Mocking our Allies, embracing our enemies, undermining our military and emboldening our enemies!

Yesterday Kerry all but called Prime Minister Allawi of Iraq a liar yesterday.  A man fighting for the sovereignty of his country, who is the daily target of radical Islamic terrorists.  It seems that Kerry only embraces those leaders of the world who are against us.  This is something he has practice at, as the war in Vietnam was raging, Kerry met with the North Vietnamese in Paris.  As he was yesterday, in Paris he was attempting to undermine the people of Vietnam's fight for Liberty, now he mocks PM Allawi for the same thing!

As he did in 1971 he does today in attempting to undermine our courageous men and women fighting overseas.  Encouraging our enemies with insistent comments about pulling our troops within months of his winning the election.  

His constant defeatist comments can do nothing but embolden the enemy.  His defeatism proves his lack of backbone, integrity and leadership.  

Many are hesitant to challenge Kerry's patriotism, whether this is proof of his lack of patriotism or further proof that he is a moron is not the issue.  It is proof that he is incapable of being President, leader of the free world and would be a disaster as Commander in Chief!

Oh, me...how dare he question something to do with Iraq.  

"Mocking our Allies, embracing our enemies, undermining our military and emboldening our enemies!"

I think Kerry might be planting bombs by Iraqi roadsides as well.

And Dubya actually had the nerve to talk about "undercutting allies"?

YEAH I know your alias is bribite, but mine interpretation of your name is about as accurate as your interpretation of the things Kerry has said or done. so neneer neneer neneer ...

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Gee, General Westmoreland- we sure do have them commeenests on the run don't we?

I think that an American politician is allowed to differ with the admininstration line on any subject.  And calling Mr. Allawi, an un-elected PM, basically hand picked by the US, on some of his more panglossian statements hardly qualifies as Treason.  Right now, he is essentially a puppet.  And pointing out whose hand is up his ass and whose voice is coming out of his mouth is not treason either.

I like Mr. Allawi, and right now I think he is doing OK.  But he is no Nasser or Ben Gurion, just to compare him to some other regional leaders, on the populist front as a leader.  He may get there, but right now he is caught trying to be a real national leader while clearly riding american coattails.  Not an easy task, but it is his cross to bear.

No body can undermine our occupation army as much as the lies and incompetance that put them there, alone and understaffed, to accomplish a task that we all knew they are not designed for.

And pointing out the wrong headedness of a policy is not defeatism.  Even saying wwe ought to leave right away is not defeatism.  He never says we ought to cut and run, he says he will fight the same enemy a different way.  And he is totally entitled to do so, as he is running for the post that will decide such issues.

As in 1971, our "courageous men and women overseas" have foolishly been put in a situation for which they are not designed and ill adapted.  They are once again in the position of having only equal or less moral leverage than their opponents, and having a large part of the world opinion against them.  As in 1971, Mr. Kerry is a voice pointing out that the Emperor has no clothes.

Your lack of familiarity with the workings of a Democracy is really quite interesting.  In the system we have, there issues can be discussed openly, and dissent is considered a good thing.  The system you seem to prefer is called authoritarianism, and one tends to be at the mercy of what side you are on in that one.  Most of us here would probably choose Democracy, but you are welcome to seek out other forms of government is you want.

And we both know that if Kerry were president and had somehow blundered into an analogous war (hard to imagine as he actually is quite smart, unlike the rutabega you champion for the post), you would be first in line calling for not only his ouster, but probably some kind of corporal punishment as well!  So it is hard to look on your faux indignity with anything but the same derision one holds for "reality" programming.  nice try BriDim, but no cigar.  Somebody has to call you on your slimier posts, and today it happens to be me.

PS:"People of Vietnams fight for Liberty"- that is just so rich.  Fight for Madam Ky's swiss bank accounts more likely!  I know a lot of good people in Vietnam lost lives and property in the war, but the intense corruption of south Vietnam was possibly the prime reason we lost the real peons of the country's "hearts and minds", so easily in that war.  For every ARVN really fighting for liberty, there were at least 20 looking for the next scam, as US expense if possible.  And of course thousands who told you one thing in the daylight and worked for their true NVA/VC interests at dusk!

nice try tho'-get a bigger shovel next time.

He went on vacation!

I think the American people will drum him into oblivion on Nov 2nd.  Ten states tops, maybe 9, New York is not even safe for Kerry.

Kerry attacking Bush is one thing, but his attack on Allawi is nothing short of pure cowardice, and this from the guy who claims he wants to build bridges.  Allawi was appointed by the US, what in the fuck is the crime in that?  He will most likely win the free election in January and then what, Kerry would consider him a Bush plant and ignore him?  While he is sucking Chirac's dick in Paris?  He is the same in 2004 as he was in 1971, a lying sack of filth.

As for your asinine "And of course thousands who told you one thing in the daylight and worked for their true NVA/VC interests at dusk!" rant, would those be the same "thousands/millons" that Ho Chi Minh murdered after the fall of Saigon?  Or the thousands who perished floating in sinking boats in the South China Sea attempting to flea Ho Chi Minh?  Or the thousands who actually did escape to the US, Canada and Europe?  Sully you don't know shit about Vietnam or the Vietnamese people!

Kerry is a political coward.  Your support for this loser reveals volumes about your current financial situation.  Instead of getting busy, you set back and blame Bush, instead of seeing what is perfectly clear that fighting and defeating Islamic terrorists now will save us the larger problem later, you want to hide with Kerry.

I wonder if this country could have won World War II with people like you and Kerry!  Iwo Jima alone we lost 7,000 souls and took 36,000 casualties in just 9 days.   It would seem to me that Kerry and his lackeys would all have been under their beds waving white flags blowing snot bubbles!

The American people will reject Kerry and all that he stands for on November 2nd!  You might take that as a personal rejection to your thinking (or lack of) as well.

WWII?  A horse of a different colour my friend.  A war in which I lost 3/4 of my family.  A major war.  Not a minor colonial war that we blew out of proportion by involving outselves in.

there is no comparison.

Now to VietNam.  Thousands of people that the US relied on were in fact VC operatives.  Fact.

Yes, there were thousands killed.  This was civil war.  Ours is about the only one on record where wholesale executions did not take place.  And yes, the communists were an authoritarionist group of scum.  Or many of them were.  But many like in the Red Army (Not the NKVD/KGB) were just patriots who thought we were a bigger threat than someone who spoke his language and looked like him.
TBC

Top Bush Officials Clash Over Iraq Election :
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Fri Sep 24, 2004 06:08 PM ET
By Vicki Allen

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Iraq's elections should be nationwide, a top Bush administration official said on Friday, clashing publicly with Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld's suggestion that voting might not take place in the most violent areas.

Deputy Secretary of State Richard Armitage said the elections scheduled for January will not be perfect, but they should encompass the entire country.

Rumsfeld also appeared to back away from his outspoken remarks on Thursday that while the elections will take place on time, they might not be held in places where security could not be guaranteed.

"Every Iraqi deserves the right to vote," Rumsfeld said on Friday. "We and the government of Iraq intend to see that the elections are held, intend to see that they're held on time, and to do everything possible to see that that happens, and to see that every Iraqi has the right to vote."

"I think we're going to have an election that is free and open, and that has to be open to all citizens," Armitage told a House of Representatives committee. "We've got to do our best efforts to get in troubled areas. ... I think we're going to have these elections in all parts of the country," he said.

Rumsfeld also said Washington would not wait until Iraq "is peaceful and perfect" before beginning to withdraw U.S. troops "because it's never been peaceful and perfect and it isn't likely to be."   (OH REALLY ???)

But he gave no timetable for the withdrawal, a topic administration officials have avoided as President Bush has vowed to "stay the course" in the conflict that has taken center stage in his election battle with Democratic challenger Sen. John Kerry.

Another senior defense official, who asked not to be identified, said the number of U.S. troops in Iraq likely will rise slightly in December and January as fresh units are sent to relieve soldiers winding up their current year of duty.
(also, OH REALLY ???)

As Bush and Iraqi interim Prime Minister Iyad Allawi in politically charged events this week touted progress since Saddam Hussein's ouster, U.S. lawmakers sought answers on how elections could be held amid the worsening insurgency and how long U.S. troops will remain.

NO CHANGES
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Rumsfeld raised the possibility of partial elections on Thursday, just hours after Allawi and Bush, together at the White House, insisted national elections would be held on schedule in January.

"If there were to be an area where the extremists focused during the election period, and an election was not possible in that area at that time, so be it. You have the rest of the election and you go on," Rumsfeld told the Senate Armed Services Committee.

Asked about Rumsfeld's comments, Armitage said he knew of no plans to hold partial elections that exclude violent areas.

"I know of no changes and no plans. We're pushing ahead, fully supporting the Iraqi people, and the United Nations and the Iraqi electoral commission to have nationwide elections for a 275 person national assembly before the end of January," he told reporters after a House Appropriations subcommittee hearing.

Rep. Nita Lowey, a New York Democrat, was skeptical that could happen. She said most of the basics such as voting equipment, voter lists, and the process for getting names on ballots were not in place.

Armitage said election preparations were progressing, and said "we're beginning to get some traction" with other countries to send troops to help protect U.N. personnel working on the election.

He said Georgia was showing interest as were other countries that did not want to be named at this point.

( So if BUSHIE basically changes and adopts the things Kerry has said to do from the on set do you give KERRY credit ???? )

Can anyone imagine what this world would look like if the U.S. hadn't stepped into the messes all these foreign countries & people had created in the last 100 years?  WWI, WWII, Marshall Plan, Japanese Reconstruction, Korean War, Vietnam (bad example), the Balkans, South Africa, India/Pakistan, and all the humanitarian aid for disaster relief (Yes...even to Iran for an earthquake just recently while we had troops in Iraq were diverted for Iran's benefit).

Sully...You need to brush up on your history and facts.  

You say "A horse of a different colour my friend.  A war in which I lost 3/4 of my family. A major war.  Not a minor colonial war that we blew out of proportion by involving outselves in. there is no comparison."  

You'll lose the other 1/4 of your family if you don't start using your brain.  Are you aware these terrorists of capable and are probably planning ways right now to murder inmass innocent people in our country and other non-Muslim countries with conventional, chemical, biological or nuclear weapons.  Even non-Christian Thailand is having trouble with Muslim terrorists.  

This is not by any means a minor colonial war that has simple answers.  If so, why hasn't that simpleton Kerry proposed a simple answer. This war is global you fool.  Ask Israel, Spain, Britain, Indonesia, The Philippines, Australia, Italy, Turkey, Egypt, Russia or any other number of countries that have had terrorist bombings inside their borders and citizens snatched off the streets & beheaded by ruthless barbarians.  


FACT....WMD's were found in Iraq, but not in huge stockpiles.  More can still easily be hidden or have been moved to Syria or Iran (or anywhere else on earth), and/or could have been sold on the blackmarket to terror organizations.  Can you provide me any proof to the contrary that this isn't the case?  

FACT...We just don't know if Iraq has already sold or given away WMD's to terror organizations or rogue nations.  I will stick by my own government any day before Saddam.  Can you provide me any proof to the contrary that this isn't the case?

FACT...Iraqi chemical viles are not that big, can be easily concealed, and may already be in the hands of these gutless terrorists.  Can you provide me any proof to the contrary that this isn't the case?

FACT... WMD finds were made after 11+ years of UN referendums and attempted inspections.  Can you provide me any proof to the contrary that this isn't the case?

FACT...Saddam had the capability to restart these programs easily just as the Iranians are now doing.  Can you provide me any proof to the contrary that this wasn't the case?

FACT...Saddam also harbored known convicted murders and terrorists.  Ask the Italians, the Klinghoffer family and the terrorized vacationers on the Achille Laurel.  Can you deny this statement of fact?

FACT...Saddam financially supported suicide bombers in Israel & Palestine.  Can you deny this statement of fact?


FACT...Saddam (like Hitler) slaughtered thousands of Iraqis and buried them in mass graves.  Can you deny this statement of fact?

FACT...Bill Clinton sent troops to Serbia to save the lives of thousands Muslims but not a peep from Demos then.  Can you deny this statement of fact?

Personally, I backed my President then and I back my President now.

bribite...You have hit the nail on the head.  Kerry is going down just like Dukais did.  I don't think he will win 10 states either especially now that the word is out he met w/ the N.Vietnamese.  Although there are a lot of problems with Bush & his gang, Kerry & his cronies would be a total disaster if elected & I'm positive the majority of Americans know it.

And what is even more humorous, even the Democrats aware that Kerry is running the worst campaign ever when it comes to Presidential politics & yet they continue this disasterous strategy.

It is just incredible that Kerry is trying to make Vietnam & the National Guard the centerpiece of his campaign.  Everyday that goes by I am more convinced Kerry has got to be one of the dumbest shits around.  If he's this dumb about running a campaign, I'd hate to see how he could run a war or our country.



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Or are you an insider on the Republican plan to steal elections in fifteen states?  

So, the American People are going to vote for Bush en masse over disputing the questionable words of our ally, whose name unfortunately, most can't remember or pronounce.

BTW, if I were Allawi, I'd be saying exactly the same things, just to keep my government intact.  But this isn't Iraq, this is the US.  For our election, we have to consider the facts.  

BTW, whose administration questioned our previous Big Man in Iraq?  Old, Chalabi, the Iranian spy?  I know, that was  a Republican doing it, so it had to be true.  

Maybe you conservatives shouldn't waste so much time trying to relive WW2?  Does it occur to you that the consensus of the country was quite unique as wars go?  No war we have fought before or since has had that degree of consensus and focus.  Including the Revolutionary War, I will add.  

And, of course, no war we fought since even had even the consensus for Congress to declare war!  What does that tell you, Blue-Brite?  

It's unfortunate that conservatives, and to a large degree, the country has assumed that every military action allows it to assume consensus and call dissenters traitors for factional gain.  It's a game that should be halted.  

/Zin

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The fact is we really don't know how many, but we do know that at least over 2,000,000 by Ho Chi Minh and another 2,000,000 plus by Pol Pot!  Stating 1,000's is an insult to their memory, I knew quite a few of them and they were people wanting for themselves and their families the same things Americans want.  Those were innocent people, not combatants!

It might have been a civil war, but the North was completely funded by the Soviet Union and Red China, kind of tilting the war in the North's favor, especially when we cut and ran!

BTW, do to the sheer numbers of American war dead in WWII, we were all affected greatly.  If you lost 3/4 of your family, and your acknowledgment of your Jewish faith, I assume that many were lost in Europe in death camps.  If that is true, I would be surprised at your attitude towards the people of Iraq and their situation under Saddam.

PS: Kudos to CallmeCrazy!