people of this country

You are correct. Most who believe in the destruction of individual liberty do so because they just want someone else to make decisions for them, it is just easier. The libbies that are sheep herders welcome this attitude of the sheep because the herders believe that they have an inherent right, if not a duty, to micromanage the lives of others. Thanks for your help.

Why are they hiding from this question? I would love to hear responses from the left.  This question should be posted every day so it stays on the first page.

Of course the liberals will point out the flaws of capitalism and how bad it is.  So if capitalism is so bad, why are we still such a great country?

But, libs will say we are not a great country, this is in keeping with their anti-American stance.  See?....libs have an answer for everything.

When we are strong the libs say we are evil capitalists, whenever we show the slightest bit of weakness they say that it's because of the free market that we are weak.

Apparantly this makes sense to the libbies, as you say the libs have an answer to everything.

that you don't realize the question is stupid.  You have set up a strawman, and are busy beating it up.

"Capitalism" isn't really an ideology, except as far as underemployed cons think it is.  It's really just  going with the flow, doing what comes naturally.

"Socialism" can mean any number of things, and especially since cons have started calling paying for roads in the next county over as "socialism".

Big concepts are way beyond most of you folks.  Why don't you limit yourself to the economics of that particular road?

The question isn't on the front page because we're tired of watching you beat your meat.

the operator of the crystal ball, the one who, in the finest libbie-pink tradition, likes to call anytoone he disagrees with (most people apparently)"fucking stupid". "Underemployed cons"? Does that mean any hard working conservative who isn't working at least 16 hour days to pay his own way and for the existence of dead beat libbie-pinks?

Or at least what you guys are describing are not liberals, they're something else.  Some of the looney left call themselves "progressives".  Nobody uses the term "commies" anymore, but that's what you guys mean don't you?  

George Bush II's administration has presided over and pushed past the dems the widest invasions of privacy without secondary review of any administration in my 50+ years, and the Repubs and independent cons think nothing of it.  

Some of us believe that government does have a legitimate function in controlling excesses of complete free market capitalism.  I'll wear a liberal label if I can resist your description of the term.  I do believe that market capitalism is the greatest engine for progress in human affairs and comfort.  But people are greedy, exploitive and cruel (it's part of our nature) and need to be  limited in what they can do.  Otherwise we would be back to having 10 year olds working in factories again.  

Certainly excessive regulation and taxation can kill the goose which lays the golden eggs and Hillary Clinton (more than the hated Bill) and Obama are too hostile to business for my tastes.

I suppose I'm an odd duck in that I am "liberal" on social issues -- abortion, search and seizure, legal alcohol for 18 year olds, freedom of speech in political campaigns (yuck to McCain/Feingold), decriminalization of prostitution and most drugs now considered illegal-- and moderately conservative on economic issues (mostly that we as a government are spending more than we can afford and that private industry drives economic growth).

So, tell me oh wise cons, is "No Child Left Behind" a liberal or a conservative program?  Is the Patriot Act and its warrantless searches and wiretaps liberal or conservative?  Is the proliferation of cameras to watch our every move on the street and our speed in our cars a conservative or liberal development?  

A few Repub conventions ago a keynote speaker got up and said, "Al Gore said the watchword of the Democratic Party was the 'environment'.  I say the watchword of the Republican Party is 'liberty'."  What happened to THAT Republican Party?

who can't read or comprehend.  That's the reason you're a con.

You are correct about the liberty situation. It has taken an enormous hit from both political parties. The focus has been what is easy for the government and not what is good for the people. The government generally treats the people as their enemy. It is "us against them" attitude.  Government needs some serious pruning so that it gets back to being "for, of and by the people", not the people being merely serfs, chattels of the government, a vote to be bought and a source of taxes.

I am probably considered a righty by most of the libs that post here, but I agree with virtually every you have just said.

The religious right scare the shit out of me, but when given the choice between overt socialists and the republican alternative, I can hold my nose and vote for McCain.

On both sides they're pretty scary.  I was a big supporter of feminists in the 60's and 70's when the agenda was equal opportunity for women.  What mainstream feminism is now is quite a different thing.  I post occasionally on feministing.com and some of those gals (heh) are crazy.  

A couple of years ago somebody asked me if there was a prominent Republican I thought I could vote for and I said McCain.  I may be put to the test.  For me the biggest negatives he brings are his position on abortion and the right wingnuts he may bring with him.  

But Hillary and Barack have their significant negatives for me, too, not the least of which are the left wingnuts they will bring with them.  

I voted for GB II the first go round in the mistaken belief that his politics were like his dad's and because I couldn't get all warm and fuzzy over Al.  

With all the factors considered I might be tipped for Obama so I won't gag when he speaks.  My politics might be closest to Hillary's but when she speaks I know there is not a breath of sincerety in her.

the people (Cabinet & other appointees) that will be swept in with any particular candidate.

(It's deluded to think that a politician shouldn't/won't change his mind when a situation changes, or that s/he is "promising" anything, or that a promise could be enforced anyway - and it's equally useless to try to judge how a person's character might affect the nation.)

McCain will inherit a lot of the existing Republican machinery, and he's shown he's perfectly willing to modify his POV to get ahead in the GOP machine, even where he looks foolish.  WTF is this "hundred years in Iraq" shit, anyway?   That seems less delusional than his statement that everything was perfectly normal in Baghdad.  

IMHO, the best chance for neutering the largest number of politicians in DC for the longest period of time is to elect Obama.   Then we can toss his ass out in 4 years, and try again.

Fuck principle - principle accomplishes nothing.  Messing up the machine is the practical libertarian's  solution, and the machine we have there now needs to be shitcanned, razed and burnt.

I am liberal in regards to abortion rights, legalizing certain drugs -- God bless the doctors who gave me pot for awhile while I had cancer -- freedom of speech and allowing men or women who serve in war to drink at 18. However, I am more conservative on spending and economics in general.

Hugs,
Ciara

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